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romanic

(2,841 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:32 PM Nov 2015

Safe Spaces Segregate the Claremont Colleges

In the wake of last week’s protests and resignations at Claremont McKenna College (CMC), “safe spaces” for students of marginalized identities are popping up all over the campuses of the Claremont Colleges. After protestors called for action, CMC President Hiram Chodosh stated his commitment to providing a permanent safe space for students of color in the near future. Until then, the Associated Students of Claremont McKenna College (ASCMC) have dedicated part of their office as a safe space for these students.

Safe spaces for minority students have appeared on the campuses of other Claremont Colleges as well. Last week, the Motley Coffeehouse at Scripps College issued a statement on its official Facebook page, “The Motley sitting room will be open tonight from 6-10 only for people of color and allies that they invite. Please feel free to come and use the space for whatever you need – decompress, discuss, grieve, plan, support each other, etc. In solidarity.”

Additionally, a “Hurting and Healing” event, described as “a *for POC, by POC* art show,” is scheduled to take place at Pomona College on December 5. “This show’s intent is to create a space that is pro-POC, pro-black, and anti-white supremacist,” states the event’s website. “While you may want to invite a white friend or ally, to make this a safe and comfortable space for other POC, we ask that you do not.”

Further, the editorial board of The Student Life, an official, student government-funded newspaper, expressed solidarity with the recent movement and issued a statement explaining that the publication will create a space in its next issue for students of color who wish to write about their personal experiences. “We are tired of going to protests, seeing White allies snap and clap and shout only to move on the next day like nothing happened,” the editors write.


