I, As A DU Member Since 2002, Want To Say... I Support, And Want To Thank, cali...

[WillyT]

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She has contributed more to this board than most could ever dream of.

And I think people trying to censor others, generally SUCK.

Discuss...

[Blue_Tires]

1. Did I miss something?

[sakabatou]

5. I'm in the dark as well

[jeff47]

6. Just yet more alert stalking from the other web site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152034&sub=trans

[Blue_Tires]

13. Fuck 'em... Folks have been trying to get rid of me for years now

and I'm still here...

[WillyT]

30. And Here We Agree... I Don't Want You Going Away... You Contribute...

I may not agree with where you stand, but I stand by you.

[roguevalley]

107. too many dems born since Reagon who forgot

what dems are supposed to be and what they fight for. Its sad as hell to watch.

[Go Vols]

179. +1 for truth

[Ikonoklast]

183. Those are the ones who think Hillary is a "Liberal".

Makes me ill.

[Dragonfli]

17. the "new" Conservative cave run by the new Conservative dems

Unlike the other cave site, they are allowed to act with impunity to troll here and even carry out their hit lists.
The other caver trolls are quickly banished when found, the new ones are completely bullet proof here.

That is what really sucks.

[jeff47]

20. Some posters are more equal than others. (nt)

[passiveporcupine]

73. the new cave?

You mean the Hillary site started by Skinner?

[darkangel218]

81. That site was not started by Skinner, it was started by another DUer. Nt

[Dragonfli]

102. No, the sewer created by disgruntled DUers in order to troll and attack members here

They appear to use Hillary's name as a shield, but unless you know something I do not, Skinner has no part in it.

They say horrible things about DU and the members that they target here, they are very similar in their preoccupation with this site with one known as the Conservative cave, which serves a similar function from a position only slightly to the right of them in many respects especially regarding perpetual war and unfettered trickle down economics.

They would have been called Reagan Democrats in the day, or maybe more aptly moderate Republicans as they existed in the eighties.

They are trolls that coordinate attacks on DU members from another site.

[passiveporcupine]

103. I was aware of that site. I thought that was the cave.

If that is the 'new' cave, I guess I don't know what the old cave is or was.

[Dragonfli]

105. That one still exists as well and keeps threads or files of DU members and make a game of trolling

here as well, they however use different names than any at their cave and usually give themselves away rather quickly and are banned for it.

This new cave uses Ms. Clinton's name as a shield and began to hide their "files" in a closed forum as soon as they figured out people were screen capping their coordinated attacks.

Hillary Clinton's name is a powerful shield for a conservative troll to use here and appears rather effective to immunize this type of troll from banishment.

I don't understand yet why the tactic works so well, it is a bit of a mystery to many of us.

[passiveporcupine]

120. No wonder everyone talks about conservative trolls here all the time.

I didn't understand.

[Bread and Circus]

198. Wait so there is a conservative website with Hillary supporters that scheme agsinst DU'ers?

I am confused.

[Dragonfli]

205. Yes, unfortunately

This is the latest OP (below) dealing with the issue, it is a slog, but there are screenshots of the activity as well as links to more screen shots, they have now hidden the entire site from public view so no more evidence can be shown (only active invited members may visit and daylight is frightening them), a move that was to be expected if they were to decide to continue such deplorable behavior.

I had hoped they would reform the behavior instead of taking it even further into the shadows, but my hopes mean very little.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027360502

[kestrel91316]

206. It certainly explains why a certain percentage of Hillary fans on DU strike me as

not very nice people.

[Enthusiast]

139. Thank you for clarifying that.

[sabrina 1]

108. Skinner started the new Cave? I thought it was started by a few disgruntled

people for whatever reason? News to me.

[Dragonfli]

112. I already explained the deal to that poster, the poster appears to grok the answer. /nt

[sabrina 1]

113. Read your post, thanks. I don't get it either, but since it doesn't seem to be having any

positive effect for their supposed candidate, I ignore it and them. More important things to do!

[Dragonfli]

115. Wise choice

[passiveporcupine]

119. No, I was just informed the old cave is the conservative cave.

I'd never seen that site...and now that I have I don't think I want to again.

[passiveporcupine]

71. I don't know if this was a coordinated effort or not

but she certainly got tr...teased till she was alerted and hidden again.

She needs to start putting some of these people on ignore when she comes back. It's not doing her any good to just be timed out over and over.

[jeff47]

72. Well, when they admit to a coordinated effort, and proudly talk about their coordinated effort

and cheer when their coordinated effort pays off...why exactly should we not consider it a coordinated effort?

[passiveporcupine]

75. I haven't seen that, which is why I said "I don't know"

but coordinated or not, it was a determined effort to get her timed out again, and the poster even admitted to playing her, and enjoying it. That should not be allowed here. Disgusting, really.

[840high]

94. There's a post with a copy of

their evil thoughts.

[passiveporcupine]

95. I just saw that, if you are referring to the one from September

Consider the source. Not a surprise.

[840high]

109. yep

[Rose Siding]

83. Each of those hides look legit to me

What's the beef?

