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MrScorpio

(73,660 posts)
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:20 PM Nov 2015

If anyone believes that fascism can never come to America...

Last edited Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:55 PM - Edit history (1)

They should take a closer look at Donald Trump.

Other than missing the visually symbolic icons of fascism at this point, what about him that isn't fascist?

He tried the militarization of himself as a military school student, which didn't catch on, of course. But if it did, I don't doubt that he'd be running around in jodhpurs, jackboots and khaki shirts with epaulets and fake medals for his rambling speeches by now.

He appeals to naked nationalism, decrying minorities as an internal enemy to be expunged, calling for military solutions abroad, encouraging thugs to attack his detractors, all on a virulently right-wing platform. His own egotism is promoted as "leadership" and his own narcissism runs amuck, while basking in the adornment of his angry and disaffected mob rallies.

Trump is a pure fascist of the classical sense and the only people who can stop him are Americans who refuse to fall in line with his fascist beliefs.

Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.

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If anyone believes that fascism can never come to America... (Original Post) MrScorpio Nov 2015 OP
He even looks like Benito Mussolini, "il Duce." The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #1
Il Douche ... napkinz Nov 2015 #5
DUzy!!! 2naSalit Nov 2015 #12
May want to copyright those..... daleanime Nov 2015 #72
He also reminds me of Idi Amin--both clownish and brutal, ridiculous and scary. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #76
Oh, yeah, Idi Amin Dada Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #83
He's Mussolini without the shinies.... lastlib Nov 2015 #85
Uncanny resemblance to George C. Scott Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #132
But I bet he'd also make the trains run on time. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #145
Definitely Il Duce Trump neverforget Nov 2015 #68
Uncanny resemblance The Blue Flower Nov 2015 #124
Oh wow SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #128
I wonder if his "fans" would even get it ifhe grew a little mustache world wide wally Nov 2015 #2
I feel as if I'm living in 1930s Germany lately. Coventina Nov 2015 #3
Replete with industrialists supporting the fascists, and quavering "moderates" doing nothing villager Nov 2015 #29
Don't forget an economic rescission for the vast majority of people. Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #79
Weimerica. nt valerief Nov 2015 #35
*golf clap* Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #146
It is. This isn't funny. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #53
The German people were not stupid, but they allowed Hitler to take power Kyblue1 Nov 2015 #69
Check. Check. eom SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #130
"Il Douche" lol +infinity n/t Sprayed tea all over desk. HickFromTheTick Nov 2015 #4
“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross.” immoderate Nov 2015 #6
... napkinz Nov 2015 #7
I believe one of his ex-wives... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #10
... napkinz Nov 2015 #17
"we're going to have to do things that we never did before ..." napkinz Nov 2015 #87
K&R liberalnarb Nov 2015 #8
I certainly wish Bill Clinton had NOT encouraged Trump to run for President. Not helpful of Bill.. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #9
Did that really happen... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #11
Yes, it's true. Bill & Donald now both deny it (of course) but I have no doubt about it. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #18
I doubt Bill's words were "run for President." joshcryer Nov 2015 #21
If true, and Hillary wins the General Election, Volaris Nov 2015 #37
No. joshcryer Nov 2015 #39
Thats what I've never understood. A lot of what he's been for in the past, the RW hates 7962 Nov 2015 #73
It's pure ego. joshcryer Nov 2015 #91
Well, I'm convinced. gregcrawford Nov 2015 #27
And the Clintons regularly buddy around with hifiguy Nov 2015 #57
Keep your enemies closer treestar Nov 2015 #129
Enemies? Seriously? hifiguy Nov 2015 #133
How so? treestar Nov 2015 #140
You have objective knowledge of their voting patterns, or is that merely faith on your part? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #144
Odd to hear a Democrat SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #62
People show their slips occasionally n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #88
I used it ironically... joshcryer Nov 2015 #94
I hated it for years wanting to believe Bill was better than that, daybranch Nov 2015 #108
He earned it. gregcrawford Nov 2015 #113
It might have been a stroke of genius Clinton's part Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #30
+1 joshcryer Nov 2015 #38
"Stroke of genius" not toward helping our democracy but making a mockery of our two Party rhett o rick Nov 2015 #127
I'm not worried about the two party system Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #134
I can certainly understand your faith-based beliefs. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #143
Yes, of course. Trump & Slick Willy must ALWAYS be believed every time they open their mouths 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #147
Are you SURE that really happened? nt 2naSalit Nov 2015 #14
Please see 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #20
I doubt he did. joshcryer Nov 2015 #19
I know it's embarrassing and unseemly, but here it is 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #24
I'm well aware of that report. joshcryer Nov 2015 #26
Of course you say it's "bullshit" and of course they both are trying to deny it now. Cuz it's ugly,. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #33
I say that because it's irrational. joshcryer Nov 2015 #36
I have no particular 'theory' about WHY Bill encouraged Trump to run 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #42
Because he knew Hillary would clean his clock. nt 7962 Nov 2015 #74
You mean, because they had an understanding (wink-nudge) that Trump would take a fall 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #86
Ooh, yes, Trump as magnanimous. joshcryer Nov 2015 #92
Trumps sex life would make Bill's look like Mr. Rogers', by comparison 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #98
Trumps whole candidacy is a perfect representation of the far right. joshcryer Nov 2015 #107
Oh no, I think Trump believes in himself. I think Bill knew it too. 7962 Nov 2015 #95
Ooh, you post your theory in #89. joshcryer Nov 2015 #93
