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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI visited Dad today...
It's been a year and half or so since he died. It hasn't been easy. I miss him.
He died because of Agent Orange. It ravaged his body the latter part of his years and left him skin and bones - as he lost considerable amount of weight and struggled keeping food down. His death was painful. He ached. He had nightmares. He had an infection somewhere in his body and the doctors couldn't ever really pinpoint the cause. He suffered from PTSD, which resulted in violent episodes, and memory loss due to his brain atrophy because of Agent Orange.
Finally, one day, his body just couldn't take it anymore. He slipped away, fell into a deep sleep, and never awoke again. In November, 2010, Dad passed on, free of pain - free of the hell Vietnam jailed him in all these years.
My hope is that he's now in heaven, relaxed, watching his wrestling and Green Bay Packers and just enjoying life in the carefree manner I remember so well before Vietnam finally caught up to him decades after he left her jungles.
So, on this Memorial Day, I think we should not only remember those who died serving their country, but those who died years later, decades later, a generation later, because of the scars and wounds and disorders inflicted on them so many years ago.
Dad didn't die in Vietnam. He brought that war home with him, though, and it eventually caught up to him. And I know he's not the only one. I know there are thousands of veterans out there, men who have families like my own, who are battling the same problems, the cancer fears, the nightmares, the memory loss, the nerve damage, that my dad battled the last 15 or so years of his life. To them, to their families, I say God Bless You because it is isn't easy watching someone you love waste away to nothing before eventually departing God's Green Earth.
My dad had just turned 58 when he died. He was supposed to have so much time ahead of him. My mom and him had planned so many adventures - buying an RV and traveling across the country, finally visiting the Vietnam War Memorial that he so wanted to see before he died. It wasn't meant to be, though. He didn't even make 60. And now my mom is a widow, left asking 'why' and the hardest, most damning thing about it, no one can answer her. No one can explain why she had to watch her husband of almost 30 years die a slow and painful death decades after supposedly returning home from Vietnam safely. No one can explain what it was for. The answers are too few and yet, the questions too many.
But we continue, in Dad's honor. Hoping that, a few decades from now, another veteran, another family, doesn't have to go through the heartache we've endured, that they're not left asking questions that can't be answered - that some boy's father will live to see 60 and then can travel with his wife of 30 years across this great country. Because don't they deserve that? After all they gave? Didn't Dad deserve better?
digonswine
(1,485 posts)He did deserve better
snacker
(3,619 posts)and for all the sacrifices men and women like your father made, we remain eternally grateful. Today, I remember my Dad, US Army in World War II who passed away in 1991, my grandfather, US Navy, WWI, who passed away in 1974, and my cousin, US Navy, Vietnam War who lost his life in 1969 (the day before my high school graduation) when the USS Frank E. Evans collided with an Australian aircraft carrier and was cut in half. I love you, Dad.
gateley
(62,683 posts)He knows.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)spanone
(135,823 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It is a noble and powerful thing you have written here; a wonderful tribute to your dad, and a stark reminder of why wars are hell.
Peace to you. And to all of us.
Thank you.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)And seeing your images of the plaque and his photo - well, I just can't...
I'm posting a lot today because Mr. pig and his older brother both served in Nam. The brother kept reupping to keep Mr. pig out of combat, but Mr. pig went anyway and flew 400 missions with the Marine air wing.
This was over 40 years ago, and both of them suffer to this day.
Thank you for posting an eloquent account. And adding your images (your dad was a handsome guy and so YOUNG) makes it all the more heartbreaking.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)shared with us. I am touched beyond words. Thank you. Congratulations on having such a man to call Father. And so, so sorry for the loss and the heartache you ALL had to bear on behalf of a war that never should have been. You are not alone, nor was he, although I'm certain it felt like it and probably still does.
Thank you for sharing this.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Yes he may of come back with all his body but the scares never left him. I know how you feel about your dad. You know my father-in-law was in WWII, Korea and VN. He said VN was the worst experience. My mother-in-law said if he didn't put in his retirement papers she would leave him. So after 24 yrs he finally did put those papers in. No sooner did it happen orders came down for another tour of duty in VN. Thank god he didn't have to go back. He was there at the beginning when he was a trainner. He said we wouldn't win this war because the citizens didn't have the fire in the belly. I honestly don't know how he came out ok. My father was in WWII, Korea and VN before we even started building up there. He use to sleep with a baseball bat. You had to watch how you woke him up. These are things that are left over from wars. I am sorry for your pain. Many people keep that pain within and they shouldn't.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Mr. pig is the gentlest, most compassionate soul I've known.
Yet in his sleep he punched me in the face, "stabbed" me in the chest and kicked my legs until they bruised.
It wasn't spousal abuse. He didn't know he was doing it. When he woke up he'd describe a dream in detail about someone attacking him. I can't remember a dream 5 seconds after awakening, but he had an entire account of someone tracking him, stealing food, pulling a knife on him...always in Nam.
I hate war. And I have to say the VA has provided constant supportive counseling and has the most compassionate health care workers I've ever dealt with.
Of course, that bastard Robme wants to privatize it to get more cash for his cronies.
Ugh.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)they. They would say about republicans especially "they have no goddam idea what was is about". If you have been in it you get it. Even my own mother who was from Italy was a young woman during WWII and remembers well the bombs that were dropped on her country. She was scared to death. I think we all would be. Outside of 9-11 the majority of americans don't really honestly have a damn clue what death of civilians innocent people and soldiers who go off to war and may not be dead but kinda walking dead if you know what I mean. These young men are zapped of everything. Especially the guys from VN. It wasn't fair what they went through.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)And civilians and veterans paying the price.
