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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn America, we're being advised to treat the police as if they're dangerous predators…
Don't attract their attention, don't make them nervous, do everything they tell us to do, if you won't stick out then they won't have a reason to pounce on you.
By that extension, then the rest of us are nothing more than prey.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)As I do not wish to be murdered, or have them murder someone else.
therehegoes
(37 posts)I'll include links but this is my story so no copyright issues:
friscopaul.blogspot.com
Frisco Paul's Experience is the best example of how an innocent man can sit in prison because evidence collected via body cam was tampered with after the fact! Only after trial and by having experts double checking experts did we find that the erased audio portion (the warning yelled out to the owner's son Rick that proved that Mr. Bailey acted in accordance with Texas' Castle Law!) would be retrieved from the car dash cam over 100 feet away from the home! In addition, we just got proof of forgery as well.
You can read the grounds for new trial below (definitely worth the read), but you must take a look at the Latest News. It's beyond bizarre!
Latest News on Case:
Court of Appeals is in violation of Supreme Court Ruling Holmes V South Carolina by refusing to force the trial court to deal with the issues we cover below (forged evidence, tampered evidence, main witness dishonorably discharged and endangered hundreds of cases, Collin County DA has recently been highlighted as withholding evidence from Grand Juries-- all discussed below)
Lawflog covers the grand jury issues and Collin County Prosecutor's relationship with recently indicted AG Ken Paxton.
http://lawflog.com/?p=972
http://lawflog.com/?p=896
http://lawflog.com/?p=861
http://lawflog.com/?p=852
Recently we also got a report from a forensic document examiner, that a key piece of evidence was forged. The signature that was forged was none other than the late Detective Debra Stansell. Links to full coverage, photos of documents, and downloads to the information is here.
http://www.friscopaul.blogspot.com/2015/11/collin-county-da-greg-willis-used.html#links
July 2014- Ex-Officer Greer resigned and was dishonorably discharged for sexual misconduct with a rape victim who later turned up murdered. He was also decertified for any testimony, endangering hundreds of cases.
Frisco Texas did an audit of cases he worked on (so they could feign responsible behavior) and found 3 more instances of sexual misconduct but clearly failed to look at other improprieties. Why? Because in Paul Bailey's Case, the city has major liability in that not only was evidence tampered with, but the police assisted the bogus 911 caller with a theft of Mr. Bailey's home. The "erased evidence" (deemed "criminally altered" by one of the experts we had look at the evidence) from Greer's lapel mic proving Bailey's innocence was recently recovered (after trial and incompetent legal assistance) from the car audio as well. Detective Debra Stansell (who Bailey hoped to have testify) showed up dead to suspicious circumstances just a few weeks before trial.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/frisco/headlines/20140709-frisco-detectives-sexual-misconduct-may-jeopardize-trials.ece
Sept 2014- The city attorney (Rebecca Hendricks Brewer) was also arrested for cutting her boyfriend and shooting out his windshield. She was formerly married to the 366th Judge Greg Brewer who abruptly resigned 2 days after Bailey was arrested. They are now divorced. What does he know?
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/frisco/headlines/20140709-frisco-detectives-sexual-misconduct-may-jeopardize-trials.ece
By the way, we're not sure if this should be a comedy or a drama!
Note to Readers: Please note that since the Writ of Habeas was filed, several issues must clearly be understood:
1) The primary witness Detective Debra Stansell was unable to testify due to her untimely and suspicious death (officially ruled a suicide).
2) The primary witness that testified former detective Scott Greer:
a. has been Dishonorably discharged from the Frisco Police Department for sexual misconduct with a rape victim whose case he was assigned who later became a murder victim, prompting Texas Rangers to begin looking at the case.
b. Secondly he has been barred as a witness for the prosecution which has affected hundreds of cases.
c. Frisco PD only conducted an "audit" for the cases he was assigned to in the criminal investigation division, NOT for cases he worked on as a patrol officer (which would have included Mr. Bailey's case). Please also note that they apparently were fixated on finding additional sexual misconduct, not OTHER TYPES of misconduct or malfeasance (as we will show in the following discussion). We believe this reflects obvious malfeasance/cover up by the Frisco Police Department on covering up at least some of their employee misconduct.
d. From the following article we highlight and quote Greer's own admission of additional sexual malfeasance):
"Greer testified at a hearing Monday that he had sex one time with the victim in a pending misdemeanor assault case. He also testified he had sex with the mother of a defendant after charges against her son were dropped. In addition, he said he met the mother of a victim in a sexual assault case at a hotel for sex."