What the hell are you talking about? Post #89 is not even my post... 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #96
I meant #86, you reiterate in #98. joshcryer Nov 2015 #106
But if it's true Trump won't "take a fall", then it wasn't so smart after-all to "encourage" him 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #123
That's what I thought about Reagan and W, and I also thought Americans were too tblue37 Nov 2015 #77
If he did I think it's a brilliant strategic move Shankapotomus Nov 2015 #109
Will it still be a "brilliant move" if Trump actually wins the GE? I think not. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #126
The GOP propped up this guy and made him...He is their monster. yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #13
Fascism is right wing populism. joshcryer Nov 2015 #15
The marriage of corporation & state & intolerance Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #16
First they came for the Muslims. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #41
Come to? It's already here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #22
actually DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #23
DonCo, yer right. chapdrum Nov 2015 #32
The continuing rightward lurch of the GOP is terrifying. Moostache Nov 2015 #25
True, but also the American Dream incarnate. chapdrum Nov 2015 #28
I was wondering .... left-of-center2012 Nov 2015 #31
Not an ounce LittleGirl Nov 2015 #34
That's correct..... paleotn Nov 2015 #40
After the run up the the Iraq War I believe anything could come to America. hollowdweller Nov 2015 #43
Hitler comparisons. hay rick Nov 2015 #44
K&R... spanone Nov 2015 #45
We already live under fascist control elmac Nov 2015 #46
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/10/corporate-media-wont-tell-you-hillary-clinton-is-a-lying-fascist/ stupidicus Nov 2015 #49
That much is blindingly obvious hifiguy Nov 2015 #58
or should be stupidicus Nov 2015 #59
>sigh< Too true. Thanks for bringing this up once again... Hekate Nov 2015 #47
Very true - right down to the point of Muslims carrying "identification" and Hispanics being.... George II Nov 2015 #48
If Trump is the eventual nominee...Will Republicans vote for him INdemo Nov 2015 #50
My republican friend said he will vote Bernie over Trump Marrah_G Nov 2015 #54
Well good..... but Ive talked to people that just dont know INdemo Nov 2015 #60
It's been a bi-partisan thing since the first Clinton admin stupidicus Nov 2015 #51
Not the only one Johnny2X2X Nov 2015 #52
Mussolini - Trump comparison FuzzyRabbit Nov 2015 #55
... napkinz Nov 2015 #63
It's already here! n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #56
One obvious difference between Trump and real fascists: Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #61
Would he though? Chemisse Nov 2015 #65
You honestly think Trumpolini would give up all that power once he was president? hedda_foil Nov 2015 #99
Fascism is more than an insult; it has a definition Nevernose Nov 2015 #135
... napkinz Nov 2015 #64
WHAT DO MEAN, "COULD NEVER COME TO AMERICA"?!? It's already here. catbyte Nov 2015 #66
long before that! TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #119
"Those who forget history are condemed to repeat it. " blackspade Nov 2015 #67
It Can't Happen Here... Kablooie Nov 2015 #70
No form of government is a better match with predatory capitalism hifiguy Nov 2015 #71
We're so close to this not being satire anymore... LS_Editor Nov 2015 #75
Hell is Thespian2 Nov 2015 #78
What I can't understand about the big bear hug the right is giving Fascism Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #80
Here''s how it happens in real life... TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2015 #81
He is blatantly appealing to a very dark and animal side of the human psyche deutsey Nov 2015 #82
If between now and the election he is gifted a house at the top of a mountain...... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #84
this dangerous clown heaven05 Nov 2015 #89
With his hand gestures and facial expressions The Wizard Nov 2015 #90
I don't think it is so much that Trump is a true fascist drmeow Nov 2015 #97
Trump does not scare me. chknltl Nov 2015 #100
I think that we can check off most the things on this list Kalidurga Nov 2015 #101
Wow! I can't believe this is a greatest post that does not blame a certain Democrat for all McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #102
Trump shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #103
He is a buffoon awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #104
It is coming with or without Trump. SadWingsOfDestiny Nov 2015 #105
Great discussion thread thanks Mr. Scorpio. saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #125
Oh, I don't know. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #110
I'm astonished this man is even given credibility as a legitimate candidate. polly7 Nov 2015 #111
He is just a natural extension of having no left wing in our country. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #114
Fascism is totally alive and rising in the person of Trump. lark Nov 2015 #115
Yes. yardwork Nov 2015 #116
They should take another look at Trump's facebook likes. DrBulldog Nov 2015 #117
Oh, you poor deluded suckers. TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #118
AND your exclusive focus on Trump as "imminent" fascism actually helps avoid the real discussion TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #122
Trump is playing to a segment of the GOP base who likes facism Gothmog Nov 2015 #120
"It Can't Happen Here". Sinclair Lewis Ishoutandscream2 Nov 2015 #121
To stop this we must disregard the distraction that it's all the REpublicons fault. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #131
IMO it is already here and in full swing. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #136
The road to fascism started on December 12, 2000. prouddemfromaustin44 Nov 2015 #137
... napkinz Nov 2015 #138
I would like to believe it couldn't happen because I love my country davidpdx Nov 2015 #139
... napkinz Dec 2015 #141
Some of us didn't forget history Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2015 #142

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
83. Oh, yeah, Idi Amin Dada
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:41 PM
Nov 2015

"President for Life" of Uganda before he was exiled to Saudi Arabia via Libya.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
145. But I bet he'd also make the trains run on time.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dec 2015

Of course, they'd be privatized and working people couldn't afford to ride on them...

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
29. Replete with industrialists supporting the fascists, and quavering "moderates" doing nothing
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

...substantial to stop the rise of the right...