[passiveporcupine]

100. Did you read the posts that led up to them?

I think one was legit. I don't think it's allowed to post nasty stuff about a member of DU (Grayson), even if that is not the real person, but instead their campaign staff. Cali knows that.

The other one...it never should have gotten that far, but the troll posts were ignored. And the member even admitted 'playing' with Cali and enjoying it. If her post should have been hidden, the other's should have too.

I personally don't believe in alerting and hiding at all. Unless someone is threatened, we should be adult enough to be civil, but also be able to take some ribbing on a site like this. I think there are far too many delicate flowers here. On both sides.

[Orrex]

215. That simply means that other posts should have been hidden as well

It doesn't mean that cali's posts shouldn't have been hidden.

I personally don't believe in alerting and hiding at all. Unless someone is threatened, we should be adult enough to be civil, but also be able to take some ribbing on a site like this. I think there are far too many delicate flowers here. On both sides.

That's your choice, of course, but while the jury system still stands, we all voluntarily submit to its terms as well as to its consequences.

Skinner has stated that "alert stalking" does not occur; we must to those who have access to the data.

We don't know how many non-hide alerts are called on these posters.
We don't know who is alerting on those posters.
We don't know how many of those non-Hide alerts are sincere.
We don't know who is serving on those juries.
We don't know how many of those Hide verdicts are sincere.

Lacking this information, we are not in a position to make objective statements of fact about it.

[passiveporcupine]

217. Quid pro quo

That simply means that other posts should have been hidden as well. It doesn't mean that cali's posts shouldn't have been hidden.

If those other posts had been hidden, Cali may have never been provoked to going over the line...there is responsibility in "provoking" a reply that would be a hiding offense. Yes, people need to have self-control, but trolls trying to provoke people into going over the line,need to also be contained. And if someone provokes another into going over the line, they need to either be banned together, or the responder needs to be given a lighter sentence because of the circumstances of how they were provoked. Otherwise, it is just not fair.

Skinner states that alert stalking does not occur. Sorry, Skinner is wrong. That is not true. Just look at posts on the cave about it and it's obvious it's a concerted effort to try to eliminate some sanders supporters. I'm not limiting it to one party or the other, but it is happening, and if Skinner thinks it isn't then he hasn't been paying attention.

[Orrex]

218. But what about those posts that weren't hidden? What do they tell us?

Should they have been hidden? Why weren't they hidden? Were they alerted on? You simply don't know. I don't know either, and I see little value in idle speculation.

Yes, people need to have self-control

Actually, that's the entirety of it, full stop. Cali is fully capable of attacking and provoking with the best of 'em, and I suspect that she's fully capable of self-control, as well. If a poster can't keep it together in response to a troll (or a perceived troll), then that's the poster's problem. Not the jury's problem, not Skinner's problem, and frankly not the troll's problem, either.

I've had posts hidden because I've allowed myself to lose my temper, and I accept responsibility for those posts. It would have been satisfying to blame those hides on "alert stalkers," but that would require me to rely on a fairy tale for which there's no real evidence.

I will repeat my point from the post above:

Skinner has stated that "alert stalking" does not occur; we must to those who have access to the data.

We don't know how many non-hide alerts are called on these posters.
We don't know who is alerting on those posters.
We don't know how many of those non-Hide alerts are sincere.
We don't know who is serving on those juries.
We don't know how many of those Hide verdicts are sincere.

Can you account for all of those variables for each of cali's current hides? At face value, at least four of them seem like legitimate votes. Do you contend that they shouldn't be hides because somebody else posted something that cali found objectionable? That speaks poorly of the expectations of personal responsibility.

Please explain to me how "alert stalking" might work. Sure, someone could have their posts alerted on with undue frequency, but Skinner is on record saying that this doesn't happen. On what basis, other than faith, do you contest that assertion?

And even if someone is "stalked" in this way, how can the stalker expect the jury to hide the post?


Regardless of what is seen on "the other site," I have not heard a convincing argument that "alert stalking" is logistically feasible, and Skinner--with access to the data--has said that it doesn't happen. Please present your evidence that it happens as you describe, otherwise I'm afraid that the claim remains unconvincing.

[snooper2]

160. She'll be back before Xmas no biggie

I love the inter-candidate drama you all have going makes for good entertainment....

And, will mean NOTHING in six months-


GO O'MALLEY!

[Action_Patrol]

24. Just people that treat an anonymous message board like a religion.

It's the Internet. Some people could stand to log off once in a while.

[kiva]

2. I've been a member since 2007,

and I join you in supporting her. I don't always agree with Cali, but she make me think - more than those who work so hard to keep her out of DU.

[WillyT]

7. Well Said !!!

It's a DISCUSSION BOARD after all.

[BeanMusical]

48. +1 Absolutely.

[Bubzer]

167. +1

[bvar22]

185. I've been a member since 2001,

Cali and I have not always agreed, but I have always respected her and her opinions.
I have always read her threads.
Proud to join this thread.

DURec and a kick for Cali.