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/frisco/headlines/20140709-frisco-detectives-sexual-misconduct-may-jeopardize-trials.ece
3) The Frisco City Attorney Rebecca Brewer was arrested for cutting her boyfriend and shooting out his car window.
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/mckinney-attorney-arrested-for-aggravated-assault.html/
Texas Rangers aren't interested in looking into Detective Debra Stansell's suspicious "suicide" since they don't "have the manpower" and they don't like my blog! Hellooooo- there wouldn't need to be a blog had anyone done their jobs-including my court-appointed public pretenders, Gregg Gibbs, Mark Ledbetter, and the latest, Stephanie Hudson- who won't contact me despite my requests!
The following is the Writ of Habeas that I and my team of volunteers compiled and the links to the documents supporting this writ follow.
GROUND ONE:
Tampering of police certified audio/video tape
FACTS SUPPORTING GROUND ONE:
1) Audio from video evidence was discovered and confirmed by multiple forensics experts to have been tampered with. The 4 seconds in Greer's lapel mic was to erase Applicants explicit warning to the perceived burglar [whom Applicant called out by name], which would demonstrate with absolute certainty that Applicant did not know that the person on his property [Greer] was a police officer and acted in accordance with Castle Law.
2) Office Greer stated later on the audio video evidence I dont think he could see me, though. Have Dispatch call the Reporting Party to call him and let him know it's the (expletive) Police.
3) In addition, there is a 5 minute blanked out spot in the Claussen video.
4) Applicant discovered the tampering of the evidence by having the two police certified
audio tapes analyzed by several experts in order to have undisputable proof, that is experts checking experts.
5)Furthermore, no gunshot is heard on the lapel mic and even though the audio (after tampered spot) is back on, it is not heard. This has been proven by syncing the car audio with the lapel mic audio. This proves that Officer Greer was farther away from the residence than the car because the gunshot is heard on the car audio.
6) An audio engineer was able to enhance the sound from the car audio and retrieve the missing 4 second spot that was tampered with and prove that Applicant was calling out to the perceived intruder and acted in complete accordance with Texas' Castle Law Note: Applicant's son was also the bogus 911 caller who needed his father out of the house in order to take the items needed to complete a car purchase the following day. In fact, he did just that with the assistance of police who invited him into the home once applicant was arrested, despite Applicant's express directions not to allow him into the home. Son is serving sentence for stealing applicant's identity and other items with the help of police).
7) Finally, Greer testified that he never turns off his mic. A beep occurs just prior to the blank 4 second spot. The National Center for Audio Visual Forensics stated clearly in an email that a beep occurs whenever the mic is turned off. Had Trial Counsel been effective, he would have clearly made the point to ask Greer why a beep occurred there if he never turned off his mic. This illustrates that the altering party knew the idiosyncrasies of the L3 Mobile Vision Software, but did not know that Greer's future testimony regarding his routine would contradict tape
GROUND TWO:
False testimony given by Frisco Police Officer Scott Greer and 911 operator Delanna Copeland.
FACTS SUPPORTING GROUND TWO:
1) Delanna Copeland violated proper police protocols when she did not question 911 caller's authenticity/motives when she did not question why his stated location differed from his actual location.
2) Greer was wearing a lapel audio transmitter, Lapel audio tape and car audio/video evidences that Officer Greer did not:
(a) park in front of the home,
(b) have his lights on,
(c) wait for backup,
(d) nor did he announce himself as a police officer when he entered Applicants property and approached Applicants home.
(e) have a warrant nor consent to enter Applicants property,
(f) have probable cause to do so,
(g) note any exigent circumstances present, and
(h) note problems. He stated in Police Report that Applicant was watching TV and drinking a beer (meaning no problems observed).
3) The audio recording further evidences that Applicant did not know that the person on his property [Greer] was a police officer. Officer Greer falsely testified that Applicant knew he was a police officer and intended to shoot at him. Officer Greer falsely asserted that he could see the muzzle fire from the gun held in the Applicant's hand .
