Isis teenage 'poster girl' Samra Kesinovic 'beaten to death' as she tried to flee the group

[oberliner]

A teenage girl who ran away from her Vienna home to join Isis in Syria has reportedly been beaten to death by the group after trying to escape.

Samra Kesinovic, 17, travelled to Syria last year with her friend Sabina Selimovic, 15.

The two became a 'poster girl' for Isis, also known as Islamic State, appearing on social media websites in images showing them carrying Kalashnikovs and surrounded by armed men.

But by October that year there were reports quoting friends of the two women saying Ms Kesinovic had been sickened by the killings she witnessed and wanted to come home.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-teenage-poster-girl-samra-kesinovic-beaten-to-death-by-group-as-she-tried-to-flee-killings-a6747801.html

[951-Riverside]

1. The Vienna people no longer have to worry about her slipping back in and going postal

Tough luck kid.

[Thinkingabout]

2. This is the value placed on women, abuse and then a violent death.

[LisaL]

3. I find it mind boggling that these girls voluntarily entered this kind of life, and

it must have taken them a lot of effort to actually get into Syria for this.

[riversedge]

4. shows what propaganda can do.

[edhopper]

5. Teenagers do stupid things

they really have limited cognitive abilities.

Most times those decisions can be repaired, sometimes they are fatal.

[Hortensis]

8. Not the safest or sanest period of life.

[FLPanhandle]

11. Running off to join a terrorist organization that is known for abusing women, was more than stupid

I don't think the word stupid covers that decision.

Did anyone (other than her and her friend) not see this coming?

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. ISIS's infamy wasn't so widespread in April 2014

Back then, they would have heard far more about ISIS through word-of-mouth (or the internet equivalent) than the media, and that would probably have been mainly pro-ISIS propaganda.

[AZ Progressive]

18. Their decision making abilities are underdeveloped, as well as the ability to control impulses

[pangaia]

26. SOME teenagers ".. limited cognitive abilities. "

Some are world class,
international concert violinists and pianists.

[exboyfil]

28. Probably the wrong term

Scientific American had an article on this in June, 2015 "The Amazing Teen Brain"

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/risky-teen-behavior-is-driven-by-an-imbalance-in-brain-development/

http://www.nature.com/scientificamerican/journal/v312/n6/full/scientificamerican0615-32.html

[hatrack]

6. Oops.

.

[pintobean]

7. RIP girls

The rw doesn't have a monopoly on heartlessness.

[Octafish]

12. you think ISIS is left wing?

The rw doesn't have a monopoly on heartlessness.

The Iraqi and Saudi militaries are about as right wing as they get.

[pintobean]

27. I wasn't talking about ISIS.

I think some DUers are heartless with their tough-shit attitudes.

[AZ Progressive]

20. ISIS is extreme religious right wing

[Lizzie Poppet]

22. Daesh ARE extreme right-wing.

Obviously...

[TeamPooka]

25. you don't know what you're talking about. nt

[DetlefK]

9. It's actually fairly normal for ISIS to brutally punish transgressing ISIS-members.

A returning ISIS-member was caught by german authorities in a sting-operation last year. And boy, did he love to spill the beans.

Some parts of the testimony are less credible:
"Okay, I was part of a unit responsible for jailing and torturing people, but I was only driver, translator and the guy who brought the prisoners food."

He recounted a scene where an ISIS-commander was killed by his own people for being insufficiently brutal. He was beaten to death and his corpse thrown in a well.
In another scene, he recounted, an ISIS-fighter was crucified by ISIS for robbing people at an ISIS-checkpoint.







And a few months ago, an ISIS-judge declared so many fellow ISIS-members apostates that the ISIS high-command had to tell him to cut it out.

[oberliner]

16. Where did you get that info from?

I'd be curious to read it.

[DetlefK]

21. Can't find the specific articles again, but there's this:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/islamischer-staat-einblicke-ins-schlachthaus-1.2339415
(article in german)

- ISIS is really nice to newcomers in the beginning.
- If you refuse to give up your passport, they immediately think you are a spy.
- One such suspected spy was interrogated in a blood-soaked room, eventually released, and then ISIS tossed a decapitated torso into his sleeping-room as a warning.
- One of the first questions is whether you want to be a fighter or a suicide-bomber. Suicide-bombers get preferential treatment.
- If you keep your cell-phone, or worse if you try to hide your cell-phone, you are a suspected spy.
- You are only allowed to leave ISIS and return to Europe if you have a special letter, signed by the Emir. If you try to return and can't show that letter to fellow ISIS-members, you will get killed. The heads of killed jihadists used to be displayed on poles, but nowadays they are simply discarded.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/islamischer-staat-einblicke-ins-schlachthaus-1.2339415-2
- There is a "rite of passage" for new members: You have to kill somebody. In most cases a Muslim who was declared apostate.
- While ISIS' outwards brutality is well-known, the brutality against members was until recently (until ex-members told about it) unknown.
- Religious indoctrination begins right-away, but only those parts of the Qu'ran that justify barbaric acts.
- Young women join ISIS with the romantic illusion of marrying a great warrior. Then they become second or third wife to some fighter they don't know and find out that life isn't as luxurious as what they were used to from Europe.
- German authorities have discovered three categories of ISIS-members returning to Europe: 1. Battle-hardened jihadists. 2. Ex-members traumatized by the brutalities they have witnessed. 3. Ex-members who left ISIS again out of disillusionment and disgust for the atrocities. Nevertheless, all 3 are treated as potentially dangerous.
- The domestic intelligence-service "Federal Bureau for protection of the Constitution" is actively engaged in helping the returnees integrate into society again. Their agents help them with bureaucratic challenges, they help them with finding an appartment... It's really not their profession but a novel method of de-radicalization they are testing there.

[oberliner]

24. Interesting

Thanks for sharing that.

[Jim__]

10. This aspect of ISIS needs to be loudly publicized.

It can work as anti-ISIS propaganda for young people thinking about joining.

[951-Riverside]

14. You'd think the headchopping and heart eating would be a major turnoff n/t

[hatrack]

23. You'd think so - don't forget that little "burning people alive" thing . . .

But you'd be wrong, apparently,

[polly7]

15. So horrible.

Those poor girls.

Both Ms Kesinovic and Ms Selimovic were children of Bosnian refugees who fled to Austria in the nineties to escape the war in their country. Their families must be absolutely devastated.

[Imajika]

17. They were originally Bosnian...

..which means they were probably Muslim to begin with.

From there all it takes is listening to some radical cleric for enough time to be brainwashed.

[Scootaloo]

29. More likely online discussion and videos.

See, even the "radical clerics" are generally considered apostate by Daesh. Twitter is their recruiting tool, much more than the mosque

It's kind of like a modern (and Sunni) version of the medieval Ḥashshāshīn. The recruit is groomed and isolated before they ever physically join the movement. once there they are stripped of all contact with the outside, and are forced into assorted "rites of passage" (such as executions of "apostates&quot that further separate them from the outside world, and break the recruit down psychologically.

Daesh is, in essence a Jim Jones cult that decided that killing other people is more effective.

[cyberswede]

19. Sad.