http://claremontindependent.com/safe-spaces-segregate-the-claremont-colleges/

Are these safe spaces truly safe, or are we seeing segregation coming back onto our campuses?
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Safe Spaces Segregate the Claremont Colleges (Original Post) romanic Nov 2015 OP
It's different. linuxman Nov 2015 #1
You're being sarcastic. romanic Nov 2015 #9
LOL, yes. linuxman Nov 2015 #38
This shit makes my head hurt. n/t geomon666 Nov 2015 #2
In the 70s my college dedicated an entire house to the jwirr Nov 2015 #3
How is this progress? B2G Nov 2015 #4
I don't think so JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #59
When I went to Humboldt State, my first thought was XemaSab Nov 2015 #74
When I was younger I didn't notice it JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #81
This is the dumbest trend ever. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #5
Not me. I want to see just how absurd this can get. Throd Nov 2015 #39
A colleague is on the board of Scripps, one of the Claremont Colleges KamaAina Nov 2015 #6
Here you go. KamaAina Nov 2015 #49
Just spent some time reading the Claremont Independent SwankyXomb Nov 2015 #79
Do they have separate drinking fountains for whites? Democat Nov 2015 #7
No. Igel Nov 2015 #41
How long before lawsuits and civil rights violations put an end to this nonsense? Heeeeers Johnny Nov 2015 #8
Too bad they don't understand SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #10
No...do you think that's the way the founders of the AME Church Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #13
I doubt you will get far with folks. It is yet again an example of privilege meeting non privilege randys1 Nov 2015 #30
So eliminate public spaces then. romanic Nov 2015 #32
LOL Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #51
Why the fuck would you say that? Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #72
That's it.... Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #73
True dat bravenak Nov 2015 #77
I would venture to say that the environment SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #34
But I very highly doubt that whites (especially men) Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #37
I beg to differ. Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #47
To a degree, you were in a situation Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #50
I've had more fucking lessons in racism Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #71
Mmmm hmmm bravenak Nov 2015 #78
if a gay group did this, would you think they are segregating? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2015 #11
Why not LGBT college? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #16
White studens are the minority at Claremont B2G Nov 2015 #20
White students aren't the minority at Claremont. What gave you that idea? pnwmom Nov 2015 #21
They are if you classify people as either B2G Nov 2015 #22
No, because if you add the white students (43%) plus assume at least half of the pnwmom Nov 2015 #23
You can do the math yourself B2G Nov 2015 #25
They calculated the percents pnwmom Nov 2015 #33
So 100% Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #53
I don't. But many of the foreign students are white, and most importantly, pnwmom Nov 2015 #54
Safe spaces for white people randys1 Nov 2015 #31
Safe Space for EVERYONE! snooper2 Nov 2015 #89
Ahh, the ole economic argument. Dont ask someone to care about economics while randys1 Nov 2015 #90
Are these private school students being shot at? NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #93
reminds me of the little fella who righteously proclaims, "what about a WHITE history month?" LanternWaste Nov 2015 #42
How about in positions of power - faculty and administration? n/t gollygee Nov 2015 #45
That is a good question. No idea. B2G Nov 2015 #46
My wife teaches at a university and my daughter attends a different university FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #12
That does not surprise me. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #28
Most college students don't waste their time with crap like this ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #48
This is nothing new, and is standard practice many places. kwassa Nov 2015 #14
Private residences are very different from common campus spaces B2G Nov 2015 #18
Not necessarily. kwassa Nov 2015 #27
It's only a matter of time until universities catch onto this. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #15
This article title is totally misleading, by the way. kwassa Nov 2015 #17
You need to re-read the article B2G Nov 2015 #19
You need to re-read my note. kwassa Nov 2015 #24
I cannot see how this is beneficial: Maedhros Nov 2015 #26
My son is currently a student at Pomona college. Kber Nov 2015 #29
you have exactly the right perspective on this IMO tishaLA Nov 2015 #35
I think it's a step backwards flamingdem Nov 2015 #36
I'm sure that'll work in the real world nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #40
The rest of the university is a safe space for white students mwrguy Nov 2015 #43
+100 Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #44
Ironic isn't it? notadmblnd Nov 2015 #52
You don't get it. kwassa Nov 2015 #55
Yeah, I know. notadmblnd Nov 2015 #57
You should know better ... kwassa Nov 2015 #60
You're never too old to learn notadmblnd Nov 2015 #61
I have learned enough to teach. kwassa Nov 2015 #62
As I said, blah blah blah infinity notadmblnd Nov 2015 #65
Please ignore it. kwassa Nov 2015 #68
i wonder what Doctor King would think of this. hifiguy Nov 2015 #56
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #63
No, just wondering and hifiguy Nov 2015 #66
The argument for safe spaces is not King's argument against segregation. kwassa Nov 2015 #69
You're not taking account of the things Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #80
Um - he's dead JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #83
What is the church, if not "self-segregation"? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #94
Yikes. cwydro Nov 2015 #58
Are you black? kwassa Nov 2015 #64
I have a bad feeling about this..... Adrahil Nov 2015 #67
If you are a member of a group, then you believe that your group deserves special treatment Democat Nov 2015 #75
Sure does.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #82
The 1890s called, kiva Nov 2015 #70
Ah yes, the 1890s. I wonder if we can look forward to... NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #87
Very interesting. I like this one almost as much as another one you put up. bravenak Nov 2015 #76
Care to elaborate? They are both worth discussing. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #85
Um? I meant what I said. bravenak Nov 2015 #86
You were very clear n/t JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #91
Thank you. Very strange how some cannot take me at my word.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #92
That is... romanic Nov 2015 #95
Just saying how much I love your ops. bravenak Nov 2015 #96
*SMH* NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #84
I've got an idea! MosheFeingold Nov 2015 #88

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. In the 70s my college dedicated an entire house to the
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:45 PM
Nov 2015

Native American program. We used it to hold meetings, to publish our own newspaper, to study together, to invite speakers for the campus (speakers did not speak in our house as it would not have been educational if it were just for us), to create a library of books about Native American subjects, to just set around and talk together and finally I suppose we could have called it a safe house.

JustAnotherGen

(31,523 posts)
59. I don't think so
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

Nephew is a 2015 Princeton grad. He crossed the color line but often time he had to choose who he went to lunch with.