4) In contradiction to his testimony in court, Officer Greer expressly states on the lapel mic that, I don't think [Applicant] could see me and asks to have dispatch call the [reporting party] to call [Applicant] and let him know its the [expletive] police
5) Due to recent forensic experts looking at the evidence, it is clear that Officer Greer was nowhere near the Applicants door when the gun was shot as the gunshot was not recorded on Officers lapel mic audio, but WAS recorded on the car audio which was 100+ feet away. Officer Greer falsely testified that he was in front of the door when the gun was shot. The tampered spot was a 4 second spot BEFORE the area where the gunshot should have been recorded and the sound comes back on in time for it to have been recorded-however the gunshot is not where it should have been.
6) A Forensic expert has now been able to enhance Applicant's warning to perceived burglar from the CAR audio. (This is the 4 second spot that was erased/tampered with from the lapel mic audio). This also proves that Applicant was acting in accordance with Texas' Castle Law. This warning has been confirmed by another expert.
GROUND THREE:
False report given by court appointed authenticator, Herbert Joe regarding the audio tape
FACTS SUPPORTING GROUND THREE:
1. Report did not state the evidence of tampering.
2. Joes report did not synchronize the two audios properly and detect that Officer Greer's testimony was false considering the scientific impossibility of him being where he said he was that is, near Applicants door.
3. Further, Joes report did not state that Officer Greer expressly mentioned that Applicant did not know that the person on his property was a police officer.
4. The report also did not state that no gunshot was audible from Officer Greers lapel audio transmitter and that the audio recording only picked up static, not the sound of a gunshot. The gunshot was recorded in the car audio 100+ feet away and WAS recorded on the car audio.
5. Joe's report did not state why his report was so radically different from the text messages originally sent to Counsel Raphael DeLagarza and Applicant.
GROUND FOUR: Ineffective Counsel sabotaged Applicant's defense
Trial counsel sabotaged Applicant's defense by not questioning and investigating tampered evidence, multiple breaches of police protocol by 911 dispatcher and Officers, did not point out and argue that Greer's recorded statements on the audio that evening impeached his testimony on the stand when he stated that I don't think he could see me though and Have Dispatch call the RP (reporting party) and have him call him and tell him it's the (expletive) Police!. Counsel did not challenge State's failure to provide all evidence prior to trial. Trial counsel sabotaged Applicant's defense, was hostile to defendant, did not adequately question or have confirmation of strange spots on audio examined, took police dismissive attitude that the 4 second erased spot was a glitch, and sabotaged defense of client, by not questioning and investigating into the same. Counsel failed to obtain relevant testimony, evidence, & analysis, and a serious, competent defense strategy as agreed to in front of the Judge and question the tampered evidence (and evidence never provided) has resulted in the jury finding the Applicant guilty. Counsel acted with malice and contributed to a successful malicious prosecution by the Ass't. DA. Counsel had a conflict of interest with head Detective's family. Counsel stated to Applicant's Daughter and Ex-Wife that he never takes these types of cases and only did so because of the Judge's insistence. Applicant has now discovered evidence presented in the trial court was tampered with. Proper analysis of audio/video tape by MULTIPLE experts proves that false testimony was given by Officer Greer regarding Applicants arrest and the court appointed authenticator, Herbert Joe also gave a false report on the audio/video tape.
FACTS SUPPORTING GROUND FOUR:
1. Counsel deliberately misled Applicant by stating the sound on lapel mic recording was a gunshot, when it was static background noise and not the sound of gunshot.
2. Trial counsel ignored the fact that Joes initial texts to previously counsel, Raphael Delagarza were different from the final report.
3. Applicants counsel failed to question about the 5 minute blanked spot where there is no audio in the Claussen Video.
4. Counsel failed to question Joe about the syncing of the lapel & car videos and investigate the missing gunshot on the lapel mic, which would have proven that Greer was not where he said he was and that no assault occurred.
5. Applicants counsel did not challenge the States failure to provide ALL evidence to Applicant before trial. In fact, to this day, much evidence has still been withheld despite the Attorney Generals directive to turn it over to Applicant.
6. Counsel ignored Officer Greers multiple breaches of police protocol. Counsel failed to question the credibility of the 911 emergency dispatch caller which evidenced that the caller while stating he was out of state was, in fact, in Fort Worth, Texas.
7. When Prosecutors showed a timeline showing that communication for several hours occurred with Applicant, Applicant asked counsel to object because it was not supported by forensic evidence, Mark Ledbetter told his Client to Shut the (expletive) up.
