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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:17 PM Nov 2015

Fired babysitter leaves toddler on street, naked, cigarette burned, head shaved

The Hamilton Police Department says 21-year-old Abigail Hanna has been charged with kidnapping, assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon, assault and battery on a child, and breaking and entering.

Hanna is the former babysitter of Lyndon Albers, a 2-year-old who was reported missing early Friday morning.

Albers was found several hours later 8 miles away in Rowley by a couple driving to work.

She was found naked and covered in leaves, according to sources and had cigarette burns on her body. Her head was also shaved.

Albers was first taken to Beverly Hospital where she was listed in fair condition. She was later transferred to Boston Children's Hospital where she is currently being treated.

http://www.whdh.com/story/30567505/sources-former-family-babysitter-being-questioned-in-hamilton-toddler-case


Lyndon's parents told police they last saw her at around 3am at their home in Hamilton, Massachusetts. They reported her missing at 7am.

She was shivering from the cold and sitting in a pile of leaves with a bruise on her newly shaved head when she was spotted by Tom and Marge Crosby, who were driving to their boutique in Amesbury at the time.

Tom Crosby said it was a 'vision; that compelled him to turn his car around after spotting the child in the road.
'I don’t want to say a vision but that’s what it was — a vision,' he told the Boston Herald. 'I drove by and then quickly it flashed through my head. I said ‘Was that a baby or was it a doll?’'

They couple bundled the child into their car and gave her a blanket as they waited for police.

'She was alert but had a big contusion on her head,' his wife Marge added to WHDH.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328279/Police-charge-former-babysitter-21-abducting-two-year-old-girl-naked-cigarette-burns-body-shaved-head-road-vanishing-middle-night.html#ixzz3s9vBSGGr
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Fired babysitter leaves toddler on street, naked, cigarette burned, head shaved (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 OP
That idiot needs to be locked up for a very long time. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #1
What idiot? Warpy Nov 2015 #29
You got a link to that info? Flying Squirrel Nov 2015 #33
Try the one in the OP Warpy Nov 2015 #36
It says plain as day that she's being held without bail Flying Squirrel Nov 2015 #37
it's been a developing story. She's been arrested, charged and is being held magical thyme Nov 2015 #47
Good. No bail is good in this case Warpy Nov 2015 #55
It could be for her own protection. lpbk2713 Nov 2015 #57
All I can say- ruffburr Nov 2015 #2
WTF? sakabatou Nov 2015 #3
That'll show 'em, Abigail Hannah. You can celebrate your cleverness in about 20 years. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #4
Sounds like a Dahmer in the making, only worse. merrily Nov 2015 #5
Oh My goodness! The accused is a pretty blonde white girl! alphafemale Nov 2015 #6
How did I know someone one posted some stupid shit like this melman Nov 2015 #13
She will not be charged as she should. alphafemale Nov 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #38
Seriously? Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #39
Massachusetts law -- maximum for each of the charges totals 60 years magical thyme Nov 2015 #56
But after all, the victim was a privileged little white girl herself Shankapotomus Nov 2015 #40
BS. Held without bail, charged with kidnapping,assault & battery w/dangerous weapon, assault & batt magical thyme Nov 2015 #48
What kind of stupid fucking shit is this?? nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #45
oh, don't you know? Skittles Nov 2015 #58
Shes clearly mentally ill, she needs treatment and therapy not imprisonment 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #7
Well played. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #8
Yes for about 40 years or so... Kalidurga Nov 2015 #9
I don't think she's mentally ill. Some people are just ASSHOLES. MADem Nov 2015 #15
The articles do not list any reason that they think it is the babysitter. patricia92243 Nov 2015 #10
She was charged with kidnapping. Police must have some idea it was her. nt valerief Nov 2015 #11
she was fired by the parents shanti Nov 2015 #12
Ruin the pretty white girls life? alphafemale Nov 2015 #19
Why are you... TeeYiYi Nov 2015 #23
I'm playing the race card? alphafemale Nov 2015 #32
Hmmm, obsessed with the race of the suspect. kiva Nov 2015 #35
nutcase Skittles Nov 2015 #59
Your responses in this thread is what a "fucked concept" looks like flying. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #46
If the suspect were the Carlos the landscaper, there'd be fewer doubts of the prosecutors story. nt lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #25
I dunno. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #27
Haters gotta hate, huh? notadmblnd Nov 2015 #54
the police are being "tight-lipped" per the article. Possible motive -- recently fired. nt magical thyme Nov 2015 #49
She should be charged with attempted murder. Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #16
Not to mention the child was naked and exposed to the elements. herding cats Nov 2015 #18
I saw this on the local news this morning. All I could think about was thank god smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #17
Horrible in so many ways. trumad Nov 2015 #20
I think he meant that his brain couldn't process what it saw.. toddler outside alone Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #21
I took it as some sort of religious vision... trumad Nov 2015 #22
He clearly says he saw the actual kid, but wasn't sure if it was a baby or a doll. LisaL Nov 2015 #24
exactly. it takes a minute for your rational mind to process the image in your brain. magical thyme Nov 2015 #50
Monster MoonRiver Nov 2015 #26
article does not say how perp got access to the child . peculiar nt msongs Nov 2015 #28
Another article says she broke into the house exboyfil Nov 2015 #31
Hamilton is a 1%er neighborhood. She's going to need a team of fancy lawyers magical thyme Nov 2015 #51
Will be an interesting test case to follow exboyfil Nov 2015 #30
1%er toddler as victim? Affluenza won't fly... magical thyme Nov 2015 #52
You have to admit, as far as revenge ploys go, the babysitter was thorough. randome Nov 2015 #34
It's surreal, I've found her facebook page ck4829 Nov 2015 #41
The premeditation and successive abusive acts to a child deserves a very long sentence aikoaiko Nov 2015 #42
Now we know why she was fired. AwakeAtLast Nov 2015 #43
Would not be surprised to learn Tipperary Nov 2015 #44
How could this even be? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #53