[Thinkingabout]

3. I think stalkers suck also, it needs to stop.

[sabrina 1]

114. Stalkers stalk, it's pretty much all they ever have contributed to this site. They do suck but

they have a negative effect ONLY on their own 'cause' whatever it may be, so I make use of them whenever I can, to kick a thread, to document the phenomenon.

They are not the sharpest knives in the drawer so they tend to fall into a pattern that identifies them with the help of smart DUers. That renders them and their 'opinions' pretty useless.

But stalkers ARE creepy!

[polly7]

194. Yes, they are.

I had one in real life for over a year ...... not the same thing as on a message board, but I know people who've had their FB messages spread all over the place after dirty stalkers finally found them, anything and everything they'd ever posted online and could be traced done the same with - it's sick. I know for a fact there are people here who have had this done to them, by the usual suspects.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. K&R. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

8. K&R!

[panader0]

9. Yup.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027359403

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027359472

[jwirr]

10. +1

[demmiblue]

11. cali is a gem, so I will rec. At the same time, meta posts are tiresome, so I will unrec.

[WillyT]

16. I Don't Like META Posts For The Most Part, But By Putting Them In ATA, We Get NO Discussion

Sometimes you have to check your own underwear.

Sorry about that...

[demmiblue]

19. If you have to check your own underwear in public, methinks you have a serious hygiene problem. n/t

[WillyT]

32. LOL !!! - Good Point...

[Jim Lane]

130. Isn't "meta posts are tiresome" a meta post?

But if I unrec your post on that basis... I'm unreccing a post that unrec'd a meta post, so I suppose I'm indirectly reccing a meta post... My head hurts.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. For clarity, she will be back in about a week.

It would be nice if the admins zeroed-out the 4 hides when she returns next week. Has that been done for other recently-reinstated members? Anyway, since one of the DU hosts also runs a site where they scheme to get Cali blocked from DU, I don't think it would be out of place for the admins to zero-out her hides.

The Class of '01 supports Cali.

[WillyT]

37. Class Of '01... Show Off !!!

I was lurking then... does that count ???

[DisgustipatedinCA]

40. Yes...lurking counts.

Besides, I'm afraid this could quickly escalate into a post count contest, and I'd be sunk.

[ladyVet]

133. I sure hope we aren't going to do a "show me yours" thing!

I've been lurking here almost since the beginning (I think it was February 2001 when I found this place), but didn't join until 2004. I didn't get 1000 posts until a couple of months ago. Talk about being sunk.

[dae]

159. Same here, BartCop recommended the site and I

ended up lurking quite a while before joining. Don't post much but come here for news, insight, and snark.

[PatSeg]

175. I lurked here for a long time as well

and joined about the same time you did. It wasn't until the primaries in 2007 that I actually had any post count of consequence.

[totodeinhere]

68. She will be back unless she is so disgusted with this place that she decides to never come back.

I hope she doesn't do that. It would be a great loss. But I wouldn't blame her if she did.

[Jim Lane]

131. No, it will be 2-3 weeks

The Clinton supporters nailed her twice on Wednesday, so she'll have to wait for two hides to drop off, not just one.

You write that "one of the DU hosts also runs a site where they scheme to get Cali blocked from DU...." I'm not sure that's correct. I'm aware of two recently established pro-Clinton sites. One was established by the DU admins. The other has notoriously become a cesspool of venom against DUers who are not 100% on board with Clinton. AFAIK these are two different sites and the vile characteristics of the latter have not been duplicated on the former, but I waste no time visiting either so I can't say for sure.

Note to jurors: No, I can't prove absolutely definitively that it was Clinton supporters who stalked cali and managed to hit her with two hides, after blatantly goading her into one of them. It's my opinion. Given the avalanche of bleating from Clinton supporters about supposed alert stalking against them, the community has clearly established the standard that complaints about alert stalking are permissible.

[marym625]

169. seems that the zero out is a privilege given to people who support a certain candidate

The entire thing has become very tiresome. Really very Jr high school.

I admire Cali, respect her knowledge and abhor the behavior of those that goad someone into a hide. I also find the fact that members of MIRT and main forum hosts that are playing this stupid game is indicative of the mindset and bias that we currently see.

The thing is, it has done nothing in helping this board. We lose great posters more and more often. We see more and more posts from other sources kicked to the top, while the excellent articles written by DUers drop like stones when they are written at all.

One of the great things about du, for years, was the original posts. Posts by people who had no chance of being seen otherwise. Now, so many of those great writers have left because of stupid shit like this. No one gains and everyone loses.

Kick for Cali.

[cui bono]

178. Yeah, when I first joined DU I knew everyone on here was more informed than I.

Now, not so much.

First I've heard of the "zero out". Do you know who got that privilege? Should be public info on the transparency page just as the hidden posts are.

[cui bono]

174. Who did that happen for?

That's just wrong.

[markpkessinger]

14. Hear, hear! n/t

[MuseRider]

15. 100%

2002 here too and I have never seen anything like this AND conspiring on another board and saying vile things about some of us.

It may be time to search for another board. If this is allowed, even allowed to still be on MIRT, then I am pretty sure that I would rather find another place. Problem is, this is the best place I have found for discussion...or it was.

