I do not think this jury system is working!

[akbacchus_BC]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by TexasTowelie (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Some DUers post really obnoxious posts and when it goes to Jury, most people vote to leave it alone, no matter how obnoxious the comments are.

I just want to make my voice heard. Have no idea what the owners of this site can do, I know they are trying to be fair but sometimes, it depends who are on the jury!

[cwydro]

1. Good luck that your post doesn't get locked.

and Happy Thanksgiving.

Edited to add: put this in the ATA forum if you want the admins to address it.

[akbacchus_BC]

2. No, I was just making a general comment. Well if my post gets

locked, it is out of ignorance. The reason why I made my post is because I do not agree with how the jury system works. I never thought it was a question to the Admins, my apologies. Been on here for years and am still learning the rules.

Please feel free to alert on me if you feel am breaking the rules.

[cwydro]

5. I very rarely alert on anything.

The admins are the ones who set up the jury system.

That's why I suggested ATA.

I only alert in instances of completely out of line personal attacks on a poster.

Meta is not important to me - just boring.

[akbacchus_BC]

11. So why you needed to reprimand me. You might as well alerted on me!

[cwydro]

17. I'm sorry that you saw that as a reprimand.

It was kind of a joke back on your post about the jury system. I should have added the sarcasm smilie I guess.

Sorry you didn't get it.

But no, I didn't alert. I never alert on meta posts.

And my suggestion to take it to ATA was meant seriously. They're the ones in charge here, ya know?

Happy Thanksgiving!

[akbacchus_BC]

20. It's ok. Am in Canada, our Thanksgiving went. Happy Thanksgiving to

you and your family and friends and I hope you all have a wonderful holiday.

Take care and best regards always

[cwydro]

22. Back atcha!

I have friends and family in Canada.

And I can tell you one thing - I serve on juries quite frequently. Just like my attitude about alerts...I never vote to hide unless it is a pure personal attack.

I have voted to hide posts that are personal attacks even when a poster I like has been alerted on. I have voted (much more often) to leave posts by posters that I really can't stand. I try to be fair, and I don't for one minute think I'm the only one who tries to be fair when they're called for jury duty.

I've found that most juries I'm on - always vote to leave unless it's a really egregious offense.

No doubt there are some who are biased when they're jurying, but I like to think the best of my fellow DUers.

[akbacchus_BC]

24. Thank you for being such a nice person. You are a really

nice person for responding to me. Best regards ever.

[cwydro]

26. Reading the other posts in this thread now -

I realize that your OP must have come from a recent hide/alert or whatever.

I had no knowledge of that, just so you know.

I've been cooking all day, and will be tomorrow as well, so kind of out of the loop.

I'm familiar with your posts and truly cannot imagine that you would warrant a hide on any occasion.

Many moons ago, I got a post hidden when I complained that one poster was calling another poster a racist. So go figure.

I don't even remember the posters involved. But I rarely do. I like the fact that I forget so quickly, though it must confuse those who think I dislike them lol.

[akbacchus_BC]

28. No, it was a post that I got a request for jury and the post was really obnoxious and I voted to

hide it and gave an explanation. Lo and behold, the post was not hidden, five jurors voted to leave it alone, hence my question if the jury system works. I do not know about you, but I love DU. I respect all of you on here but sometimes I question what is fair or not fair.

[cwydro]

29. Ah, gotcha. yes. I've been on those type juries too.

I truly have to say though, that most times it seems to work.

This is only my experience. But I do understand the frustration when a really awful post is allowed to stand.

Hey, in that case, I reassure myself by thinking that all of DU can see what an ass that particular poster is. Lol, somehow that makes me feel better.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Don't see what's wrong with having an opinion about the jury system.

[akbacchus_BC]

14. Guess you not supposed to have an opinion!

I was only calling what I thought was wrong and suddenly, it is against the rules. How else do you get answers if not on here? Not a question for you just an opinion on my part!

[Yorktown]

3. Too many alerts, too many hides

I have been on maybe a dozen juries, and only once have I seen something which merited being alerted upon.

and for the 90% of what I saw as abusive alerts, I was amazed by the number of jurors ready to hide at the mere hint of the trace of a reason.

[akbacchus_BC]

6. I agree with you, many alerts for frivolus reasons and when you vote to leave it alone,

lo and behold, the post gets hidden. We are all adults on here, we are responsible for what we post, sometimes we might get carried away and post something silly and if it gets hidden, so be it.

But it seems as though you cannot even ask a question on here without being told, go to ATA, they do not respond to you, especially when it is night time, no one expects them to be on call 24/7, they have lives too.

Sorry for the long response

[Skittles]

7. the worst are the ones who alert without asking a single question regarding the post

IDIOTS

[akbacchus_BC]

9. Hi you, good to see you after a long time.

No kicks ok. Happy Thanks giving to you and your family and friends.