8. Counsel did not point that Greer's recorded statements impeached his testimony when he stated that I don't think he could see me though and Have Dispatch call the RP (reporting party) and have him call him and tell him it's the (expletive) Police!
9. Applicants counsel further accepted the position during questioning at trial that the erased portion of the recording was a glitch, rather than tampered evidence. Counsel failed to ask Greer why a beep occurred prior to blank 4 second spot if he never turned off his mic, thereby proving that the altering party knew the idiosyncrasies of the L3 Mobile Vision System, but did NOT know (at time of tampering) that Greer's testimony regarding his routine would contradict the beep and blanked out spot.
10. Counsel failed to obtain witnesses, experts, analysis that could have assisted in a competent defense. Counsel failed to provide the court with police reports of the police assisted theft that occurred after Applicant was arrested.
11. Counsel refused to raise Applicant's strategy of defense even though he confirmed his agreement (to the court) to utilize this strategy. It is for this reason and this reason only that Applicant agreed to have him represent him.
12. Counsel failed to introduce Son's arrest and incarceration record, Multiple threats and text to leave his stuff outside as support for the state of mind of the Applicant.
13. Counsel failed to point out the fraudulent, retroactively altered original indictment and ask why would an indictment time-stamped almost 18 months prior to the Motion to Amend with the exact same font and phraseology, need to be amended?
14. Counsel failed to point out that in no way, is Applicant responsible for the bogus 911 call made by his son to 911, or the 911 Operator and Police making no less than five (5) critical errors in their duties which led up to the event.
Links to source documents:
1) The first file is the Habeas Cover Sheet required by the State of Texas.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEb1hCR3Q5YUNDeDA/edit?usp=sharing
2) The 2nd file, continues the motion.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOETjE5Uk42TGgxQkk/edit?usp=sharing
3) The 3rd through 7th files are attachments and evidence.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEVF9ZU3VUVnFPR1U/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEbzJTVDkweVdDdkE/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEalpwcENZU1FweUk/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEV0RrMmlINDZaS1k/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEMTMyYXNhSGlROGc/edit?usp=sharing
AngryOldDem
(14,165 posts)Exactly right.
K&R.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)It's frightening and disgusting at the same time.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)underpants
(186,058 posts)ybbor
(1,598 posts)Greatest list of possible side effects ever!
Baitball Blogger
(47,663 posts)sheriff helicopters. Of course, I'm going from perceptions. On the day that the USA soccer team beat Germany, it was a Tuesday. That's the night we put out the yard trash for Wednesday pick-up. Of course we stayed in to watch the finish of the game and then went out to lug twenty bags of yard waste to the street. Though it was dark, we were under a street light so you wouldn't think it was a big deal. But no sooner were we in the house when a helicopter started hoovering overhead and the van that I suspect is a surveillance van came into the neighborhood. And, of course there were footpatrols from the cabal neighbors. That is what happens when a neighborhood has a guilty conscience from past historical indiscretions, and you have caught on to them.
Of course, it is all precipitated by people who are so entitled that they don't even know that Tuesday night is the night we put out yard trash.
Vigilantism, like the kind that inspired George Zimmerman is very strong in this county. We get drive-thrus from the same pick-up trucks and SUVs at all hours of the day or night; if I'm working in the yard, especially the side yard, people have walked back to prominently show that they are watching. Not last week, a golfcart that was driving by stopped to watch my husband as he returned from turning on the sprinkler system.
Yup. If you are a member of a minority group who is aware of their illegal dalliances, they will do whatever they can to make you feel like you don't belong.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)PatrickforO
(15,059 posts)That stuff just wouldn't happen to me, and it really sucks that it happens to you. We aren't free as a people until you're free from that kind of shit.
Baitball Blogger
(47,663 posts)My parents really did raise me to deal with tremendous adversity, though I don't think even they anticipated what I would be dealing with. I learned early how to block out negatives and concentrate on productive endeavors, but that was under normal circumstances. I'm pretty much flying by the seat of my pants in this new era.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Baitball Blogger
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No question that the priority is to stop the abuse of PoC who are facing physical abuse by the police, but it's always good to remember that the police have support within their own communities for the things they do.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)uppityperson
(115,767 posts)I can hear the call. "My neighbor is putting bags of I don't know what!! Omg!!!"
But seriously, wtf.