It will be a lot of fun when they posters from that site who seem to hate everything about this one are allowed back in.

Cali, hang in there. You have been invaluable and a tireless supporter of Bernie.

[murielm99]

106. I HAVE seen things like it.

I supported Hillary instead of Obama. I made my views known here. When Obama won the nomination I worked very hard for him, harder than many people on this board. I was a county Democratic chairman at the time.

I am a good Democrat who always supports the nominee.

There were many people here who remembered my support of Hillary. They tried to mass alert on me and many other former Clinton supporters to get us banned. I was told to STFU and nothing was done about it. I was called a PUMA, when I did not know what that meant.

I am glad Obama won. He has been a good President in the face of terrible opposition and racism.

Many of the people here back then were more Hillary haters than Obama supporters. Many of them are back in the form of Bernie supporters.

There is plenty of hate on your side. I don't go to that other site, but I am glad there is a place for Hillary supporters to vent about some of the things Bernie supporters do here. You reap what you sow, Bernie supporters.

[passiveporcupine]

125. they create a site where they can hide behind a cloak of secrecy

I am glad there is a place for Hillary supporters to vent about some of the things Bernie supporters do here. You reap what you sow, Bernie supporters.

Just so they can say really ugly stuff about people here. Bernie supporters do not have a site like that. They already had a group that they could lock people out of here, but they had to be fairly civil to not be alerted. Just like the Bernie group.

Where is your outrage at the injustice for the Bernie group?

Yeah, I thought so.

But thank you, at least, for not participating in that kind of activity. I would not do it either if there was a Bernie off-site where we could bitch and moan and defile people here. Even if it was hidden. And I would never coordinate efforts to silence people whom I don't agree with. Especially getting them banned from DU.

I guess the fact that they have to hide the uglies shows that they may at least be a little embarrassed that it might be revealed over here. Especially the tag team efforts to ban people here.

It's funny that we fight for democracy, yet they want to lock people out of DU. Just for supporting a different candidate.

[murielm99]

135. I will reiterate my support for that site.

I have friends there, even if I do not visit there myself.

They did it after being bullied and banned by Bernie supporters here. What did you people expect? I think many of you know very little about politics if you did not expect some pushback.

And Bernie supporters have a bad reputation all over the internet.

[passiveporcupine]

136. BS bad bullies, HS good victims. Got it.

Sorry but that just does register on my truth meter correctly.

I acknowledge there have been attacks on Hillary supporters and against Hillary...but you ignore the attacks on Bernie and his supporters as if we are supposed to sit back and take it while being friendly and not standing up for our candidate or our beliefs.

People don't just attack out of the blue. They get defensive and strike. After awhile that is a built in response, because you already know what is coming.

It is not a one-sided fight. There is always another side to every story.

[murielm99]

212. The Bernie supporters are the vast majority here.

About 80% of the DU is for Bernie. Many of those Bernie people have behaved in a very bullying manner. So, yes, you are right. People don't just attack out of the blue. They get defensive and strike. That is what the MINORITY here, the Hillary supporters have been doing. That is why there is another website where they can go complain and discuss without the attacks on them.

You Bernie people remind me of fundie wingnut Christians. Christians are in the majority in this country. But every time the Christians don't get to do exactly what they please, some group of Christians claims they are being persecuted. A majority is not being persecuted. That makes no sense.

Bernie supporters have a bad reputation all over the Internet. It has been earned. Yeah, BS bad bullies. You got it.

[AtheistCrusader]

211. I've held some pretty unpopular opinions around here.

Both, by my nature, and sometimes as devil's advocate.

The only time I've ever been put on vacation, was when I lost my patience, dropped all civility, and told some posters what I really thought of them, knowing full well it was against the rules.

You don't get banned 'by Bernie supporters', you get banned for violating the rules in a way that juries can recognize and act on.

Drop the persecution complex, everyone who posts here knows how the site works. A couple juries here and there may flub it, a couple well-crafted bullshit alerts can sometimes 'win' and hide a post, but to get five, you are in fact doing something you shouldn't be.

You can disagree with people without crossing a line, and getting a post hidden.

[eridani]

144. We don't need a special site to plan stalking of DU members

And we don't nee hashtags like #Hillarysoblack

[murielm99]

158. But we need that fly

to commemorate a member who was banned for good reason? As long as you do things like that, you deserve no sympathy.

[hifiguy]

196. Damn tootin we do.

[el_bryanto]

18. I'd agree with that. nt

[panader0]

21. A question about the hosts:

When my thread about this was recently locked, I was told that it was the consensus of the hosts.
Who are they? How many are there? Are they on every forum?

[REP]

27. Check the "About This Forum" for the names of the Hosts

As it is structured now, the Hosts are all working on all Forums - each Forum no longer has its on Hosts. Several current Hosts have been "resigning" before the end of their terms are re-signing up, circumventing the 90-day Hosting term.

[tammywammy]

43. There was an ATA about that

Hopefully they change it so that can't be done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598954

[Mosby]

28. There is only one group of forum hosts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002

They have their own private group where they discuss sop alerts.

[panader0]

39. That list is very interesting.

This place isn't as democratic as I once thought.