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
79. Don't forget an economic rescission for the vast majority of people.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:00 PM
Nov 2015

A propaganda machine that puts Nazi Germany to shame and a populace so distracted by cat videos we could slip into full on Fascism without most of the country even noticing.

Kyblue1

(216 posts)
69. The German people were not stupid, but they allowed Hitler to take power
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:49 PM
Nov 2015

Blame all our problems on minority groups, stir up militaristic ultra patriotic fervor, iconsider basic civil liberties as a hindrance or threat to our safety, and a well financed propaganda machine. Unfortunately our political system has become all about personalities. There is no dispassionate discussion of issues. The candidates are more interested in their own ambition and will attack their opponents without any concern for offering ideas to move the country forward.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
6. “When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross.”
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

What's Trump's favoritist book? Da bible!

--imm

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
10. I believe one of his ex-wives...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

... said he kept Mien Kamf on his bedside table. This sonofabitch is dangerous.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. I certainly wish Bill Clinton had NOT encouraged Trump to run for President. Not helpful of Bill..
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

and not very smart either.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
18. Yes, it's true. Bill & Donald now both deny it (of course) but I have no doubt about it.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:12 PM
Nov 2015
According to several Trump sources (and one Clinton source) who spoke to the Post, the two men spoke over the phone in late May, shortly before Trump announced his run in June. During the call, the Trump sources said, Clinton “encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party” and “analyzed Trump’s prospects and his desire to rouse the G.O.P. base.”

That conversation, said the anonymous Trump sources, certainly didn’t discourage the billionaire to run: while Clinton never outright told Trump to enter the race, he reportedly told Trump that he was “striking a chord with frustrated conservatives and was a rising force on the right,” and his tone was supposedly “encouraging.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-before-presidential-run-2016


Hell they are best buddies, go to each others family events and celebrations, golf together. it's as disgusting as it is completely ignored by the media and by Hillary supporters.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
21. I doubt Bill's words were "run for President."
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015

I suspect it was more like "you should be more involved politically, I think it'd be great for you and the party."

And I think if that's correct, Trump will have fallen for Slick Willy quite badly.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
39. No.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:42 PM
Nov 2015

The greatest troll will be when Trump goes full left and philanthropic to restore his bruised as fuck ego and people fall for it, because Trump says it was his "plan all along."

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
73. Thats what I've never understood. A lot of what he's been for in the past, the RW hates
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:25 PM
Nov 2015

I mean a LOT of things.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
91. It's pure ego.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:57 PM
Nov 2015

He's done the right wing shift because that's where his audience is. Believe it, if he had the chance he would've just as well run as a populist Democrat. Trump cares only about Trump.

And he will shift left when he loses because it will hurt his ego too much.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
57. And the Clintons regularly buddy around with
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

many of the vilest people on earth - Trump, Kissinger, Blankfein, Dimon, Murdoch, Chimpy. Yet somehow this never sinks through the heads of the Fan Club.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
140. How so?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 01:52 PM
Nov 2015

How can Trump be part of the Clinton's base?

I think it immature the way people think they should take it all personally and refuse to speak to their political opponents.

Without golfing with Boehner, for instance, you have less ability to get him to do what you want without him realizing it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
144. You have objective knowledge of their voting patterns, or is that merely faith on your part?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

You have objective knowledge that they indeed and in fact, cast their votes for Clinton, or is that merely faith on your part?

(Which is yet still commendable if the latter, as faith can often be a good thing... as long as we realize that's all it really is: trust in something we do not have full knowledge of, regardless of whether it's secular or religious.)

SCantiGOP

(13,943 posts)
62. Odd to hear a Democrat
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

Use the term "Slick Willy," but I guess that's what one faction on this board has fallen to these days.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
108. I hated it for years wanting to believe Bill was better than that,
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 06:27 AM
Nov 2015

but as it became more clear that I and other democrats had been fooled, I started seeing how accurate it was. NAFTA was the first of his right wing ideas I recognized that hurt working people so much. Today approaching 70, I see many more betrayals of the working class by Slick Willie and see that title used frequently by black activists who I have worked with over the years. It seems clear to me that President Obama whom I worked hard to elect both times like Slick Willie works as a negotiator for his rich donors to keep the revolution from occurring and prevent catastrophic change to their donors bank accounts by relieving some of the most egregious inequities but never and I mean never, ever, challenging the status quo of inequity.
So today we have choice, a real choice, and it is up to us to take it now or wait long for a change that will come, a change of our government to democracy, and away from oligarchy. So far only Bernie, is willing to say the name of the peoples opponents, the rich , billionaires , Corporatists, Wall Street, Big Banks, the medical insurance industry and big Pharma etc.
I am increasingly unset by Hillary and her continued negotiation, always trying to move the people's demands toward a more corporatist, right wing position. People want $15, she says an economist friend tells her $12 is better. We want Medicare for All, she argues for some minor changes to the ACA. WE want to get rid of big money in politics, she say if necessary she would support this. We want to re-institute Glass-Seagull, she says unnecessary and her ideas are better and Glass -Seagull really is beside the point. We want to stop the Keystone Pipeline arguing that the oil it carries is too dirty for our environment, she says fine but the bigger problem is the lesks with existing pipelines. Her saying no one can tell her what to do in response to a challenge regarding her Wall Street donors rings hollow beside the positions she has taken to favor the very wealthy over the people themselves.
You complain about the term Slick Willy and I struggle so hard not to call her Shillary,to symbolize her convincing us to support Wall Street even at our peril, a term I am upset we democrats may see as more fitting as she continues to reveal her real loyalties.
So I guess I will start using it as it encapsulates what I believe and reminds others of her lack of trustworthiness.
Today I am sickened to watch the ever increasing push to false Nationalism and war by the right wing and Shillary. I am ashamed as to how the Main Stream Media stokes fears in order to play up Shillary's strong leader perceptions It is amazing to me, that during her stint of Secretary of State that her highest praise came from right wing war zealots, republicans one and all. But her supporters apparently never notice her lack of real achievement except to engineers more conflict according to neocon wishes. Her supporters, women and supporters of women rights, seemed so needy as willing to recognize the praise was coming from many of those same people democrats hate as war mongers. But when you got nothing else except a desire to see a woman as President grab the praise that supports your closed mind.
So I gues I will add Shillary to the vocabulary, it seems so appropriate.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
113. He earned it.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:45 AM
Nov 2015