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
29. What idiot?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015

The site said the former babysitter is cooperating and that the cops haven't even named her a person of interest.

It's hard to wrap one's head around the fact that there is a dirtbag out there who would torture a toddler and then leave her to die of exposure. She was just so lucky that couple noticed her in that leaf pile.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
37. It says plain as day that she's being held without bail
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:28 AM
Nov 2015

Thay don't hold someone who's not even a person of interest without bail. It also listed the charges against her.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
47. it's been a developing story. She's been arrested, charged and is being held
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:41 PM
Nov 2015

without bail. Serious charges.

The Hamilton Police Department says 21-year-old Abigail Hanna has been charged with kidnapping, assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon, assault and battery on a child, and breaking and entering.

The suspect Abigail Hannah is being held without bail.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
55. Good. No bail is good in this case
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:24 PM
Nov 2015

Anybody who thinks it's a good idea to do that needs to be in a cage. Period.

lpbk2713

(43,273 posts)
57. It could be for her own protection.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:10 PM
Nov 2015



If she is as disturbed as news reports suggest she could cause herself serious harm.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
2. All I can say-
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

What a Bitch, Lock her up in a mental institution, Keep her away from Children for ever more.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
4. That'll show 'em, Abigail Hannah. You can celebrate your cleverness in about 20 years.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

Dumbass.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Sounds like a Dahmer in the making, only worse.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:28 PM
Nov 2015

Not to find a bright side of Dahmer, but at least he didn't torture babies. .

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
6. Oh My goodness! The accused is a pretty blonde white girl!
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:32 PM
Nov 2015

We must not let this silly momentary lapse in judgement have any impact on her life.

This event will be erased.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
13. How did I know someone one posted some stupid shit like this
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:06 PM
Nov 2015

before I even opened the thread? Either I'm a psychic or DU is pathetically predictable.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
14. She will not be charged as she should.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:10 PM
Nov 2015

She should be jailed for life.

She will not serve any real time.

We can't ruin the life of a pretty little white girl.

Response to alphafemale (Reply #14)

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
39. Seriously?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:40 AM
Nov 2015

Rapists and murderers are not usually jailed for life unless there are aggravating factors (a quick google search suggests the mean sentences are 8 and 20 years respectively, although I wouldn't bet my house on those numbers being correct).