I did the same thing at Niagara in the 1990's - crossed the color line but there were times I sat at a mostly white table or an all minority table.

This isn't new - its just official now.

Minority students in mostly white institutions have always done this.

I think of my friend Bernadette. She was from South Africa - 23 year old freshman. She had never sat at a white woman's table until I took her home for Columbus Day weekend. And a mixed race couple? That was shocking for her! Sh didn't even realize I was black for a few weeks. Good times! Good times. But there were limited number of biracial, quarter, 1/8 black people in South Africa at that time.

I'm probably blacksplaining - sorry . . . But these things can be complicated for white folks who don't have day to day in close living quarters with black people.

Eh - put yourself in her shoes - and understand why she might feel uncomfortable at first in an all white environment.

Now take an 18 year old who grew up in Atlantic City or Camden and drop them into Princeton NJ. They've not had much living quarters contact with white folks. It's people like me and my nephew who provide a gentle bridge. . .

But it's nothing new. It will change in 30 / 40 years as America starts looking like me - or my niece. My brother married a Puerto Rican woman. I imagine large chunks of America will look like that niece in particular at that time.

That same Princton grad nephew - just got engaged to a girl fom Honduras. Yeah - I think I was probably a Bridge to the new America which is emerging. We may actually see safe spaces for white students in a two or three generations. Anything is possible.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
74. When I went to Humboldt State, my first thought was
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:53 AM
Nov 2015

"I've never seen so many white people in my life."

And I'm white!

JustAnotherGen

(31,523 posts)
81. When I was younger I didn't notice it
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:08 AM
Nov 2015

Im 42 now. Now that I'm older - I'm aware of it.

I grew up in a small majority white town outside of Rochester NY.
I went to a parochial prep school - mostly white.

It may have given me an advantage - the ability to move easily between people who look like me and those who don't.

When I got to Niagara I think I was like - I've never gear so many French and Irish accents in my life! :rolls: Number of Irish and French Canadian foreign exchange students was big. I think the Irish fascination with black Americans and the number of those students there might have protected us a bit.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. A colleague is on the board of Scripps, one of the Claremont Colleges
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:55 PM
Nov 2015

I'll be most interested to hear what she has to say about this.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
49. Here you go.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:39 PM
Nov 2015
My initial thought is that the Claremont Independent is terrible. If you're looking for student perspectives about what's going on in Claremont, the CMC Forum and The Student Life are much better sources.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
79. Just spent some time reading the Claremont Independent
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:24 AM
Nov 2015

If even a small amount of those stories are true, then HOLY CRAP that's a lot of crazy.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
7. Do they have separate drinking fountains for whites?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:02 PM
Nov 2015

Is it "safe" for blacks and whites to share water?

Igel

(35,104 posts)
41. No.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

But having one "just for blacks" while the others are desegregated might be okay.

That's what this amounts to. Safe spaces for some groups at certain times (lic. "some not admitted&quot , but otherwise nobody's to be barred at all other times.

Sounds really crude when put that way. But I've heard this kind of thing explicitly approved of and even encouraged in schools.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
13. No...do you think that's the way the founders of the AME Church
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

understood it?

The AMEC grew out of the Free African Society (FAS) which Richard Allen, Absalom Jones, and others established in Philadelphia in 1787. When officials at St. George’s MEC pulled blacks off their knees while praying, FAS members discovered just how far American Methodists would go to enforce racial discrimination against African Americans. Hence, these members of St. George’s made plans to transform their mutual aid society into an African congregation. Although most wanted to affiliate with the Protestant Episcopal Church, Allen led a small group who resolved to remain Methodists.

In 1794 Bethel AME was dedicated with Allen as pastor. To establish Bethel’s independence from interfering white Methodists, Allen, a former Delaware slave, successfully sued in the Pennsylvania courts in 1807 and 1815 for the right of his congregation to exist as an independent institution. Because black Methodists in other middle Atlantic communities encountered racism and desired religious autonomy, Allen called them to meet in Philadelphia to form a new Wesleyan denomination, the AME.