NAFTA, gutting the welfare system, abolishing Glass Steagall are only three of the "highlights" of Clinton's tenure. Yes, he left office with a budget surplus, but he inflated it by picking the pocket of the Social Security Trust Fund in direct violation of the Budget Enforcement Act of 1990.

His record of service to the banksters is well documented. A con artist that calls himself a Democrat is still a con artist, but I guess slavish obeisance to a name in the face of brazen betrayal is what one faction on this board has fallen to these days.

Have a nice day.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
30. It might have been a stroke of genius Clinton's part
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

I'm not worried about Trump becoming president.

If I were a Republican and Trump gets the nomination, I'd be very worried about the GOP ever recovering from it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
127. "Stroke of genius" not toward helping our democracy but making a mockery of our two Party
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:50 PM
Nov 2015

System. We need to viable parties to balance the left against the right. Now we have the conservatives and the whacko's. The left has been systematically disenfranchised. We need progressive policies, not more of the same conservative policies that has given us 50 million Americans living in poverty and the worse health care in the modern world. The f'n status quo has given us the highest infant mortality rate of all modern nations. Thanks conservatives in both parties.

We must change the status quo and get money out of politics. How can some Democrats justify continuing the corruption of our government by big dirty money???

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
134. I'm not worried about the two party system
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:30 PM
Nov 2015

The Democrats are already a two party system all by themselves.

After the clown car drives over the cliff, Thelma and Louise style, the only thing holding progressives to the Democratic Party (fear of Republicans) is no longer a factor. I don't feel wanted in Rahm Emanuel's party, do you? I don't have Stockholm syndrome and don't want to stay in a relationship with someone who calls me a "retard." Do you? How did you feel when you were called a racist for opposing NSA spying? The same set of principles that draw progressives to support Amnesty International or oppose totalitarian-like intrusion into the lives of private citizens everywhere also draw us to support BLM.

I'm not suggesting that we break with the Democratic Party in this election cycle. I'd like to be able to hold together with the Democratic Party establishment long enough to see the see the GOP swept into the dust bin of history.

However, I will always support humanist principles over corporatism and continue to decry the Democratic Party's mad march to embrace an institutionally corrupt alliance with cold artificial persons over what is made of warm flesh and blood.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
143. I can certainly understand your faith-based beliefs.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

" Bill & Donald now both deny it (of course) but I have no doubt about it..."

I can certainly understand your faith-based beliefs. Often, our bias compels us to modify the written record, or even dismiss it altogether if it doesn't validate our faith.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
147. Yes, of course. Trump & Slick Willy must ALWAYS be believed every time they open their mouths
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:50 PM
Dec 2015

NOT.

"I did not have a conversation with that man"

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
19. I doubt he did.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:13 PM
Nov 2015

But if Clinton's May phone call gave Trump visions of grandeur it did a bang up job exposing the right wing as fascists.

When Trump loses, of course, he'll swing left, become philanthropic, and say it was all theater.

And the left will eat it up.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
24. I know it's embarrassing and unseemly, but here it is
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

"According to several Trump sources (and one Clinton source) who spoke to the Post, the two men spoke over the phone in late May, shortly before Trump announced his run in June. During the call, the Trump sources said, Clinton “encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party” and “analyzed Trump’s prospects and his desire to rouse the G.O.P. base.”

That conversation, said the anonymous Trump sources, certainly didn’t discourage the billionaire to run: while Clinton never outright told Trump to enter the race, he reportedly told Trump that he was “striking a chord with frustrated conservatives and was a rising force on the right,” and his tone was supposedly “encouraging.”"
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-before-presidential-run-2016

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
26. I'm well aware of that report.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:21 PM
Nov 2015

And I think it's absolute bullshit.

Trump is too egotistical to fall on his sword for the Clintons.

At most he was manipulated into running.

He has no shot at winning and if you think he can win then you may actually believe the shit spewing from his fascist mouth.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
33. Of course you say it's "bullshit" and of course they both are trying to deny it now. Cuz it's ugly,.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:35 PM
Nov 2015




But Trump and the Clintons are part of the same Big Club -- AKA the Oligarchy -- that George Carlin
talked about in this viral clip.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
36. I say that because it's irrational.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

Trump would not have run if he didn't think he could win. His ego is far too big for that. Your "theory" presume that Clinton convinced Trump to run, and lose, in order to get his wife in the white house. And even if that "theory" is true, then either way it exposes the GOP base as fascist. Either way Bill is a mad genius.

Trump has no shot at winning.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
42. I have no particular 'theory' about WHY Bill encouraged Trump to run
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:57 PM
Nov 2015

who knows what else was said, or what Bill's motivations were, or any of that. The
size of Trump's ego has nothing to do with it IMHO.