If it turns out that she's guilty, a non-custodial sentence would not be appropriate, but nor would a jail term significantly into double figures (although 10 years might be).

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
56. Massachusetts law -- maximum for each of the charges totals 60 years
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:53 PM
Nov 2015

Whoever, without lawful authority, forcibly or secretly confines or imprisons another person within this commonwealth against his will, or forcibly carries or sends such person out of this commonwealth, or forcibly seizes and confines or inveigles or kidnaps another person, with intent either to cause him to be secretly confined or imprisoned in this commonwealth against his will, or to cause him to be sent out of this commonwealth against his will or in any way held to service against his will, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than ten years
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section26

(iv) is 18 years of age or older and, by means of a dangerous weapon, commits an assault and battery upon a child under the age of 14;
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 15 years
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section15a

''Substantial bodily injury'', bodily injury which creates a permanent disfigurement, protracted loss or impairment of a function of a body member, limb or organ, or substantial risk of death.
Whoever commits an assault and battery upon a child and by such assault and battery causes substantial bodily injury shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than fifteen years
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section13J
A toddler dumped by the side of a state highway is at substantial risk of death. If she hadn't been seen, she could have died of exposure. If she'd crawled into the street, obviously she could have been run over. She could have been killed by the fall if they threw her out of the car (as has been suggested in some articles).

Section 16. Whoever, in the night time, breaks and enters a building, ship, vessel or vehicle, with intent to commit a felony
whether he succeeds or fails in the perpetration of such larceny or felony, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than twenty years

Up to 60 years based on the charges listed in the article. All of those are the maximums; there also were significantly lesser possible charges with fines. Given the circumstances -- premeditation, vengeance, the age of the victim, I expect they'll go for something closer to the maximum.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
40. But after all, the victim was a privileged little white girl herself
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:30 AM
Nov 2015

They have it way too easy. Maybe this will toughen her up.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
48. BS. Held without bail, charged with kidnapping,assault & battery w/dangerous weapon, assault & batt
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:50 PM
Nov 2015

ery on a child, and breaking and entering.


The Hamilton Police Department says 21-year-old Abigail Hanna has been charged with kidnapping, assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon, assault and battery on a child, and breaking and entering.

The suspect Abigail Hannah is being held without bail.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. I don't think she's mentally ill. Some people are just ASSHOLES.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

Let's forgive George Bush, he was "mentally ill," he didn't mean to do all those bad things.

Twenty to life, no possibility of early parole.

patricia92243

(12,975 posts)
10. The articles do not list any reason that they think it is the babysitter.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

It will be horrible if it is not her and they ruin her life with false publicity, etc.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
19. Ruin the pretty white girls life?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

All she did was attempted torture murder of a child as revenge for being fired.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
23. Why are you...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

...so hell bent on trying to bring race into this thread? There's nothing racial about it, but you're sure giving it your best shot...

alphafemale (15,334 posts)
6. Oh My goodness! The accused is a pretty blonde white girl!

We must not let this silly momentary lapse in judgement have any impact on her life.

This event will be erased.
_______

alphafemale (15,334 posts)
14. She will not be charged as she should.

She should be jailed for life.

She will not serve any real time.

We can't ruin the life of a pretty little white girl.
______

alphafemale (15,334 posts)

19. Ruin the pretty white girls life?

All she did was attempted torture murder of a child as revenge for being fired.

Not sure what your motive is, but it's pretty offensive. You sound obsessed.

TYY
 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
32. I'm playing the race card?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:36 PM
Nov 2015

Go float that concrete balloon and see how high that fucked concept flies.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
35. Hmmm, obsessed with the race of the suspect.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:34 PM
Nov 2015

Check.

Every post in the thread mentions the race of the suspect.
Check.

Gets irrationally angry when someone points out that obsession.
Check.

Yup, I'm thinking that balloon floats just fine.