Public spaces have always been "safe spaces" for most white people (especially men).

Public spaces have always been spaces where the majority can and do assert privilege and bigotry.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
32. So eliminate public spaces then.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015

Hell might as well go all the way and declare the entire world and everything around you is racist and evil and ready to pounce on you. This line of thinking is already been indoctrinated in black and other POC students who, instead of being taught to confront things head on, have been instead told to be afraid of everything without any rational thinking allowed.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
51. LOL
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:46 PM
Nov 2015

no one ever has a problem when white folks do these things...only it was called Jim Crow, redlining...etc., etc...

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
72. Why the fuck would you say that?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:33 AM
Nov 2015

People in the US and all over the world had a problem with it. It was what brought me to these shores.
I never thought I'd see this kind of racism again in the U.S. What a motherfucking shame!

Are you loving it?

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
73. That's it....
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:44 AM
Nov 2015

last post with you...off to my ignore list you go with all of this...oh, the horrible black people ruin EVERYTHNG for me BS.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
34. I would venture to say that the environment
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

for blacks and whites and every skin color in between is drastically different now than it was in 1794.

Far from perfect, no question, but there is no question that there have been vast improvements in the last 219 years.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
37. But I very highly doubt that whites (especially men)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

are walking around on campuses and in college town being called racial epithets...with the underlying fear and/or threat of physical harm.

There is still far from racial (or gender or sexual orientation or sexual identity, etc.) equality in public spaces. Privilege still reigns.

If it didn't, this post would not have stood here at DU.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
47. I beg to differ.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

I was called a 'Rabbit' and told to get out of a historically black university's cafeteria. All I was doing was eating lunch with my black student husband.

And that was just one example of what I went through.

Black folk can be very nasty when it comes to racism and I'm glad all this is coming to light.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
50. To a degree, you were in a situation
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

where you actually weren't racially privileged, you were in the minority

So that's not the best example...there are a lot of black people that go through what you went through.

So all it seems you can harp n is how nasty black folks can be at times...it seems you totally do not get and of the larger lessons here.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
71. I've had more fucking lessons in racism
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:49 PM
Nov 2015

than you can shake a stick at. I'm more than qualified to harp.

Here are some facts that I came away with;

1. While living in Washington DC, with black folks, my family (all black but me) experienced a shit load of racism.

2. Moving to a 99% white city out west, no one in my family, all black but me, experienced racism. People bent over backwards to be nice to us.

BTW FYI; I was called a 'rabbit', 'white Devil' etc 45 years ago in DC.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
11. if a gay group did this, would you think they are segregating?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

i could totally see and LGBT group, claiming a space in a university, and the only straight people allowed would have to be allies.

in fact several stigmatized do do that, because public space almost always belongs to the majority.

pnwmom

(108,874 posts)
23. No, because if you add the white students (43%) plus assume at least half of the
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

non-citizens are white, then the number is over 50. And that's not even counting the 6% who refused to state a race, and many of them are probably white, also. (Mixed race is another category.)

pnwmom

(108,874 posts)
33. They calculated the percents
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

in this other chart, and they said 6% of the students were "race or ethnicity unknown."

See the bottom of page 3.

http://www.cmc.edu/sites/default/files/ir/CDS_2014-15_Annotated.pdf

pnwmom

(108,874 posts)
54. I don't. But many of the foreign students are white, and most importantly,
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

the different minority groups all have different issues. African-American students have different issues than Korean-Americans.

White students are by far the single largest racial group on campus.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
90. Ahh, the ole economic argument. Dont ask someone to care about economics while
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:50 PM
Nov 2015

they are being shot at

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
42. reminds me of the little fella who righteously proclaims, "what about a WHITE history month?"
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:52 PM
Nov 2015

Reading your posts reminds me of the little fella who righteously proclaims, "why don't we have a WHITE history month!!!?" never realizing for even the smallest moment that 12 months of the year indeed a defacto white history month.