All I have said here, is that Bill encouraged Trump to run, so he is partially responsible
for this out-and-out fascist being in the race, and for a strong likelihood that he will
be the GOP nominee.

So then -- if Hillary is the Dem nominee -- it's "heads-I-win, tails-you-lose" for the Oligarchy;
which I have posted before when discussing this travesty

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
86. You mean, because they had an understanding (wink-nudge) that Trump would take a fall
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:54 PM
Nov 2015

for Team Hillary and the Oligarchy.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
98. Trumps sex life would make Bill's look like Mr. Rogers', by comparison
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:08 AM
Nov 2015

Trumps whole candidacy appears to be some kind of mind-fuck on the American electorate,
intentionally engineered by these 2 fellow Oligarchs .. like I said, who knows what the details
are, but the end result is Clinton V. Trump = 'heads I win, tails you lose" = Oligarchy wins either
way.

The whole thing is disgusting IMHO, funny business? Yes. But not funny ha-ha.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
107. Trumps whole candidacy is a perfect representation of the far right.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 05:09 AM
Nov 2015

That's why if Bill talked to him it was to nudge him into politics because he knew they'd eat it up. Running for President? Bill Clinton could not have wished for something more amazing.

And if you think Hillary Clinton is the same as Trump you're delusional.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
95. Oh no, I think Trump believes in himself. I think Bill knew it too.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:11 AM
Nov 2015

And Bill knew Trump would go all in, but Hillary could beat him. Not that Trump would do the "job". (pro wrestling term)

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
93. Ooh, you post your theory in #89.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:07 AM
Nov 2015

And in the post I responded to you claimed Bill encouraged Trump to run.

Fucking hell, let's go with it, Bill is a political god if he guaranteed a democratic win and destroyed the Republicans for a generation. Yes Trump is just that bad.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
96. What the hell are you talking about? Post #89 is not even my post...
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:58 AM
Nov 2015

Post #89 is not my post, it's by heaven05 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7385806

Saying:

89. this dangerous clown

is our Mussolini....... only because misguided and basically racist, hateful people like him and they are a growing legion.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
106. I meant #86, you reiterate in #98.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 05:07 AM
Nov 2015

Was on my phone when I posted that, hard to go back and double check.

My mistake.

Hint hint oligarchy, lol. Trump would not fall on his sword for the Clintons.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
123. But if it's true Trump won't "take a fall", then it wasn't so smart after-all to "encourage" him
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

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to run for president.

You can't have it both ways.

tblue37

(65,831 posts)
77. That's what I thought about Reagan and W, and I also thought Americans were too
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:50 PM
Nov 2015

spoiled and soft to tolerate the kinds of abuse they've been tolerating sice the 2000 election was stolen.

I do believe, though, that the true powers in the oligarchy have many ways to remove a candidate they cannot control.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
109. If he did I think it's a brilliant strategic move
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:28 AM
Nov 2015

I also think, to a certain extent, the President intentionally contributed in encouraging Trump to run when he made a fool of him at the White House correspondent's dinner. Trump's ego was severely bruised that night and he saw the position and power that enabled Pres. Obama to embarrass him so badly. Personally I think that was all it took for an egomaniac like Trump to decide he wanted that same kind of power for himself and I think that's what many democratic strategists were hoping for. Why?

Because they know Trump running and being nominated will have only two possible outcomes:

1. Trump just running and participating in the debates is severely damaging the Republican brand, whether he loses or is nominated and wins. The fact that conservatives put this egomaniac on the same stage is a huge win for democrats right there.

2. Even if Trump wins, his nomination and election will have shifted the Republican Party so far into crazy town things are bound to not go well for him and his party while he's in office.

Of course, Trump being elected looks bad if you take the short view. But I imagine democratic political strategist take the long view and see having a wreaking ball leading Republicans, who is going to antagonize all different groups is going to ultimately reap rewards for the Democratic brand.



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
126. Will it still be a "brilliant move" if Trump actually wins the GE? I think not.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:28 PM
Nov 2015

I can't help but notice how Bill's apologists on this string have gone from "oh no, Bill didn't
really do that did he?" ... to "Oh it was a brilliant strategic move by Bill to encourage Trump
to run".

There's an old saying: Be careful what you ask for. It's also called unintended consequences.

Bill encouraged an out-and-out FACIST with unlimited resources and broad populist support
to run for POTUS. NOT a very smart move IMHO, and the recent incendiary racist rhetoric
being spewed by Trump is ALREADY fanning racist hatred that is getting innocent people of
color beat-up, attacked violently at or near Trump rallies. <-- is this 'brilliant' too?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
22. Come to? It's already here.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Nov 2015

Oh, it's not in complete control yet, but it has its tentacles throughout.

Everybody should support Black Lives Matter out of self interest. The fascists might not be beating and murdering the rest of us in large numbers yet, but as the poem goes, if you don't speak out, eventually they come for everyone.

DonCoquixote

(13,617 posts)
23. actually
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

as horrifying as Trump is, in his own way, he is doing us a service.

OK, hear me out.

Trump is not saying anything the GOP has not said for years. The difference is, beforehand, some glib "nice person" GOP supporter would get on MSNBC and calm people down, and make people say that candidate X actually was not saying this thing that we liberals heard he said. Trump does not WANT, or frankly NEED that, so while we see the hounds of hell eagerly eating the red meat he throws out, we can also dispense with the silly notion that no one really wants to feed those dogs red meat, especially if they have to butcher us to make it. In other words, the mask is off. My real terror is that Trump walks off stage, and then a Jeb or Rubio takes the mic and says "see, I am the compassionate conservative, not that THAT guy." It is a role that is well practiced in Florida, by the two people who are running from there. What makes the compassionate conservative bit deadly is that it is a candy coating that hides poison. I can tell you as a Florida resident that both these two are well to the right of W. Yes, I said that.

