Cali -- I'm sorry. I meant to warn you. You have a target on your back.

[magical thyme]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by etherealtruth (a host of the General Discussion forum).

They deliberately provoke with the intention of keeping you off DU.

[upaloopa]

1. From September really?

I thought you were going to get yourselves a mole.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

48. Yes. Do you have the attention span of a gerbil?

[upaloopa]

75. I was reading how you all know everything going

on at the other site I thought you had a mole or were working on getting one

[hifiguy]

2. Why are those assholes still here?

That should be grounds for their immediate PPR - they admit they are targeting DUers.

And yes cali, beware.

Thanks to you and bmus for screencapping this zoo filth so it doesn't disappear down the memory hole or get denied with pious lies.

[opiate69]

4. Too late....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152034

[hifiguy]

7. Jebus christ on a trailer hitch.

[Buzz Clik]

43. ..

[hifiguy]

49. Someone had to do it!

I was just too lazy.

[Blue_In_AK]

11. Wow, I was glad to see her back.

I don't know what to say. Has anyone looked at the post that got her the last hide? This is utterly ridiculous.

"bwahaha. Even if Bernie got Grayson's endorsement

that would give him a grand total of 3.

One more time: I have never had even the slightest expectation that Bernie would win the nomination. I'm surprised and delighted that he's done as well as he has. I think he has had an impact and that he'll be more influential in the Senate.

Not only do you have a critical thinking deficit, but your mind reading abilities really suck. I do find you amusing however."


Really? This gets a 5-1 hide? I see much worse here on a daily basis.

[hifiguy]

15. I was too.

She's a longtime favorite of mine.

Speaking truth is no longer allowed, apparently.

[villager]

31. That'd be too "undergroundy" for a center-right mainstream site like this one

n/t

[daleanime]

36. Amen....

[saturnsring]

47. the truth itself didnt do it it was the way cali said it - she got frustrated and resorted to a

personal attack

earlier today she said "Nah. He's always been a repulsive piece of shit." that got hidden as well

[Omaha Steve]

82. Hillary people gave Grayson an immediate bump in fund raising today on the DU

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforgrayson

Before the news he had $120.00

After the news and I posted the link it went to $120. That is some thank you.

[Agschmid]

95. This is a pretty clear PA...

Not only do you have a critical thinking deficit,

It would be nice if we could just do without the name calling once in a while.

[tkmorris]

3. Such lovely folks, aren't they?

Edited to add:

Bless their little hearts.

[hifiguy]

5. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire

six steps outside my door.

[pintobean]

44. Jury results

On Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7359427

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Cali could have avoided hides...she has made some pretty inflammatory stuff, but to resond with this? OTT

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:08 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's about people on another site, Totally fair game. You want to trash DU and stalk DUers from another site, expect more of this. It's very mild compared to what is deserved.

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't have any idea why this was alerted. This is a fairly common phrase and isn't vulgar or over the top IMO.

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[hifiguy]

53. So one little crybully gets a 24-hour timeout from the alert button!

[MNBrewer]

57. I was just about to post this, myself

Unanimous verdict.

[beevul]

46. Jury results.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message



On Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7359427

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Cali could have avoided hides...she has made some pretty inflammatory stuff, but to resond with this? OTT

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:08 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's about people on another site, Totally fair game. You want to trash DU and stalk DUers from another site, expect more of this. It's very mild compared to what is deserved.

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't have any idea why this was alerted. This is a fairly common phrase and isn't vulgar or over the top IMO.

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury sys

[peacebird]

6. Why are Clinton supporters allowed to get away with this type of planned attack against DUers?

[hifiguy]

8. Some animals are (much) more equal than others.

That much is blindingly obvious.

[peacebird]

13. Ok, i have given my LAST ever donation to DU.

[hobbit709]

18. some people get repeated time outs and flagged for reviews and nothing happens.

Some even get flagged for review after being on time out for sending nasty PMs and nothing is done.

and some post one thing that the outrage brigade has a fit about and they get banned.

[hifiguy]

23. Oneof the charter members of the sewer site

was once found to be engaging in open sock-puppetry. Zorra has posted the links here on DU.

For anyone else, that's an automatic tombstone. That person was allowed to remain with no explanation given.

I received some nasty PMs from that crowd a few years back. Didn't bother reporting because I know they are special pets and nothing would ever be done about it. So I just left DU for a year.

[pintobean]

64. This what you're talking about?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=302058&sub=trans

(This link is to a transparency page provided by admin for any logged in DU member to view)

[hifiguy]

72. . . . .

[villager]

33. You can bet the "farm" on that

n/t

[hifiguy]

40. "UNMUTUAL! UNMUTUAL!!"

[librechik]

9. what happens when you get a fifth hide?

[B Calm]

14. LOL

You made me check to see how many hides.

[magical thyme]

16. you get a "time out" and can't post for 90 days from your 1st hide

Hides drop off after 90 days. 4 hides, and you can post. 5th hide and you are timed out.

[librechik]

25. whoo, thx gonna have to practice being banal and non threatening.

not easy for a wild child like me...