[REP]

50. I Hosted for a long time

It probably seems longer than it was, but once I realized I was paying for the privilege of dealing with unclear guidelines that shifted daily and much unpleasantness from trying to guess what the rules were today, I said fuck that noise.

[panader0]

61. It seems like it would be easy to stack that deck.

Are the hosts truly representative of DU members as a whole, or weighted toward a particular candidate?
As we have seen on DU polls, most here support Bernie. The owners support Hillary. The hosts don't seem
to represent the majority.

[REP]

67. I got out long before Primary Season

The Hosts should only be giving a crap about: Does the OP violate the Statement of Purpose of the Forum?

Juries hid posts. Hosts lock OPs that don't meet the SoP of the Forum (for example, a post with a Primary topic posted in GD should be locked; this thread should be locked as Meta). Hosts don't do Hides.

[valerief]

165. Hillary Clinton is the favorite group of 7 of the 30 hosts.

Nearly a quarter of them.

[truebrit71]

200. I'm sure that will have no impact on their impartiality...

None at all...

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. If you go to the GD main page there is a button that says "About This Forum".

There are 30 hosts, with 8 waiting their turn.

[JEB]

22. Is this underhanded bullshit indicative of a Clinton administration?

[KingCharlemagne]

155. Nixon redux - nt

[Duckhunter935]

23. Yep, my star just expired

Will not renew as the admins seem to be allowing this to happen. Not cool they started another site to plot. Even worse when discovered they made it members only. Sorry DU, love the site before this and for now no money from me.

[Doctor_J]

44. mine's about to expire. I've had a star since they became available.

But the time has come to part company. I am actually shocked at how rabid the Clinton supporters are.

[Duckhunter935]

46. I have been a star member

For at least a couple of years. Sad part is that offensive petty behavior is allowed, and by the very load silence, seems to be condoned.

[LovingA2andMI]

62. So Sad....

This is allowed and seeming to be encouraged to go on....

[peacebird]

201. I have been a star member for many many years. I posted in another thread that I will not renew

my star membership as long as this behaviour is tolerated. It may be time to find another forum. The fact that a group of. Hillary supporters have another site where they plot & coordinate attacks on DUers, and then celebrate the banning of DUers over here.... There are screen captures rpthat show this egregious behaviour.
I disagree with their choice of candidate but. I have never tried to get someone banned or silenced.

[Duckhunter935]

204. Same here

I am fine they support another candidate. What goes over the line is the overt plotting and celebrating when they get a time out or ban. I think the admins here should act on that as it has been posted several times with no comment from them. The silence is deafening

[CountAllVotes]

137. +1

No kidding!

[sheshe2]

51. Actually anyone can join.

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/


We don't have a jury system, we have moderators.

Surprised you would be interested in joining an HRC site.

[Duckhunter935]

56. I am not going to register

And give them any of my information. It just might be misused.

[sheshe2]

77. Lol~

email address

[Duckhunter935]

90. Yes

[sheshe2]

91. Then no worries. Don't join.

You weren't going to anyway, you just wished to make an issue out of it.

Late gotta run, great talking to you.

[GummyBearz]

164. I would vote for hillary if her supporters weren't so mean spirited

That website is the reason I wont vote for Hillary in the primary now

[upaloopa]

180. I am sure everyone else here knows this

Depending on the side you are on, the other side has the mean people.
From Steven Covey's books I learned about paradigms. We all see the world through our particular paradigms and even though we are looking at the same things we see them differently.
So with that, we are all the victims of the mean people on the other side per our paradigms.
The primary will be over soon I am sure if it. Then we can get back to one board because if you don't support our nominee you will be gone. TOS

[GummyBearz]

182. Really simple isnt it

Until that last part. No one owns my vote but me. I will not bad mouth any democratic candidate after the primary, but I also can write in any democratic name when I step into the polling booth and not get banned. At least until there are cameras in the voting booths, something loyalty oath makers would love. They would be able to not only harass the "Nader voters" as a general group, but individually as well. Lovely thought...

edited for clarity

[TSIAS]

181. I joined

Didn't post for a week, and upon returning found out I'd been banned.

Something in my 0 posts must have been offensive to the moderators.

[Hiraeth]

25. sadly, K&R

I was afraid this might happen. Said so in my OP about cali last week.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128072647

[Sheepshank]

118. Funny...I knew this would happen too

Figured the inevitable personal attacks would result in another hide

[Jesus Malverde]

26. Bump for cali

She adds a lot to the conversation. Over 100k poster.

[philosslayer]

29. Awww...

Is she in the doghouse again? What a shame....

[WillyT]

47. Your Sympathy Is Obvious...

[philosslayer]

49. Is it now?

Excuse me while I go find another box of tissues.

[WillyT]

57. I Doubt You've Used Even One

[philosslayer]

59. Oh i've used boxes....

BOXES!!!!

[WillyT]

60. Tough-Man, Eh ???

[philosslayer]

65. I'm just a sucker for a sad story I guess

I mean, what WILL Cali do come Jan 2017 when President Clinton is inaugurated? She'll have a LONG 8 years biting her tongue.