They also know very well how to exploit the weaknesses of Chairwoman DWS. Marco got his job because Crist divided the democrats, or to be more precise, allowed Debbie to throw the liberal to the wolves. They know that Debbie will not allow Hillary to budge one inch to the left, indeed, her people already think Hillary's half cup of dry kibble is already to much red meat, because they only value anyone to the left of them as election day filler. A Trump would make a clear, loud case for even the Hillary haters to get out there and vote, risking the cops, KKK, and others who will do their best to threaten them into staying home. Jeb, Marco, they have worked with Debbie, and they know Debbie will not work very hard to get the sheer numbers out in places like Florida. Hell, her candidates for governor lose by margins that are laughable, stories of fraud hit the news, but they wind up folding like cheap suits.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
32. DonCo, yer right.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:33 PM
Nov 2015

"Trump is not saying anything the GOP has not said for years..."
Your read makes perfect sense.

Moostache

(9,953 posts)
25. The continuing rightward lurch of the GOP is terrifying.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

The things that they have said and proposed since the Paris attacks are stunning in the approximation to historical atrocities that they are willing to revisit.

Registrations.
Symbols to differentiate.
Detention camps.

Jesus Fucking Christ. They are literally suggesting a return to the Final Solution.

I am sitting here in abject horror that these kinds of suggestions do not end a candidate's career let alone that they propel and keep Trump in the lead.

This cannot be allowed.

 

chapdrum

(930 posts)
28. True, but also the American Dream incarnate.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

One of his defenders recently referred to Don as "a brand name."
We know much we just love our brand names, so Don has that well in his favor
(and is probably mainly why he's leading).

Who really doesn't want to be rich? So rich in fact, that you have so
much f you money that you're not beholden to any corporation or person, if you decide to run for "president."

Don is now the ultimate Republican, due almost entirely to decades of mainstream media
not making clear that the average Republican politician "has no clothes."

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
31. I was wondering ....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

When will Trump supporters start giving the stiff armed Trump salute and wear armbands?

LittleGirl

(8,299 posts)
34. Not an ounce
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:37 PM
Nov 2015

of self awareness or reflecting the core of American Values. He only deals with first-world-problems. He's been a member of the .01% since birth. He doesn't know any better and I'll never understand how anyone can think he's good for the US. If you think we have enemies now, just consider what it would be like with him elected President. We expatriates in Europe will have to come up some kind of way to reassure our neighbors that that guy does not represent us/me at all. #FeelTheBern

paleotn

(18,417 posts)
40. That's correct.....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

....I had to stop watching Man in the High Castle. Not only is it too close to reality in 21st century America, but way too dark for even me (my better half still can't believe that's possible.) Heir Trump is too dangerous even as a third party spoiler. Lets hope and pray he finally implodes like Carson. His only talent seems to be bringing out the absolute, ugly worst in certain Americans.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
43. After the run up the the Iraq War I believe anything could come to America.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

I mean the UN inspectors were finding nothing. We were giving our allies shit who questioned. The media totally rolled over.

Seeing people who I normally think go by facts totally fall for that bullshit I totally understood how the Nazi's managed to win over even seemingly normal people.

hay rick

(7,890 posts)
44. Hitler comparisons.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

In recent years, reference to gratuitous Hitler comparisons has been used to ridicule internet discussions generally. With the ascendance of Trump, the dismissive laughter suddenly sounds very hollow.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
46. We already live under fascist control
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

Michigan, where I live, even the dems go along with the fascist controlled Gov, house and senate. Majority of the state and federal government is under fascist control. Fascism isn't about military control but corporate control of the government.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
49. http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/10/corporate-media-wont-tell-you-hillary-clinton-is-a-lying-fascist/
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

eom

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
59. or should be
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

but in many I'm sure, the guilt that might follow of the association kind does get in the way of partial, much less full acceptance of it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
48. Very true - right down to the point of Muslims carrying "identification" and Hispanics being....
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:55 PM
Nov 2015

....rounded up and deported.

His campaign is probably just a week or two from elevating that to concentration camps, serial number tattoos, and maybe worse.

INdemo

(6,995 posts)
50. If Trump is the eventual nominee...Will Republicans vote for him
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:03 PM
Nov 2015

just because he is their nominee and have no other choice?

What is shocking to me is that Republicans that I've talked to or overheard conversations about him
Is hell yes they would and that is scary.

There are some Democrats I know that are not politically savvy say Trump is their choice..


















INdemo

(6,995 posts)
60. Well good..... but Ive talked to people that just dont know
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:32 PM
Nov 2015

would vote for Trump citing he is paying his own way and my answer not so.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
51. It's been a bi-partisan thing since the first Clinton admin
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:03 PM
Nov 2015

who did a great deal to facillitate it's growth, including strengthening the propaganda wing of it with the 1996 Telecommunications Act.

Johnny2X2X

(19,951 posts)
52. Not the only one
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

All of the GOP candidates are talking about scary things. And what's worse is that they represent a decent sized segment of society. There's about 25% of the country willing to round up people and put them into concentration camps.

These are scary times for the country.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
61. One obvious difference between Trump and real fascists:
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

Trump, if elected, would leave power peacefully in 4 or 8 years when the democratic process demanded it.