Baitball Blogger
(47,663 posts)You can see the surveillance van, but my cams don't pick up noise so the helicopter would probably be out of range. Still, would not be difficult for an enterprising reporter to request public record requests to see if they left a paper trail.
Brainstormy
(2,415 posts)Igel
(35,981 posts)some aren't.
But treating people as enemies has seldom led to their feeling friendly, nor has it generally led to their being treated in a way that produces anything less than hostility.
This you could call a vicious circle. Assuming that hostility is a kind of vice, of course.
hunter
(38,809 posts)Police in the U.S.A. are too likely to make a bad situation worse.
I live in a place where the police don't respond to small stuff anyways.
If nobody is dead, bleeding, or on fire, they'll ask you to fill out a report on their internet site, or to come down to the station and wait a long time sitting among many very interesting people, to tell your sad story to an officer behind bullet-proof glass, who will enter your story into the same database their web site uses, ignoring most of the details.
I grew up in one of the whitest, statistically safest, communities in the U.S.A.. The police there protected property values by harassing "undesirable" people, especially those who were not white, or the homeless. "DWB" (Driving while Black) sorts of harassment were their favorite sports. I believe it's still like that, but I left that hell as soon as I could, followed shortly by my parents and younger siblings.
I've lived my adult life in cosmopolitan communities, in neighborhoods where most people are not white.
I'm white, but as a squeaky skinny highly reactive kid taunted as "queerbait," my middle and high school experience in 99.44% white U.S.A. was Lord of the Flies. All-white groups of young men still make me a little nervous.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)especially African Americans. People are just trying to not get in their way.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)They'd would love a fight between race groups or religious groups or against immigrants. So why would a Democrat support a candidate that will continue this status quo that the 1% has brought to us? Are some so gullible they think that the candidate chosen by the 1% will undo what has been so carefully cultivated?
It's time to end the big money corruption of our government.
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niyad
(118,979 posts)Response to niyad (Reply #35)
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haikugal
(6,476 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)doesn't trust the regular uniformed military to turn on the citizenry when the shit hits the fan. They KNOW the kkkops will do so, with glee.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a major revolt. This was is more sinister. Also, this is race oriented. The 1% would love nothing better than stir up a racial fight among the 99%.
What is being done by the 1% Oligarchy should be obvious. They are systematically destroying the democracy and economy of the 99%. Sadly, there are Democrats that are helping them. The only reason I can figure is authoritarianism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
erronis
(16,683 posts)like Officer Friendly.
Chests and belts full of weaponry, dark glasses or darkened helmets, thick vests around thick bodies, having been trained to not smile or engage, having been trained that the "people" are not your friends but are your enemies.
Doesn't take much of a lurch to turn this into a police state.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)decided to save on training costs by hiring discharged combat veterans after the first Gulf War. Policing requires a different skill-set/mentality than soldiering ... apparently, the departments didn't recognize that.
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DebbieCDC
(2,544 posts)Plus the fact that these PTSD suffering war zone survivors are provided with every conceivable piece of military grade ordnance to "police" with and you have the makings for the situation we have now.
Add to that the fact that many of these vets are/could be 'roided up to the max only intensifies the potential for a violent confrontation over jaywalking, not using a turn signal, being a person of color walking "where you don't belong" or being a woman in a vulnerable situation.
Protect and serve went the way of the dodo bird.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)Putting them in police dpts is one way they can absolve themselves of the responsibility.
Veterans of war need a lifetime of medical support, financial support, etc.
If it were up to me we would provide for them forever and they would never have to work.
Lets ask the cons if they are willing to pay for that next time they want to send YOU or your neighbor to war.
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NJCher
(37,548 posts)and totally out of control. Wasn't always true; is true now.
I do everything I can to avoid dealing with them.
Cher
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Created the Storm Troopers by funding them...and spreading the 9/11 fear.
Problem...they don't take out "terrorists", they just keep gunning down citizens.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)It's all about control of the 99%.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but it started before Bush and Cheney. It started at least with the War on Drugs, and has been building since.
yuiyoshida
(42,497 posts)No way would I call One Adam 12 these days, Mr. Scorpio.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And yet we have NO say.
That is not correct.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)PufPuf23
(9,233 posts)I am not for the militarization of law enforcement.
I would go as far as to say most of our civil police should not carry weapons like UK and focus on being public servants that foster public safety and respond to emergencies.