[WillyT]

76. Oh... You're One Of Those 1 Percenters !!!

Nice to meet ya.

[philosslayer]

79. Actually I'm one of the 70 percent

Of Democrats who support Secretary Clinton.

[WillyT]

84. Woo... Fucking... Hoo...

[LanternWaste]

191. I used to cower behind false sincerity while maintaining the pretense it's cleverness too.

I used to cower behind false sincerity while maintaining the pretense it's cleverness too. However, as it illustrated a cowardice on my part, I stopped doing so.

No doubt, you'll allege both sincerity and a lack of cowardice. I'd do the same...

[bravenak]

33. Damn. That sucks. I hate alert trollers. Obviously.

[WillyT]

93. Me Too, bravenak...

I saw what happened to you...

It ain't right.

[bravenak]

96. I take it as a badge of honor. I am sure she does too!

I still say we might need mods.

[WillyT]

98. Badge Of Honor Here Too... And Yeah... The Mod System Seemed Better

[Tipperary]

34. Can you explain to a relative newcomer what this is about?

I even lurked before I joined, but some stuff I just do not get.

[cstanleytech]

74. In a nutshell? Sounds like someone got temporarily suspended from posting to the DU after

getting 4 to 5 posts hidden in under a 90 day period.
It happens every now and then though if people would just control themselves and keep it civil it wouldnt happen and the people up in arms over these suspensions know that though rather than admit it some of them would rather blame the jurys and the jury system.

[840high]

99. There was a planned effort from the

other site to get rid of cali.

[magical thyme]

140. Cali is being targeted by members of another site

and proof in the form of screen captures showing them gloating about the last time they targeted her and planning to continue doing so was posted of it earlier today.

[cstanleytech]

209. Be that as may if people would just keep it civil the varies randomly picked jurys on the DU

would have no reason to lock any of the posts and no would be suspended no matter how many alerts there are.
In the end if someone cannot remain civil they are going to have jurys locking their posts and then they are going to get suspended for a bit.

[donco]

35. I was

on the Grayson jury.That would have given her a time out regardless.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Me too. K&R

[Texasgal]

38. While I don't agree with everything

she says, I LOVE her feisty nature.

I'd hate to see her go for a long time. She's a DU treasure!

[bullwinkle428]

41. Shit - I disagreed with the post that got hidden, but it was still a pathetic

decision to hide!

K&R.

[tritsofme]

42. Here since 2003 and I'm with you 100%. Absolute bullshit.

cali is an incredible contributor to this site. The alert stalking has gotten way out of hand.

[Flying Squirrel]

45. Kinda in between on this.

I do enjoy Cali's posts. I do think that the number of hides it takes for a time-out should be a percentage of one's overall number of posts, not a fixed number. I do agree that alert stalking happens and it sucks; I also think a human should be involved in the decision to give someone a time out.

However, the rules are currently what they are, and we're all playing by the sane ones; of the two new hides, I would have voted to hide the personal attack on the DUer and lean toward hiding the personal attack on Grayson (although that doesn't necessarily mean I completely disagree, I just don't know enough and don't completely trust him). Knowing the rules and having just returned from a suspension, I'd have been more careful with my words.

I do look forward to her return.

[cstanleytech]

52. Just curios but doesnt this fall into the meta rules for the forum?

[MaggieD]

53. She got a 5-2 hide for calling someone a name

Why would you stand by that?

[bravenak]

64. I must have missed that.

Well, when they hit you with your next incomprehensible hides, I will do a thread for you, just like this. Say nice things.

[BeanMusical]

54. Thank you for this, WillyT.

Kick and R.

[Agnosticsherbet]

55. Very well said, WillyT

No matter how much members disagree, no on should be stalked with the intent of quieting their voice.

[Hepburn]

157. What you said. n/t

[JEB]

58. Cali has done a lot of excellent work

making this site and its users more informed on a number of issues. I especially appreciate he excellent work on the TPP.

[nenagh]

63. K&R...

and thank you, Willy T... and thank you, cali.. I really enjoyed your posts..

[Duval]

66. I look forward to her return.

[dflprincess]

69. Also here since 2002 and I agree WillyT

It's time for the admins to do step in and stop the stalking - the alerting just to get silence someone has been out of hand for quite a while now.

[CaptainTruth]

70. The fact that posts like this are now needed on DU ...

... is depressing.

WTF has happened? Not the same site I joined back in ... heck ... 2000? Maybe before? The GW Bush years took a lot of tequila & rum to get through ... details are sometimes hazy ...

I still visit every day, multiple times, for my news. DU is still my 1st & main source - THANK YOU to everyone who posts news items! You Rock! And an especially big THANK YOU to n2doc for the toon roundups! I really look forward to them.

But, I really don't comment much anymore. One reason is because I usually visit via mobile (Android) & every time my phone is in standby for any length of time DU logs me out. Logging back in over & over (so I can reply) is a hassle. I haven't seen a "stay logged in" option. Is there one? Something I'm missing? I'd post more if I didn't have to repeatedly log in. That may seem trivial to some, but I'm self-employed, running my own business, & my days are crazy. Sometimes I don't get a chance to eat all day. Thanks for any advice!