And it is horrific that anyone would do that to a child.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
25. If the suspect were the Carlos the landscaper, there'd be fewer doubts of the prosecutors story. nt
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:04 PM
Nov 2015
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
49. the police are being "tight-lipped" per the article. Possible motive -- recently fired. nt
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:55 PM
Nov 2015
 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
16. She should be charged with attempted murder.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:35 PM
Nov 2015

The child could have walked into traffic, froze - anything. I hope she has no memory of it all asap.

herding cats

(20,049 posts)
18. Not to mention the child was naked and exposed to the elements.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:53 PM
Nov 2015

Death by hypothermia in temps around 40F in such a small child was a real possibility.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. I saw this on the local news this morning. All I could think about was thank god
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:44 PM
Nov 2015

the child was found alive! What a sick person! That woman needs to do some serious prison time and probably needs some psychological help as well. The parents must have been frantic!

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
20. Horrible in so many ways.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:28 PM
Nov 2015

The "vision' thing kind of cracked me up. Uhhh-the vision was seeing the baby.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
21. I think he meant that his brain couldn't process what it saw.. toddler outside alone
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015
 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
22. I took it as some sort of religious vision...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:31 PM
Nov 2015

Either way I'm glad he had that vision.

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
24. He clearly says he saw the actual kid, but wasn't sure if it was a baby or a doll.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:54 PM
Nov 2015
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
50. exactly. it takes a minute for your rational mind to process the image in your brain.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015

You're driving by, you see something familiar in your peripheral vision, wait...whut?

Leave it to Daily Mail to try to make it a religious vision...

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
31. Another article says she broke into the house
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:23 PM
Nov 2015

at night. That signifies premeditation and a conscious plan.

Spiteful revenge with poor impulse control. If you don't have a fancy lawyer, that is usually 20+ years.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
51. Hamilton is a 1%er neighborhood. She's going to need a team of fancy lawyers
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

and with a toddler as her victim, that won't be enough either.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
30. Will be an interesting test case to follow
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

and see if justice is blind. Maybe they are gearing up her version of the affluenza defense.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. You have to admit, as far as revenge ploys go, the babysitter was thorough.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:03 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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ck4829

(37,760 posts)
41. It's surreal, I've found her facebook page
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:49 AM
Nov 2015

It certainly doesn't scream child abductor; full of photos of a smiling young woman, she seems normal, lives a good life, a world traveler, experience with working with children before this, engaged, good education, etc.

We worry about the terrorist, there is a fear of the Muslim, yet someone our culture deems beautiful, normal, and conforming to society's standards can also snap.

aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
42. The premeditation and successive abusive acts to a child deserves a very long sentence
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:59 AM
Nov 2015

Very long.

PatrickforO

(15,425 posts)
53. How could this even be?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:24 PM
Nov 2015

How could a young lady who seemingly has everything going for her do THIS? That she has the idea that if you're fired from a sitter position, you can go and kidnap the child, burn them with cigarettes, shave their head and leave them naked in the cold to somehow get back at her parents shows this young woman is a sociopath who is profoundly self-centered and incapable of experiencing any kind of empathy for anyone else. It is a lower plane of existence for sure and she needs to be institutionalized because there's no cure for sociopathy and she'll do this kind of thing again.

Abigail Hannah is being held without bail, so that's good, and she will probably be pressured to plea bargain to save the state from an expensive trial, but she'll still do some years behind bars. I'm equally sure her family is paying for the best attorney they can afford and that might be a pretty good one. Also Abigail is good looking and the 2-year-old lived, so it might not be that many years.

***

That said, another stream of thought showed up in this post. This stream of thought asks the question, legitimately I believe, how things would be for this defendant if she were a person of color. And that's true, because the news is filled with stories of black kids who weren't doing anything wrong, but fell into the hands of cops and 'mysteriously' died. How would it be, then, for a person of color who is accused of something heinous like this?

Would things go tougher on her? Would she survive until the trial? Or would the plea bargain she was forced into be more severe?

Statistically, people of color tend to be sentenced more severely than white people for the same crimes.

Though some were dismissive of this train of thought, these are legitimate questions whether or not you believe they belong in this post. At least I believe so, because I think institutional racism should be something we're all aware of at all times.

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