[hifiguy]

32. The very act of questioning or disagreement

is threatening to many. Especially if you provide links to back up your points.

[Darb]

10. Holy shit, the pot and the kettle are gonna get married.

This is getting ridiculous.

[tkmorris]

22. That is the weakest defense I have ever heard

Whatever gets you through the night though.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Jesus effin christ

Some people need new hobbies.

[PotatoChip]

17. It's because of this crap that I rarely come to DU anymore.

And when I do, I almost never go into GD-P now. It's become unbearable.

[magical thyme]

19. I trashed GD-P a couple weeks ago

but I still end up in there occasionally, when I see something on the homepage and forget.

My next step will be to make myself a link directly to the lounge, or some other non-toxic, low stress place to hang out.

[PotatoChip]

24. I'll probably be doing that too.

It's not worth the stress.

[ScreamingMeemie]

52. The only time I ever end up in there is idiotic jury calls.

[PotatoChip]

92. I recently opted out of jury duty because

I'm having a hard time being as objective as I should be.

All of that nastiness and rancor has caused me to view some members very differently. Members who I used to admire and respect.

[ScreamingMeemie]

96. You aren't alone.

And I find it from both sides of the candidate fence, so it isn't an issue of "supporting" one candidate because what they are doing isn't support.

Last week, when an innocuous post I made was alerted on (and received a 0-7 leave thank goodness), I realized there is more than a little truth to what so many people claim.

[hifiguy]

26. Same here. LBN, GD, Lounge and Bernie Group

are the only places I go any more. The gunners are deployed very thickly in GD: P.

[librechik]

30. i'm with you guys.

I used to look forward to the yellow flag. Now I dread reading my replies.

[daleanime]

41. +1

[Ed Suspicious]

91. yes.

[panader0]

20. She got a hide today that was ridiculous.

And I agree that those "DUers" should be banned for plotting against her.
They fear her.

[peacebird]

21. I am likely going to be tombstoned for this but here it goes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027359472

[Agschmid]

100. Why would you be PPR'd for that?

[peacebird]

104. It just got locked for the sin of complaining about practices on the site.

[MisterP]

27. alert results

This is "disruptive meta" if I've ever seen it. Childish rehashing of old material from some off-site group. Dire "warnings" about "target on your back." All people have to do is behave civilly and they'll have no problems. This kind of shit makes DU suck.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:57 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alert kind of confirms the problem. There's literally nothing in the OP that warrants an alert. It's a claim, with sourced documentation. Done. Of all the nebulous and phantom 'alert stalking' claims around here that Skinner continually states isn't actually a problem, the OP has actually highlighted one that is both real, and can be proven.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ojo.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: so what the alerter is saying, that we should find HCS's plotting from THIS month
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Why the need to make such a show of this in front of everyone on DU? Why not just send Cali a PM if you are that worried? I agree with the alerter. This kind of childish bullshit makes DU suck. Grow up!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sigh. I was hoping the Bernie brigade would implode with more class but then I've always been a dreamer . . .

[hifiguy]

37. i would strongly suggest that #7 relocate to

a more hive-mind site.

[Buzz Clik]

50. Agreed.

Wishing for civil behavior deserves nothing less than being banished to a hive.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. I would suggest that a couple of those jurors be alerted on for their idiotic comments.

This is ridiculous.

[tishaLA]

73. I was thinking the same, but how does one alert on jurors?

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. If you were the alerter or one of the jury members, you can alert on the DU mail

at the bottom.

[tishaLA]

79. ah, thanks. I'd never noticed that before when I've served

[840high]

84. Yes.

[Ghost Dog]

67. Happy to have been invited.

No. 4.

[G_j]

28. K&R

shameful!

[Jesus Malverde]

29. Sad...nt

[Scuba]

34. This is unacceptable. The members involved should be given lengthy timeouts or be banned.

[Buzz Clik]

51. You'd need to flush two toilets, Scuba...

... It's happening on both sides.

[ScreamingMeemie]

59. Link please...? for that other toilet?

I'm sorry, but "sides" and candidates aside, there's a group of successful trolls on this site.

[Buzz Clik]

80. Yeah, I concede.

Only the Hillary crew are pulling this shit.

Not ONE single Bernie fan would pull that stunt in a million years. Pure as the driven snow.

Thanks for correcting me.

[ScreamingMeemie]

87. Link please? And, for the record, you will find me speaking about neither candidate on this site

because 90 percent of the vocal DUers for both are annoying. You won't find me in either group or the cesspool that is GD: P. So, link...please... Thank you.

[Buzz Clik]

94. What exactly are you DEMANDING?

Please clarify.

[ScreamingMeemie]

98. You mentioned two toilets. What's the other toilet?

Thanks. (but you knew that)

[bunnies]

38. The fucking swarm got her already?!

Wow. Doesnt get much lower than that.

[Buzz Clik]

54. Well, now, she insulted the snot out of one of her antagonists.

Granted, the jury system sucks, but we all know how it works.

[marym625]

39. Damn, are these people in Jr high?

How juvenile.