[Skittles]

15. I am always around

but only at night

[akbacchus_BC]

18. Me too at nights. You have no idea how much I love your

posts. I have always admired you from the time I joined DU, you and Sea are wonderful on here.

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and your family and friends.

[seabeyond]

4. Of course it doesn't work and has been clear a really long time.

Hi ak... I hope all is well!

In before the lock.

[akbacchus_BC]

8. Hi Sea, long time no see, how are you doing?

I was not complaining, just pointing out the discrepancy in the system.

Oops, before this thread gets locked, happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Best always

[yuiyoshida]

25. Yes!

[TSIAS]

10. It's not perfect

But having served as a moderator in the olden days, I think this system is much more transparent. At least posts aren't getting completely erased.

I remember the days of ...

1) No Sex Threads
2) No Copycat Threads
3) No Nicknames for candidates

So many rules were arbitrary. This new system allows for more common sense.

I think the issue of too few hides, in your opinion, stems from the fact that liberals are less likely to apply censorship unless there is compelling evidence to do so. Unless you say "FU" to someone or go completely off the rails, I'm likely to vote to LEAVE.

[akbacchus_BC]

13. Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

[Kalidurga]

16. I got an alert on a very obnoxious post once

a dog whistle racist attack as far as I was concerned. The jury did not see it my way it was left 5-2. So I contacted the administrators and stated the reasons I voted to hide in the first place. That poster is no longer with us. I think the jury system can work.

[akbacchus_BC]

19. The obvious obnoxious posts will get hidden but the subtle ones never does. It all depends on

who are online and are called for Jury duty. I take the requests really seriously as I know that someone is being out of line. You know what, waste of time to prolong my question. I thank you for your response and wish you and your family a very happy Thanksgiving.

[Kalidurga]

21. Nope

this post was very obnoxious and it was an obvious personal attack on a poster. My guess because the poster is an avid Hilary fan. I was extremely disappointed only one other person saw fit to vote to hide. I guess as long as the attack is on the opposition it's okay with some people. It is not nor will it ever be okay with me to let racist crap slide.

[akbacchus_BC]

23. Kali, I understand but when you are a person of colour and do not reside in the US, and the

owners of DU accept your membership, I do not have any rights on here except to voice my opinion, which I do sometimes.

Never let anyone beat you down either on here or in real life. Stand for whom you like. I could never forget how Mrs. Clinton and her supporters went after Mr. Obama when it seemed as he will get the nomination. She lives to tell the tale that she is credible because President Obama choose her as Secretary of State. Do you think I can bring up how nasty she was in 2008, hell no! I'd be banned. I could never support Hilary Clinton for President, I support Mr. Sanders!

We got our PM whom we wanted for the longest while, took us a long time to swing from Harper to Trudeau and we won!

[Kalidurga]

27. I support Bernie with all my heart.

And that is why I will not do a pile on of anyone I don't care what side they are on. I will not do dog whistles. I will not do personal attacks at least from my POV, some may see my words differently. And I absolutely will not sit by and watch any poster be attacked like that it's ugly. I don't care who anyone supports we can still be friends. Just don't aim the ugly in my direction if you get my drift.

I remember what Hilary did in o8 as well. It was ugly and I don't see that she has changed much. I will not vote for her in the primary no matter what. If something happens and Bernie doesn't get the momentum I think he will, I might vote for O'Malley.

[akbacchus_BC]

31. Kali, I like him too and I know he will do well for America but this time around, the Democrats is

flailing for a nominee, Mrs. Clinton, have no idea if Americans will vote for her. The Clintons never supported blacks and the three strikes you are out by Bill Clinton, put a lot of blacks in prisons.

You all in a deep blue sea, Trump is not the answer so Democratic Americans have to hold their noses and vote for Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Sanders nor Omalley are not even close, Mrs. Clinton has come and won!

[Kalidurga]

34. 60% of voters do not trust Hilary

the fact that she could lose the GE with a number like that seems to escape her supporters. I will stay with Bernie for as long as he is a viable option. Then I will vote for O'Malley if I have to. No way Hilary gets my vote without earning it, by earning it I mean she denounces some of the racist institutions she has upheld the status quo for.

[Rex]

30. Are there people that always vote hide?

Makes ya wonder.

[akbacchus_BC]

32. You will have to ask the Admins, they have privy to votes, not you nor I!

I always wonder about that, about the voting to hide or not! Somebody is keeping a tally and it has to be the Admins.

[Rex]

33. Yeah if people say they always leave, got to be the other way around too.

The mod system with the deletes were annoying as hell at times. However the jury system can get so ridiculous it just makes you shake your head wondering who the fucks was on that jury?

Need a hybrid type hostmoderminator series 2001.

[TexasTowelie]

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