The profession has always tended to attract bullies and borderline thugs.
I again would go so far to say that most soldiers because of their training and trauma are no longer suitable for civil law enforcement.
Iggo
(48,193 posts)That's how they do.
PufPuf23
(9,233 posts)They give each other cover.
erronis
(16,683 posts)What are they trained to do otherwise? Perhaps kindergarten teachers?
Sort of like what we did in Iraq when we "fired" all the Baathist armed forces and police. They had a lot of experience doing what those people do (maintaining control, killing, threatening, etc.) Many of them ended up like our returning vets - out of work and with some dangerous memories and skills. We know that this thing called IS was created from those people. Good work, USA!
PufPuf23
(9,233 posts)Security guards too.
"We" and the World would have been so much better off had we concentrated on putting our own society in order and exported peace instead of war.
Gratuitous Good Work and Go USA!!
Feeling cynical and irritated today after watching the Chicago cop murder video clip. No excuse.
erronis
(16,683 posts)I think we could have a decent (in many senses) president to try to make this happen - especially if we don't get one that is allied with corporations. Congress, especially the house, has become way too friendly with the donations of the corporatists. Let's hope (and pray if necessary.)
Scuba
(53,475 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)As a white person it is one of the most jolting things I have learned about the reality of racism.
A few years ago, I saw a video of a man describing an interaction with his nephew who ducked when he saw a police car. He ended it with wondering how to raise kids to be proud of who they are while having to teach them that other people's fear of them could put them in danger.
It is something that white people are finally learning about and one impulse has been to defend the spot that gives them more safety. The ultimate privilege.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,838 posts)if you're hiking in Glacier Park, in case you encounter a grizzly bear.
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sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Those who don't understand that should be treated like enemies.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)It's way past time for the feds to step in...
Police departments are simply unable to police themselves.. There should be a citizens oversight panel in every major city..Hiring, training, institutional racism, corruption it all needs to be looked at and changed..
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I've been asking that since 2008 when I thought it would get better. Where is the justice department? Where is justice?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)medical MJ dispensaries to close down. Justicein' is hard work.
niyad
(118,979 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Their primary aim is for privatization of law enforcement, it will work nicely with the for profit prisons.
If we are made to hate our police surely a corporation will do it better.
Not much accountability and profits for law enforcement, what could be better. /s
glinda
(14,807 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)like walk up to one and spit in his face, but I also dont have to worry about them most of the time, and I dont.
If i see a cop in my rearview, I dont think twice...where as you...
In case I need to explain
I am white, the person I am responding to is not.
The rules are different for me and him because this is a very racist country
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Gestapo would knock on the door in the middle of the night. US kkkops will just execute people where they stand in broad daylight. Especially African-American people.
w0nderer
(1,937 posts)what more amusing sport for the 1% or for the 99% to watch than a IRL hunt with live ammo for people?
heh
actually even if you do everything they want, you might still get in trouble.
glinda
(14,807 posts)I keep waiting for them to pull me over because I might speed to get distance from my car to theirs. This has happened more times than I can count in the last year.
w0nderer
(1,937 posts)if driving stick (or even automatic but better on stick)
foot off gas, not on brake and don't clutch (if it's a stick..engine brake)
no warning light but stops pretty fast (stick) slowly and deceptively (auto)
she's use it no matter who was within a 2 yards of that rear fender
'someone wanna buy me a new car' was her expression
elias49
(4,259 posts)Are we advising each other?
KT2000
(20,772 posts)on Comedy Central? He describes learning about how to behave as a black man new to America. It is funny, but also tragic and accurate. Surely they will replay it.
Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)It is a sad state of affairs.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Any protecting and serving is purely coincidental.
totodeinhere
(13,245 posts)He is as nice as can be. His family has two dogs and two small children. I know this is anecdotal but I have to believe that not all police are as described in the OP. Personally, I have never had a negative experience with police in my life. But then I am white and I can't know what it's like to be a POC who encounters the police.
And then here is an interesting recent comment from President Obama.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says-police-are-scapegoated-too-often-for-societys-failures/
MrScorpio
(73,696 posts)indivisibleman
(482 posts)has been lucky enough to avoid an encounter with them.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)are too unpredictable, menacing, unstable and likely to go out of control. Certainly not all, but enough.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You must live in some hellhole of some kind.
I've never had any trouble with the police where I live.