[bbgrunt]

78. K n R in solidarity

[pa28]

80. Sorry to hear that DU'ers coordinated alert attacks on Cali at a third party website. Creepy.

Since she's now been silenced I guess we can bring out the mournful candle of remembrance. Right guys?

[artislife]

127. Probably by the h supporters with

the same in their sig lines martyring their own fallen.

Jeeze.

[pa28]

128. H supporters compared them to martyrs or political prisoners for their well deserved suspensions.

Oh this place.

[artislife]

129. No one suffers like a h supporter.

The most victimized group of people on the face of the earth.

I would feel sorry for them, but I kinda don't give a f*ck.

[Jim Lane]

132. About that "kinda don't give a f*ck"

I wish I didn't. Alas, I've reversed the Elvis Costello lyric: I used to be amused, but now I'm disgusted.

[cstanleytech]

210. If you think Hillary are the sole problem then are sadly misguided. I have seen supporters for both

Hillary and Bernie (or atleast alleged supporters as it wouldnt surprise me if some are just here to try and create dissension here on the DU) posting stuff and being intolerant of the other.
I mean hell I got blocked by one of the hosts in the Bernie group simply for pointing out that someone they were trying to idolize for getting banned got banned for a major DU ToS violation by posting an article that advocated voting for Bernie even if he doesnt win the nomination rather than vote for Hillary so ya some people in both are being camps are being jackasses to each other.

[awoke_in_2003]

82. The stalking is out of control...

I was a mod during 08 primaries and I don't remember it being this bad. Of course back then, moderators were making the decisions on what to remove or not remove, not an anonymous jury.

[Paka]

85. K&R

It's gotten so out of hand. Where are the adults in this conversation?

[Hekate]

86. Meta

Goodness

[WillyT]

87. Beta...

Masterful.

[ScreamingMeemie]

89. Alpha

[Beartracks]

162. Peta!

==================

[ieoeja]

163. Omega

That should be the end.

[cui bono]

177. THIS is end...

[Warren DeMontague]

202. Aye, I remember that one. She was great fun during the "moon bombing" threads.

"Nasa brutes attacking our lunar sister and the star folks space colony! Disrupting our menstrual cycles!"

Good times.

[MissDeeds]

88. +1

K&R

[840high]

92. The people who plotted to get rid

of cali need to be banned from DU. They are sick and disgusting.

[WillyT]

97. No... Not Banned... Not Censored... Pointed Out And Mercilessly Mocked... Yes...

Just let everyone else know who they are, without getting yourself banned.

[840high]

101. ok

[Enthusiast]

141. +1 a whole bunch!

[G_j]

104. I second

that emotion!

[Elwood P Dowd]

110. I've been a member since 2003 and support cali.

Started lurking long before that. Cali has indeed contributed more to DU than probably 95% of us. Don't want to piss off anybody, so all I have left to say is this.........

[WillyT]

121. You Said A Lot... Thank You !!!

[Elwood P Dowd]

124. Thanks for alerting us about this mess WillyT.

[Half-Century Man]

111. For Cali.

I and many like me, people who genuinely want our country to rise above the fetid swamp of moneyed interests that we have been mired in ever since the eighties (and made worse by every President), have been falsely accused of every social evil because we have found a candidate we can finally feel enthusiastic about and have banded together to support our choice. We are constantly badgered about perpetually vowing our loyalty to a party currently controlled by people who's loyalty to us is questionable. We are confronted by the specter of a candidate who will absolutely betray at least one group of people supporting her. Ms. Clinton will have to betray either the voters who elect on her (vague) promises of economic, election, healthcare, and foreign policy reform; or she will betray the bankers, lobbyists, MIC, and corporatized medicine who have given her millions upon millions over the last 2 decades (plus).
Considering it costs $30,000.00 plus to eat in the same room as her; we have our suspicions as to whom is facing betrayal.

To be repetitively confronted by proof of what we are so commonly accused of, the coordinated attacks to enrage those persons we are supposed to be having an open discussion with to better select the most effective candidate for our side. Enrage them to the point of verbally lashing back so they can be ejected from the conversation rather than argued with.
That is some seriously chanker ridden assholery there.

I can only assume that all this concentrated effort to disenfranchise the most verbal supporters of Bernie Sanders here on DU is some vain attempt to derail his campaign. That won't happen., All the expensive effort (here and elsewhere) going into making him go away is money flushed down the drain.

My utmost support for Cali.
My utmost support for Bernie Sanders
My utmost support for progressivism.
My utmost support of the Democratic Party, and I hope it remembers that it is the left leaning party someday.

[WillyT]

122. + 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!!

[Enthusiast]

142. +1 You nailed it.

[beerandjesus]

149. AWESOME post!

[dae]

156. Great post and I agree with you 100%!

[closeupready]

116. Agree completely. I've had run-ins with her, and then eventually

I realize, I bicker with her because she's SHARP, and sometimes she's RIGHT and YOU are WRONG. And that can really suck.