"Fascist" doesn't just mean "nasty piece of work", or even "nasty, right-wing, militaristic piece of work".

Lawrence Britt has a lot to answer for.

Chemisse

(30,867 posts)
65. Would he though?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:25 PM
Nov 2015

There have been efforts in the past to press for a change so that a sitting president can run for a third term. There was talk of that with Reagan. It died down; probably because his dementia was becoming pretty obvious.

hedda_foil

(16,416 posts)
99. You honestly think Trumpolini would give up all that power once he was president?
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:43 AM
Nov 2015

My nightmare is that he would ignore the laws and customs of our government when he disagreed with or disliked them ... or simply because they were inconvenient for him. I can easily see him refusing to leave office, even if he were impeached and convicted.

This bastard is running for dictator, and he could just win.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
135. Fascism is more than an insult; it has a definition
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

This author -- as well as the many authors she links to -- argue successfully, IMO, that Trump meets the actual standards of actual fascists.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/donald_trump_is_a_fascist_it_is_the_political_label_that_best_describes.html

Id like to think that he'd leave in 4 or 8 years, too. But I can't predict the future, and I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around how far Trump has gotten: we can't even predict the PAST with this guy.

catbyte

(34,844 posts)
66. WHAT DO MEAN, "COULD NEVER COME TO AMERICA"?!? It's already here.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

Trump is just a symptom, not the disease. We the People lost this country around 1981 when Reagan was elected. As I see it, that signaled the beginning of the end.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
119. long before that!
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:44 AM
Nov 2015

Do you truly believe that a nation, no matter what it called its system of governance and what type of language it used to propagandize itself, founded on genocide and the enslavement of people they never believed to be fully human, was ever truly anything OTHER than proto-fascist at best?

Kablooie

(18,693 posts)
70. It Can't Happen Here...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 08:07 PM
Nov 2015


It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical 1935 political novel by American author Sinclair Lewis. Published during the rise of fascism in Europe, the novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a populist United States Senator who is elected to the presidency after promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and traditional values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government and imposes a plutocratic/totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of Adolf Hitler and the SS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
75. We're so close to this not being satire anymore...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:36 PM
Nov 2015

People are being assaulted at Trump rallies and other places because of his divisive and hateful rhetoric.

So close...

Trump Invites Black Lives Matter Activists to "Dogs & Fire Hoses Rally"


PHOENIX, ARIZONA (The Nil Admirari) - Earlier today, Republican presidential candidate and extremely bored billionaire Donald Trump invited Black Lives Matter activists to his "Dogs & Fire Hoses Rally" in Phoenix later this week in order to open a dialogue. Trump supporters are being encouraged to bring breeds of dogs usually used by law enforcement agencies from home - if they have them - to facilitate the exchange of ideas during the rally, but Black Lives Matter activists in Phoenix have told TNA they were told to only bring themselves.

+

Trump added, "The Black Lives Matter people are not allowed to bring dogs. That will just be too confusing having all of those dogs around. How would we be able to exchange ideas with each other in a respectful and brutally straightforward way with all of those dogs?"



Confronted a family member today, who had the balls to deny Trump was racist. We are so far away from where we should be.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
78. Hell is
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:52 PM
Nov 2015

being compelled to listen to an endless live-stream of tRump's rambling ego bursts (speeches)...


Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
80. What I can't understand about the big bear hug the right is giving Fascism
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:05 PM
Nov 2015

Is how close we still are to WW2. I mean there are people still walking around with numbers on their arms. How have we forgotten already?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,434 posts)
84. If between now and the election he is gifted a house at the top of a mountain......
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 10:50 PM
Nov 2015

by the PTB on the right.....



WATCH THE FUCK OUT!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
89. this dangerous clown
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:17 PM
Nov 2015

is our Mussolini....... only because misguided and basically racist, hateful people like him and they are a growing legion.

The Wizard

(12,653 posts)
90. With his hand gestures and facial expressions
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:48 PM
Nov 2015

all that's missing is the little square mustache. Check it out. Mel Brooks could make a movie of him, a very funny movie. The best way to take down a tyrant is ridicule.
"Hitler, now there was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon ----- two coats."
(Franz Liepkund)

drmeow

(5,096 posts)
97. I don't think it is so much that Trump is a true fascist
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:05 AM
Nov 2015

While he certainly embraces the corporate control of government which is a hallmark of fascism, I really think that Trump just wants to be a dictator (in everything) and fascism is the only way to become the dictator of the US. If communism was the way to a dictatorship here, he'd be screaming comrade right and left.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
101. I think that we can check off most the things on this list
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:28 AM
Nov 2015

But, thank goodness we have the illusion that we have a voice in our government. If it were not for that people might just riot. Oh, never mind.

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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
102. Wow! I can't believe this is a greatest post that does not blame a certain Democrat for all
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:42 AM
Nov 2015

the world's ills--including fascism. When I clicked on this one, it was with an internal "OMG! They've really jumped the shark this time! They are going to compare Clinton to Mussolini!"

Very pleasantly surprised to find that a lot of folks at DU still have their eyes on the prize---and common sense to boot!