[hifiguy]

42. Grade school.

Mean, petty little crybullies with FAR too much time on their hands.

[marym625]

61. yeah, grade schoolers on vacation and don't play outside.

[smirkymonkey]

68. I know, that kind of shit really bums me out.

I thought people here were better than that. I can't believe how petty some people can be.

[marym625]

71. might as well be on Facebook

[Octafish]

45. Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive: Professional Quadruple Naught Disinformationist

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

By Glenn Greenwald
The Intercept, 24 Feb 2014

One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

SNIP...

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:



SNIP...

No matter your views on Anonymous, “hacktivists” or garden-variety criminals, it is not difficult to see how dangerous it is to have secret government agencies being able to target any individuals they want – who have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crimes – with these sorts of online, deception-based tactics of reputation destruction and disruption. There is a strong argument to make, as Jay Leiderman demonstrated in the Guardian in the context of the Paypal 14 hacktivist persecution, that the “denial of service” tactics used by hacktivists result in (at most) trivial damage (far less than the cyber-warfare tactics favored by the US and UK) and are far more akin to the type of political protest protected by the First Amendment.

CONTINUED w/links, sources, details...

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

[hifiguy]

63. Damn, 'fish you have the documentation

for everything.

Just started the Talbot book. Already, the first 100 pages are enough to freeze the blood. That and the Jim Douglass book together explain everything.

[Octafish]

101. Stuff gathered over the years...

And like most poor old people, I re-cycle, rather than reinvent the circular GOOGLE search:

Online Propaganda - Invisible Tool of Secret Government

And like most old people, my eyes are starting to go. I'm devoting every bit of sight I have left to ending their NAZI reign. As we are seeing via the Internet and Democracy, what is proven effective is telling the truth and exposing them to the light of day.

Like the Robert Anton Wilson says: The Cosmic Jester of synchronicity and associative universes is amazing. I, too, am through the first 100 pages. And for a history, it's a work that's hard to put down.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. I don't think these are actually DUers. This George II looks like a piece of shit.

I know we have a user here by that name, but as far as I know, our George is an actual Democrat. This person seems more like a misbegotten Republican fuckstain who needs to have his stupid face spat upon for being such a useless piece of shit. Nope, this can't be our guy.

[ScreamingMeemie]

60. There are actual Democrats here who are jerks.

Otherwise people wouldn't be using their ignore functions.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

66. But if they're not really from this site...

...then I can continue to label them as the worthless heap of garbage they are. So they can't be ours...right?

[magical thyme]

65. I considered that possibility

However, it means that some group of people are spending a *lot* of time posting there with the intent of confusing us here by taking the names of DUers, creating mischief here and bragging about it over there under their assumed names.

[Scootaloo]

77. There are SO MANY imposters over there, it's amazing.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

85. I'm just doing my part to excoriate these imposters.

Since our George is a nice guy, I know he'll appreciate me drawing the distinction between him and the jackwagon that posts on that other site.

[hifiguy]

89. The guy who started the site, william769,

came back over to DU to acknowledge, publicise and boast about the fact that the Sewer Site was his baby. I don't think they're all imposters. Not for a minute. Prose styles are hard to copy.

[magical thyme]

58. what happens when you are "flagged for review?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152034

[Scootaloo]

70. Depends. Which candidate do you ssupport?

If you support Clinton, you get to go on epic bigoted flameouts, and come back a hero. If you're a Sanders sup[pprter, you're lucky if you even need that much before you get banned.

[hifiguy]

81. Succinctly put, Scootaloo.

100% accurate.

[Baitball Blogger]

62. These posters should get PPR'd

This kind of intentional targeting of DUers is the definition of making DU suck.

[840high]

86. ....x10+

[KamaAina]

74. All that tripe is in one of the password-protected areas, isn't it?

Buck-buck-BRAWWWK!

[hifiguy]

83. Yup. And the wall went up very shortly after

magical thyme, beam me up scottie and a couple of others screencapped their nauseating swill. Gee, I wonder why?

[Paka]

78. Such a sad lot.

Deliberately provoking with the intent of shutting down discussion on a discussion board. Why don't they just go away and play in another sandbox?

[840high]

88. They play in 2 sandboxes. I wish

we could get rid of them.

[OKNancy]

90. Cali has had many, many time-outs long before primary season

and long before this site was established. No one needs to target her.

[hifiguy]

97. Did you even READ the OP?

They're showing as much ass as possible. And bragging about it.

[gregcrawford]

93. It seems...

... that this kind of deliberate cyber-bullying should warrant banning. They're doing their scheming on another site, but it certainly appears that they had every intention of committing their crimes here on DU. That ain't right!

[JI7]

99. only black people in the AA group are allowed to be alert stalked

[ScreamingMeemie]

103. NO ONE should be alert stalked.

Ever. Anyone found engaging in it (in fact I fully support a limit on the number of alerts we can send in an hour, day, week) should be booted with a detailed reason. Screw them all. I don't care who the hell you plan on voting for.

[darkangel218]

102. I can't believe this!!

[etherealtruth]

105. LOCKING

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.