But yeah, I notice when she's absent, and I like DU less without her.

[Todays_Illusion]

117. Thanks WillyT for posting up a support post for cali. I am not really acquainted here,

but I can see that there is some targeted harassing going on this site. I am certain I have clicked DU rec for posts from cali.

But most of all we hope cali sees this and continues to contribute.

[WillyT]

123. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[tishaLA]

126. i sometimes disagree qith cali

But I always know she will be passionate and honest about her opinions. She has my respect.

[Warren DeMontague]

134. "people trying to censor others, generally SUCK"

Yep, right there.

[ancianita]

138. Down with smug, authoritarian alert stalking. It's un-Democratic Party. K & R

[Enthusiast]

143. Kicked and recommended!

[Scuba]

145. This is unacceptable. The members involved should be given lengthy timeouts or be banned.

[MissDeeds]

153. But they won't be

They support the DU approved candidate.

[octoberlib]

146. K&R!

[BrainDrain]

147. oh ....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

here have a tissue...peoples post get removed by a "JURY" here all the time. People disagree, sometimes loudly, on this board all the time. I have had my share of hate here, but I ain't cryin' about it.

Seriously...put on your big boy/girl pants.

[treestar]

150. If you are civil, how should any such campaign affect you?

[librechik]

151. I join in support of cali & apologize for the snark I've given her in the past

not an alerter!

[Rex]

152. I've said some things to cali that I look back on and regret ever saying.

Yet she still replies to me in threads and is kind. She is far more mature than I will ever be. Thanks cali for realizing I say stupid shit sometimes and not holding it against me.

[malthaussen]

154. Cali is one of the most informative people on the board.

Man, it gets tiresome, seeing good people nibbled to death by ducks.

-- Mal

[Fumesucker]

161. Like any big hitter cali has her home runs and her strikeouts

If you are swinging for the bleachers a lot then your strikeouts are going to be more spectacular.

I've applauded cali's home runs and booed her strikeouts.

Cali is a great contributor and I support her.

[trumad]

166. This was a strikeout

"Not only do you have a critical thinking deficit, but your mind reading abilities really suck. I do find you amusing however".

When you have a target on your back you don't post shit like this the minute you come back from suspension.

Not well played by Cali.

[Renew Deal]

168. I like Cali, but no one made her say those things.

The two latest hides are a personal attack on a DUer and an over-the-top attack on an elected Democrat. Both good hides.

I looked at the other 4 hides and they all look correct. Feel free to defend the ones you disagree with.

[Mosby]

171. exactly

I can't believe so many DUers are defending that crap.

It's not that hard to avoid hides around here, not insulting people is a good place to start.

Cali was getting time outs before DU3 and the jury system even existed.

She has a problem.

[Renew Deal]

172. I don't think the problem is all her

I don't think we should have suspensions and the juries should be replaced.

[Mosby]

176. skinner has made it really clear that the moderator system is gone

I agree that the host system is not perfect, but it's here to stay.

[seaglass]

192. No one ever deserves a hide if they are on your side, didn't you know? The whole "baiting" thing

is a cop-out. We are all responsible for the posts we write and that "well she was baited" sounds like a 12 year old's excuse.

I like many of cali's posts but she did earn the hides. I've never seen her say that any of her hidden posts were unjust. I could be wrong but I just don't think that is her character.

[arcane1]

170. Conservatives HATE Cali, and the feeling is most mutual.

[merrily]

173. Yes, and I can say the same of you, WillyT

[JI7]

184. what did she get the hides for ?

[Spirochete]

186. Did she get alert stalked again?

That's a shame. She is one of the smarter, more articulate posters here, IMO. I don't share her hatred of Grayson, but I do agree with her on most things.

[jwirr]

187. Me to. Cali supplied us with valuable info on the TPP when

we needed it and is now being targeted for it. This targeting is truly sick not matter who is doing it.

[shanti]

188. k&r

*standing with cali*

[d_legendary1]

190. Alert stalking is becoming a problem

And not just for the primaries.

[Beacool]

193. I don't know what you're talking about, was she banned?

I abhor censorship and have never alerted or put anyone on ignore. I took a look and found some comments that were hidden because they personally attacked an individual and were deemed to be offensive. I can understand the passion that some feel about politics, but calling a fellow Democrat a "piece of shit" could understandably be considered offensive.

[Uncle Joe]

195. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

[hifiguy]

197. Kickin this as hard as I can.

FREE CALI!

[mythology]

199. Perhaps if she spent less time insulting people

She would have fewer hides. She earned this suspension just like she earned the last one.

Her posting style is what causes her problems.

[Warren DeMontague]

203. So would you say everyone who has had a time-out earned it legitimately, then?

Because I've seen far greater shit-losing over some other forced vacations, than this one.

[WillyT]

208. Some Don't Suffer Fools Gladly...

And I Believe There is a "Thick Skin" advisory here at DU.

[leftstreet]

207. DURec

[BeanMusical]

213. Kick!

[Major Hogwash]

214. Where is cali?

I haven't seen her post here in months.

[Vinca]

216. This seems to be turning into a site where freedom of speech is just a notion.