Sometimes I want to crawl into bed and pull a pillow over my head.
Peace!
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)why people vote for these abusers. I guess they love it. I sure don't and I don't like seeing what my grandkids future will be like working for crumbs.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Of course we know the 1% have been finagling since time immemorial, but why would mainstream workers support a dolt like Robme? This election shouldn't even be close enough to steal.
It just drives me crazy.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)are able to get the message they want to hear. While dems. speak as adults and I guess they just don't know how to frame an issue to a 10th grader. Plus I honestly think it's all about the social issues. Did you watch Bill Maher last month when they showed a clip of Pelosi's daughter (filmmaker) went to MS and she asked them seveeral questions. It was all about Jesus. Some said they wouldn't vote for anyone who wasn't a christain and against abortion etc, etc, etc. So these people continue to vote against their own financial interests. I vote of fiancial issues only. Social issues are people own personal business.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)I buried my father on Friday. Veteran of D-Day, and former Prisoner Of War.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,661 posts)D-Day and a POW. Another voice gone from that age. Peace be with you, Riverwalker.
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)physically we may never know the extent. War Sucks. Period. And now we're creating a whole new batch of veterans who will have the same torments.
I imagine your daddy and mom are very proud of you; I am. I hope your mom gets to see this.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a lot of people later on, my cousin Ross from the same thing.
Memorial Day to me is for anyone who suffered a loss. My mother passed away five years ago today. Every day for me is memorial day for my loved ones.
Your dad did the best he could. He was brave until the end. Rest assured, dear heart that he is dancing in heaven. As someone who had a near death experience, you go back to love and protection, peace and joy. Trust that. Your sweet dad earned it. You earned the peace of knowing.
Hugs to you and yours, from me and mine.
RV
musical_soul
(775 posts)If something from the war causes a death years later, then that's still dying for one's country. Sorry about your dad. God bless you and your family.
rsmith6621
(6,942 posts)...My Dad was 75 and passed after a life long illness in 1999. He was on the deck of the USS Missouri the day WW2 ended, he was the one who set the table the docs were signed on.
Your memories will always be your comfort.
BTW are they burying them that tight at our National Cemetery's? it looks as though they have stacked them.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Ishoutandscream2
(6,661 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)I think I remember your postings at the time and how difficult it had been for your dad.
You can decide when to start wars, but you can't decide when they end. They linger for years and decades after the last bullet has been shot.
The cost is incalculable.
denese
(271 posts)I have two Uncles, one committed suicide many years ago and the other is ill with agent orange like your dad was. Their names won't be on any walls. It's sad.
I'm very sorry for your loss.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)He was only 2 years older than I am. And yeah, that heinous Vietnam war had far reaching consequences beyond just the years of active fighting. So many of my friends came back changed, so many young men never found their way once they were back here.
My own father is 88 and living independently with no chronic or terminal illnesses. I appreciate my good fortune every day. So for those of us whose parents can drive them crazy: be happy they're with us to do so! And DI, your dad is past suffering now. I hope you find great comfort in that.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)A son who could write such a wonderful tribute to his dad has to be special. I'm so very sorry for your painful loss. Take good care of your mother.
TBF
(32,047 posts)to both your dad and all of the other Vets who make it back, yet not whole by any means.
It touched my family as well. One uncle is in his late 60s, MP in VietNam, he is doing ok but did have some weird disease that nearly killed him a few decades ago. I was young & don't remember much except for visiting him in the hospital - it was something that he had brought back from VietNam (I believe Malaria but that could be wrong). He is in the best shape. Another uncle had PTSD and turned to alcohol. He literally died under a bridge (homeless) several years ago.
My dad is very much like your case. He enlisted early (mid 60s) as they were carrying the first de-foliants over to the area. He has a very severe case of arthritis caused by his exposure to a chemical (not agent orange - it was a few years before that). It is detailed in his military records and he retired with a disability pension after 15 years in his factory job so they could start doing operations (he now has pins in most of his fingers to replace the joints). His is just the physical disease/disfigurement - he did not serve in actual combat but rather handled all the materials while working in the boiler room of a naval ship. He did have a heart attack a few years ago, but he has long outlived the initial predictions that he would die before 50. He served in some experimental trials decades ago when Methotrexate was first used on arthritis patients and that is likely what prolonged his life. He will turn 67 this fall.
I am really sorry for your losses because I know it isn't simply his death - it's those years of sitting in hospital waiting rooms, enduring mood swings through new medications, watching someone you love suffer ridiculous pain while idiots who never serve continue to send more young boys to the same fate. And I will likely be you in a few years - visiting his grave with all the same emotions.
Take care.
a kennedy
(29,647 posts)sellitman
(11,606 posts)To have a son like you he was blessed.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)jimmil
(629 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I am so sorry for your loss, DI -
The legacy of that war (and all of them, for that matter) never ends.
At times it seems surviving a war is easy compared to surviving life afterwards.
Particularly for families. The forgotten 'collateral damage' of all conflicts.
Rhiannon12866
(205,224 posts)Your Dad would be very proud. My Dad passed away almost 10 years earlier, 11/30/90, at about the same age. I still miss him every day.
Spazito
(50,296 posts)Droidbot
(2 posts)I cried when I read this. He did his part, it's just sad the country couldn't do anything for him. My prayers are with you and your family.