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Archae

(47,245 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:08 PM Nov 2015

Anti-vaccination? Check. Anti-GMO? Check. Absolute loon? Check.

"Dem science-ers iz SCARY!"

#1524: Vicky DeBold

The National Vaccine Information Center is a deranged hub of conspiracy theorists devoted to the promotion of pseudo-scientific denialism about vaccines. Being that organization’s director of research and safety is not anything to be proud of and if you, like Vicky DeBold, hold that position while being an RN and a PhD, your career has taken a serious wrong turn at some point. In fact, DeBold has, according to her bio at NVIC, extensive experience “as an ICU nurse, health care administrator, health policy analyst and research scientist primarily focusing on pediatrics and patient safety.” At present, she is even “Research Scientist and Affiliate Faculty member at George Mason University in the Health Administration and Policy Department where she teaches Health Services Research Methods and Introduction to the US Healthcare System.”

Yet the NVIC remains one of the most influential anti-vaccine organizations in the US, and DeBold is an anti-vaxxer. Crankery rarely comes in isolation, however, and like many anti-vaxxers, DeBold is apparently also attracted to the anti-GMO movement – after all, anti-GMO crackpottery is also often characterized by fallacious appeals to nature, and tends to rely on strikingly similar types of misinformation and pseudo- or bad science to attack GMOs as the anti-vaccine movement uses to attack vaccines. And when you’re both antivaxx and a GMO-conspiracy theorist, there’s at least one move that you can’t resist: According to DeBold, you should be deeply concerned about those GM vaccines, some of which are already on the CDC’s recommended vaccine schedule. Frankenvaccines, really. And it doesn’t matter what science, evidence or tests say – intuitions tell DeBold that such unnatural abominations can be nothing but unholy: Foreign DNA will contaminate your child’s precious bodily fluids and affect your child’s essence, or something. “I think the use of foreign DNA in various forms has a potential to cause a great deal of trouble. Not only because there is the potential for it to recombine with our own DNA, but there is the potential for it to turn the DNA’s switches, the epigenetic parts of the DNA, on and off.” And the proposed mechanism by which this is supposed to happen? Black magick, it seems. Certainly there are few other alternatives.

http://americanloons.blogspot.ca/2015/11/1524-vicky-debold.html

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CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
5. I did a quick google search and it seems that there are a lot of links selling this theory. I'm
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:48 PM
Nov 2015

posting a link to a Poll done by National Geographic on differences of opinion between people and scientists on key issues.

It would appear that 68% of people polled felt that childhood vaccination should be required and only 37% felt that eating GMO foods was safe. The corresponding gaps on the issues with scientists polled was 18% (childhood vaccine) and 51% (are GMO's safe to eat)

Personally, I don't agree that there is a link between mindsets on these two topics and I offer the National Geo poll as one proof point.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/150129-public-opinion-aaas-health-education-science/

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
6. Opinion polls are not science.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:21 PM
Nov 2015

Science says vaccines do *NOT* cause autism.
But anti-vaccination loons like RFK Jr, Jenny McCarthy and the woman in the OP still say that they do.
"To hell with science, what *WE* know is the trVth!"

GMO plants and animals are *NOT* "poison."
Jeffrey Smith can go back to his Maharishi Yogi "university" where he got his degree and preach to his heart's content to the other kooks.

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
8. There are far too many anti-vaxxers who are anti-GMO as well.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

This is a hostility toward science, shared by creationists, anti-global climate change deniers, etc.

CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
9. They may just be nuts, but the stats don't show
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:46 PM
Nov 2015

that a majority of people who think that GMO foods may be bad are anti-vaccine

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
15. The majority of those who fear GMOs may not be anti-vaccine, but...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:27 PM
Nov 2015

... the data you show indicates that it's likely that a far higher percentage of anti-GMO people are anti-vaccine than those who follow the science on GMOs. Heck, just from a plausibility standpoint, one can figure that is quite likely.

MH1

(19,156 posts)
11. The "safe to eat GMO" is a RED HERRING.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

The reason most anti-GMO people are anti-GMO (in my experience, sorry I don't have statistics) is THE EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND OTHER SPECIES.

It has not one fucking thing to do with whether eating it will make me sick directly.



I would probably not even answer that poll question because the meaning of the word "safe" could be ambiguous.

On the other hand if the question were whether GMO foods should be labeled, that would make a lot more sense, and probably have a significantly different result.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
16. Since GMOs reduce pesticide use, and allow for the use of less toxic herbicides.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015

I'm not sure if what you're saying makes sense. It might be the "reason" claimed, but it's not necessarily a valid reason.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
10. Vaccinations and GMO's are completely different issues, but the pro-GMO people
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:58 PM
Nov 2015

want to link them because they know the vast majority of people support vaccinations, for good, scientific reasons.

That's what is going on here.

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
12. Read the OP article. Again.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:40 PM
Nov 2015

This is a woman who is anti-vaccine, *AND* anti-GMO.

And to date, both the anti-vaccine and anti-GMO people use the same M. O. in their attacks on both.

Anti-science.
"Shills" for the companies.
Baseless accusations that have nothing to back them up.
Flat-out lies.

And so on...

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
13. So? Just because that person is against them both doesn't mean anything. Most people who have
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:59 PM
Nov 2015

reservations about GMO's are solidly pro-vaccines.

My concern is about individual GMO's -- especially the ones that were designed to withstand Roundup. Just because some GMO's are safe doesn't mean that all the GMO plants are safe to eat; not if they absorbed large amounts of Roundup or similar pesticides.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
17. Exactly.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:36 PM
Nov 2015

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And, interestingly, the trend follows all-too often at DU.

There is no reason that any fear directed at biotech crops cannot be applied to the spontaneous or induced mutations that are the basis of conventional breeding. It is common practice in agriculture to expose seeds to high doses of radiation to induce mutations, then grow out the products of those mutations, and see if any good changes emerge. Ruby Red Grapefruit, for example, was developed in this way. How do we know what hidden mutations lie in the Ruby Red DNA? Short answer: we don't. No one knows if there are any long-term health effects or environmental effects to this sloppy method of inducing mutations for conventional breeding, and there are over 3,000 such varieties. Furthermore, no testing is required or performed. The genes are not mapped. The crops are not tested. And, here's a funny bit: such plants can be certified "Organic" so long as they are grown by approved organic methods. It's scientifically ridiculous.

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