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
103. Trump shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:16 AM
Nov 2015

It says something about how this country still doesn't have it's you-know-what (rhymes with "fit&quot together when at least 30%-40% of voters actually consider supporting this man and how he's given ample airtime. Between his lack of experience in politics, his hot-headed personality, and him capitalizing on fear and hate, he does not belong anywhere near the White House. A president is supposed to represent all Americans and all walks of life, but how could he possibly do it? He has no ideas that are proven to help non-rich Americans financially, he lacks a detailed vision regarding how to help the country, and his rhetoric creates resentment and otherization. The same thing pretty much applies to his GOP rivals, except he has a shorter fuse and is more blunt. The silver lining about having Trump front and center, though, is that he's bringing out of the closet the bitterness within his party. This should draw an even starker contrast between us and them (as if the contrast wasn't already stark), possibly enraging more people and motivating them to vote against the GOP. The more they have extremists such as Trump representing their party, the less likely they'll be relevant nationally in future elections.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
104. He is a buffoon
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:18 AM
Nov 2015

just as Mussolini and Hitler were once thought. He is a fucking dangerous person- he knows exactly how to tap into the hate held by many (well armed) white people in this country. Maybe I am blowing things out of proportion, but he scares me more than any external enemy ever could.

 
105. It is coming with or without Trump.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:51 AM
Nov 2015

The format was already in place, awaiting Trump to arrive.

If not Trump, then another, like Trump, would fill the niche.

Once the niche is created, there is a long line of buffoons ready to take the mantle.









saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
125. Great discussion thread thanks Mr. Scorpio.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:13 PM
Nov 2015

Ted Cruz is even more dangerous. He keeps his verbal fires of faux religion hidden under "Sam, I am" (for the moment).

Once the niche is created, there is a long line of buffoons ready to take the mantle.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
110. Oh, I don't know.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:53 AM
Nov 2015

I think a Kanye West candidacy for the Presidency, as we're told there will be next time, would be about the same.

I don't think he's much different or worse than Sarah Palin either.

The problem is, the Right has been electing obviously unqualified people to offices at all levels for quite some time. There wasn't a big enough outcry about that, so they kept doing it and getting worse all the time.

I don't like Trump either, but I think a comparison to the major fascists of the 20th century is a bit overblown. (That was deliberate understatement as an emphasis on absurdity.) He's a predator capitalist if anything, and a clown -- just another out of the clown car.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
111. I'm astonished this man is even given credibility as a legitimate candidate.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:55 AM
Nov 2015

It would be like Rob Ford up here running for PM ....... it would scare the * out of me.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
112. He is just a natural extension of having no left wing in our country.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:00 AM
Nov 2015

When it truly is all about the money, all about winning, all about the self. When even our left wing appears right wing, you know our right is in full throttle.

The more wealth and power corporations accrue, the more Trump and his ilk prosper, the swifter our descent.

Sometimes, in my darker moments, I think a quick descent is just what the people need to wake the hell up. But, I fear they still wouldn't. When even in the face of assured climate destruction and misery for their own children they refuse to act the least bit responsibly, I doubt a little jackbooted thuggery against the least of us would faze them any more.

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

lark

(23,537 posts)
115. Fascism is totally alive and rising in the person of Trump.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

OMG, demonizing minorities, promoting violence against minorities, Muslim registries, closing Muslim religious establishments, control of the nation by the rich corporations, could be resemble Hitler any more closely? That Americans support him is just a sign of how far the rw 1%eres have pushed the sheeple.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
117. They should take another look at Trump's facebook likes.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Nov 2015

He now has more likes than Bernie and Hillary COMBINED. Over FOUR MILLION.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
118. Oh, you poor deluded suckers.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Nov 2015

You think that fascism is something that still needs to "come to" us. You think that electing Obama was proof we are "still" "free".

Your demand for the flying of the old indicators of fascism is the weakness to your analysis. Your understanding of fascism and how it operates is stuck in a mid-20th Century model.

Suckers.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
122. AND your exclusive focus on Trump as "imminent" fascism actually helps avoid the real discussion
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:02 PM
Nov 2015

Your choice to single out the loudest momentary proponent of American totalitarianism as threat of fascism's "possible arrival" on US shores actually serves the ruling elite quite nicely. As long as people are focused on the loudest, most offensive distraction they are much less likely to engage in historic, long term systemic analysis of oppression. We are free now because Trump isn't yet elected, right?

Trump isn't saying or doing anything outside of the American cultural mainstream -- he simply says it more clearly and directly than the other candidates. How can any of you think that he is suggesting ideas not already woven through the very foundation of our history and belief systems? Trump is nothing but a mirror for the nation. Look closely. Don't look away or try to pretend that he is "bringing" something not already here.

Gothmog

(148,998 posts)
120. Trump is playing to a segment of the GOP base who likes facism
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:54 AM
Nov 2015

The GOP base has a large number of idiots who do not like the direction the country is moving in and do not want to be minorities because they fear that they will be treated the same way that they treated minorities

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
131. To stop this we must disregard the distraction that it's all the REpublicons fault.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

The Elite of the Democratic Party has sold out to big corporations. Look at the backers of Clinton. This is a giant step toward fascism. The support of the Patriot Act and domestic spying by conservative DEmocrats is another step. We must take our Party back from the conservatives.

 
137. The road to fascism started on December 12, 2000.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

This country hasn't recovered ever since that fateful day. I just hope we won't see a repeat of December 12 come November next year...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
139. I would like to believe it couldn't happen because I love my country
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:37 PM
Nov 2015

Could it happen? Yes, but many more serious events would have to take place to head in that direction. One of those events would be a mass exit of people leaving the country as fast as they could. Mexico would be laughing its ass off given how much of a fuss some people in our country are so anti-immigrant.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
142. Some of us didn't forget history
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:33 PM
Dec 2015

but we are still doomed to repeat it because the majority forgot history or never learned it in the first place. Kind of sucks.

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