Bless your little heart... I completely understand your desire to appear as oppressed as minorities-- as long as we all realize it's merely pretense.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
12. My wife teaches at a university and my daughter attends a different university
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:42 PM
Nov 2015

This is a small percentage of students that are getting all the publicity.

Frankly, most students of all groups think they are silly too.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
48. Most college students don't waste their time with crap like this
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:30 PM
Nov 2015

They are studying.

Part of that is why you see protesters storming campus libraries and verbally accosting other students working. They are outraged no one is paying attention to them. They can't understand why students would waste time on books and such nonsense when they could be paying attention to them. So when they don't, they label it "privilege" and become angry.

Granted, the students working for their grades don't see the other side's point. But honestly, they don't have to. Because they are actually engaging in what colleges and universities exist for. To study. To learn. To question. To research. To earn a degree.

Honestly, there is a for profit future for anyone who wants to open a college for people only interested in sitting around, playing student government and protesting all day. I wish I had the capital to start it up. I'd make a killing.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
14. This is nothing new, and is standard practice many places.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015

Many here on DU choose to misinterpret it, but that is DU.

I grew up in a college town, and there was a black house where many of the black students lived. This is true at many colleges. So what?

Having a small amount of space set aside as a safe zone is no threat to free speech on college campuses. Overall free speech is not restricted in any way.

This is a non-issue. As I said before, DU is a safe speech zone. You all participate in such an environment, online.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
18. Private residences are very different from common campus spaces
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:01 PM
Nov 2015

I don't see how they can tell non-blacks that they are barred from entering college offices, coffee shops and other campus locations.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
15. It's only a matter of time until universities catch onto this.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:57 PM
Nov 2015

It's a great business opportunity to create segregated colleges.

Socially, not such a good idea, but businesswise (which colleges are) it's genius.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
17. This article title is totally misleading, by the way.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:59 PM
Nov 2015

The safe spaces don't segregate the college overall, only in a few select places and times, and they are segregated by speech, not by race.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
24. You need to re-read my note.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

I said it was not about segregation of the college overall.

Respond to what I write, please.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
26. I cannot see how this is beneficial:
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:08 PM
Nov 2015
“While you may want to invite a white friend or ally, to make this a safe and comfortable space for other POC, we ask that you do not.”


This is certainly a good thing:

“This show’s intent is to create a space that is pro-POC, pro-black, and anti-white supremacist,”


but the assumption that the presence of a white person - an ally, even - automatically undermines this goal is counter-productive.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
29. My son is currently a student at Pomona college.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:10 PM
Nov 2015

Looking forward to discussing this with him over thanksgiving.

Personally I think this is a bad idea, but college is a time for self discovery and expirementation.

Some (many) of these kids will have grown up going to majority white high schools and this may the the first time they can explore their identity without reference to the majority white culture.

Our family is "mixed race" and even in the context of a supportive and loving family, race can be a fraught topic. Respecting my black family's experience while balancing being a supportive ally without co-opting it takes balance, love, and trust on all sides.

I'm not surprised that the smart students at Pomona and other Claremont schools will take some time to get the balance right when working with relative strangers. I respect the journey they are on and the conversation they are having, even if I am impatient for them the get to the "right" answer, ("right" in my own opinion, of course).

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
35. you have exactly the right perspective on this IMO
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

students are going to do what students do: push boundaries, try out new ideas, etc. There's nothing wrong with that and none of it should be unfamiliar to anyone who went to college any time in the past 50 years. I'm frankly thrilled that students WANT to take political stands now even when I find some of them untenable.

flamingdem

(39,294 posts)
36. I think it's a step backwards
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:34 PM
Nov 2015

Possibly necessary but to me what is important is to look for common ground. Not focus on differences.

