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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 04:45 PM Nov 2015

About That GOTV Thingy... 'Quiet Desperation and American Fascism' - HuffPo

Quiet Desperation and American Fascism
Robert Kuttner - HuffPo
Posted: 11/22/2015 9:59 pm EST Updated: 15 minutes ago


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There's a must-read article if you want to understand why Democrats are losing the support of low income people who benefit from government programs like Medicaid and food stamps and logically should vote for Democrats based on pocketbook interests.

Alec MacGillis, of ProPublica, writing in the New York Times Sunday Review, observes that for the most part, the poor aren't defecting to Republicans -- they are not voting at all: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/opinion/sunday/who-turned-my-blue-state-red.html?_r=0

His exhibit A is eastern Kentucky, one of America's poorest and most government-dependent regions. But the poor are so marginalized and disaffected that they are disconnected from civic life entirely.

Looking more broadly, MacGillis reports that non-voters are far more likely than voters to have incomes under $30,000, not to have health insurance, not to have bank accounts, to have received government aid such as food stamps, to have borrowed money from relatives.

As if to confirm MacGillis's point, consider Saturday's Louisiana gubernatorial election. Remarkably, the Democrat actually won. All it took was a thoroughly disgraced and corrupt Republican opponent in David Vitter, who consorted with prostitutes, and an outgoing incumbent Republican incumbent, Bobby Jindal, who was a national joke.

How often can Democrats expect that sort of harmonic convergence? Not very. Even so, Democrat John Bel Williams, a Catholic social conservative with a military background, only won 56 percent of the vote.

But the deeper story is in the turnout. Louisiana has 3,536,185 people of voting age. In the 2012 presidential election, 1,152,262 -- less than a third -- turned out to vote. Four years ago, in the gubernatorial election that Jindal won by a landslide, just 673,239 voted. This time, only 444,517 bothered--about one in eight eligible voters. Williams was elected governor with the support of about nine percent of the Louisiana electorate.

A lot of the people who stay home would vote for Democrats if they bothered to vote at all. This problem goes far deeper than better techniques for getting out the vote. It reflects a massive decay of civil society, a deep disinterest and contempt for government and politics, one that often seems richly earned.

This is also the soil in which fascism grows...

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/quiet-desperation-and-ame_b_8625538.html







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About That GOTV Thingy... 'Quiet Desperation and American Fascism' - HuffPo (Original Post) WillyT Nov 2015 OP
You know what we need to fix this? Middle class tax cuts! jeff47 Nov 2015 #1
Yeah, That'll Do It... WillyT Nov 2015 #2
I had a thread here a while back explaining this nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #3
And Some Of It Seems By Design... WillyT Nov 2015 #4
The last thing oligarchies need are actual real nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #5
Yep. Kabuki elections, like those in this country, hifiguy Nov 2015 #6
Starting in 2009 with a student revolt nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #7
The national major media hifiguy Nov 2015 #8
Alas not just national media nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #9
Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #10
Kicked for the intelligence herein... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #11
+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #12
Okay! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #13
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. I had a thread here a while back explaining this
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:04 PM
Nov 2015

I have heard this in the flesh ten ways to Sunday. But apparently some folks who know better corected me. See, what I am hearing in the field is sheer fantasy...

Do I really need the thingy?

If these serious people tell me the sun is out, the sky is blue and the NWS just issued a water advisory in San Diego I am sorry but I will have to check all that myself. Yup, to that point

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. The last thing oligarchies need are actual real
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

Elections. They are fine with pretend ones though. Dictators need actual pretend ones with 98 percent turnout, 100 would be better but people do get sick, with 100 percent voting for the dictator.

Inverted totalitarian, a form of modern oligarchy, prefers to keep the skeleton going. I accept it. I vote because I like to pretend it still matters. Trust me, I know better.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. Yep. Kabuki elections, like those in this country,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

where you get to vote for the oligarchy/MIIC controlled puppet of their choice, put enough of a sheen on legitimacy on the results to keep the Neo-Fascist project rolling forward no matter who is elected. The sheeple remain quiet, baaing occasionally but continuing to march towards the slaughterhouse they don't even believe exists.

And that is the point of the exercise. The labels no longer mean anything substantive. The Neo-fascist machine has been grinding on for 52 years now with absolutely nothing to slow it down.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Starting in 2009 with a student revolt
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:31 PM
Nov 2015

In California, but really with Occupy, the pushback has begun. The Fight for 15 is about that. My local renters getting together and taking in landlords and city hall is about that.

Most large media does not report on this. After all, it is rather...well inconvenient.

So is BLM and a slew of other pieces of well pushback locally we are seeing groups that usually are at each other's throats (I mean literally) not just pull back from that but start to work together.

Will you hear this in sensible places like well DU...perish the though CNN or your local news? You got to be kidding me.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. The national major media
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:38 PM
Nov 2015

are nothing but an anaesthetic propaganda tool. Keep the sheeple sedated unless you need to stir them up against a phony 'enemy."



And then there's the other prong:



And those men are the guiding lights of our own oligarchy.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. Alas not just national media
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:09 PM
Nov 2015

If you watch local media you would think, incorrectly mind you, that crime is off the charts. This is far from accidental. For the record, it's the lowest it's been sncs the 1960s or 70s depending on the offense.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
11. Kicked for the intelligence herein...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:10 AM
Nov 2015

Frankly, I'm ready to stop wasting my time in some of these other threads... I never get to the point about what's happening to all of us while we are foaming at the mouth.

How IS IT (rhetorical question) that we've gone from this latest Paris act of terror to the high heeled chorus line of John McCains dancing around again to another bomb Iran parody?

The unbelievable dead end of media - local and corporate networks/high end cable (exception seems to be Al Jazeera, BBC America) reporting dutifully about what we should fear Sunday through Saturday now.

Godamnit.



 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
12. + 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!!
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:19 AM
Nov 2015

BTW...

Never forget The WillyT Food Fight Formula...

Equation: DU -> "Latest Threads Tab -> Most Discussed Tab...

That's where all the real food fights happen.

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