Universities are full of identity bullshit politics, how about some humanistic interaction as a solution that doesn't exclude anyone.

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
43. The rest of the university is a safe space for white students
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 04:55 PM
Nov 2015

But black students get a small one of their own and it's the end of the world.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
52. Ironic isn't it?
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

Young people protesting for what many of their ancestors risked their lives (and some who died) fighting to abolish. I wonder if safe lunch counters, water fountains and restrooms will be on the list of demands soon too.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
55. You don't get it.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

You would do well to listen to WHAT they are talking about, rather than getting upset about imaginary segregation.

This is one more example of white people knowing what is best for black people.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
57. Yeah, I know.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:14 PM
Nov 2015

Because I could never, ever begin to understand.... blah.. blah.. blah. blah blah infinity.

And I'd put money on the fact that you don't get a lot of things either. But live and learn young person, and come talk to me in about 20 or 30 years.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
60. You should know better ...
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:22 PM
Nov 2015

At your advanced age than to assume you know something you don't.

Speaking as an old guy.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
65. As I said, blah blah blah infinity
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:59 PM
Nov 2015

"You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...." "You don't get it. You can never begin...."

After a while, the meme just gets ignored.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
56. i wonder what Doctor King would think of this.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:08 PM
Nov 2015

I doubt it would be anything good or complimentary.

I can't imagine self-segregation would be an idea he would support.

Response to hifiguy (Reply #56)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
66. No, just wondering and
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:42 PM
Nov 2015

Offering a small conjecture based on things he very famously and bravely said. No more.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
69. The argument for safe spaces is not King's argument against segregation.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:50 PM
Nov 2015

You are conflating two different ideas. Many are doing that here, on the Safe Space named DU.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
80. You're not taking account of the things
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:15 AM
Nov 2015

that he not so famously said, especially about white liberals.

Read "Racism and the White Backlash" and get back with me, mmmm'kay?

JustAnotherGen

(31,523 posts)
83. Um - he's dead
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

I'm not one for that new age stuff - but you could always reach out to a medium for assistance.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
58. Yikes.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 08:17 PM
Nov 2015

I'm so glad I went to college back in the day.

We intermingled, we argued, we loved each other, hated each other, slept together, wrote articles about each other saying EXACTLY what we thought...wow, we all survived it.

I came out in my college newspaper, and I was shunned by some of my gay friends. I had no problems with any straight classmates whatsoever.

But I didn't have a "safe space", nor did I feel I needed one.

These kids seem to be very fragile.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
67. I have a bad feeling about this.....
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:44 PM
Nov 2015

Restricting access to public spaces based in this manner is asking for trouble.

What's the basis for determining who "deserves" a permanent safe space.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
75. If you are a member of a group, then you believe that your group deserves special treatment
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:54 AM
Nov 2015

Other groups do not.

Does that sound familiar?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
82. Sure does....
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:38 AM
Nov 2015

But I'm not arguing against all so-called special teatment. Here, I am specifically focused on what appears to be nothing less than segregated spaces.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
85. Care to elaborate? They are both worth discussing.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:37 PM
Nov 2015

This is GD, not a "group" where any real discussion is immediately shut down.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
95. That is...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

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Got nothing to do with out I feel about students trying to segregate themselves "to feel safe" instead of banding together to fight racial bias on campus - a place where separating ones self shouldn't happen.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
88. I've got an idea!
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

Let's have separate drinking fountains for coloreds!

And make whites sit in the front of buses and blacks in the back!

And maybe different spots in the lecture halls for different races, like maybe the balcony for blacks!

Heck, why not different schools entirely?!

Separate is better than equal!

(Sorry for the bitter sarcasm.)

I didn't participate in the Civil Rights movement to have everything we accomplished pissed away by a bunch of cry babies in college.

They don't need "safe places." They need to be drafted in the the Marines or the Peace Corp or some such and go dig latrines.

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