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A CNN report published Wednesday found that at least one over-the-counter product tested positive for illegally high levels of the neurotoxin imidacloprid. CNN commissioned tests by an independent lab, and the report ultimately led to a recall of 2,362 pot products. A similar Denver Post study in September yielded similar findings -- some of the cannabis products tested had as much as six times the federally allowed limit on pesticides in consumable products.
If the pesticides had been found on, say, avocados, the products would have been taken off the shelves immediately. But Colorado's oversight of pesticides on marijuana has been limited, other than a handful of recalls and plant quarantines.
Colorado and other states that recently legalized marijuana are just beginning to grapple with the pesticide issue. An absence of federal regulation has left the states struggling to figure out how to pass pesticide legislation, how to enforce it and which agencies should be doing the enforcing.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colorado-marijuana-pesticides_5655fcf4e4b079b28189fb8c?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,263 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)2naSalit
(86,629 posts)Just how many "pests" would cannabis be vulnerable to? And Why are such substances being used on consumable vegetation?
ETA: Perhaps this is one vector for the "pot is harmful" crowd to make sure that they are taken seriously.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And as to who would put pesticides on consumable vegetable matter, surely you are joking.
2naSalit
(86,629 posts)in a cynical sense. I live in between two large ag areas and have no curiosity as to who would do that... most of them do. I have seen the diseased field workers and their lack of power in changing things. A friend from college wrote a dissertation about it which was subsequently buried.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)There are natural approaches as in all other forms of cultivation.
2naSalit
(86,629 posts)and I agree, there are far better ways to deal with them than with some of the pesticides out there. Some organic means include "partner plants" which actually repel many pests And some you can make a tea and spray that on the plants. If you are licensed professionals that should be the course. Those who ravage the public lands and trash everything in the area, shouldn't have a market for your "product". Growing your own should be legal as well.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)mildew, mold, and insects every year.
Products to treat these are created for both edible and non-edible crops. A fungus on a golf green would make golfers unhappy, so I need something that will take that out even if I have to grow in conditions that are ideal for, say, dollar spot or any of the others. The apple grower needs one too, but you may have to eat hers.
Microscopic bugs and mildew/mold spores are airborne contaminants so any movement of you or wind in the vicinity of the plant is enough to coat it liberally. That comes from the plants you passed while you were out, or what blew in your front door when you opened it. Indoor crops, by design, often create an environment ideal for these, so some thought has to be paid to them, and perhaps more depending on your crops. They are everywhere. I prefer to make treating these things part of my growing routine, and I use the fertilizers, water, and herbs with an eye toward this. Haven't seen any in a while, except in other folk's gardens. If you really want to see the bugs and PM, plant some lima beans outside. They like that stuff a lot.
Because the people have let the gov make cannabis illegal, the labeling and testing requirements which would normally protect us are of no use. The grower, even the upstanding grower with the best intentions, seeing a crop dying from fungus after 10 weeks and hundreds of hours and hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of dollars of investment may well not read the directions beyond how much to measure, if the product is supposed to save the crop. And not all of it is grown by people who can read. Or who care.
WA state is doing everything it can to encourage a healthy black market, adding to the problem while they take in some revenue from their stores and pat everyone on the back. Tens of thousands of new felons coming soon.
On the other hand, I suspect the sugar in you Starbucks will kill your ass quicker than the mold on the worst ditch weed, if the survival rate of 17 years olds is any indication, because they either move up, move on, or quit.
At the same time we subsidize sugar and look for a cure for cancers and diabetes. But that's another post...
Rex
(65,616 posts)Sounds like some folks don't know how to grow it.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)uncle ray
(3,156 posts)lots of "legal weed" does not get tested. the motivation to use pesticides goes beyond laziness, it has more to do with not wanting to trash hundreds of pounds of a commercial crop because of a poorly timed pest invasion.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)I know that sounds impossible thats what they call it. I my self have no problem with smoking a few mites but it is the systemics pesticides that a Lazy grower will use and that is whats harmful.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)30. Level II Validation of Methodology used for
quantification of THC, THCA and CBD for total
cannabinoid content (if reporting other
cannabinoids, the method must also be validated
for those compounds):
a. Single Lab Validation parameters are
demonstrated for GC, HPLC data review
i. linearity of reference standards
ii. use of daily standard curve;
iii. accuracy,
iv. precision,
v. Recovery (5 determinations not less than
90%),
vi. reproducibility over time within a relative
standard deviation of 5%;
b. Dynamic range of the instrumentation: Limits of
Quantification (LOQ) and Limits of Detection
(LOD)
c. Matrix extensions for each type of product
tested, data review of recovery for
i. solvent-based extract;
ii. CO2 extraction or other ―hash oil‖;
iii. extract made with food grade ethanol;
iv. extract made with food grade glycerin or
propylene glycol;
v. infused liquids;
vi. infused solids;
vii. infused topical preparations;
viii. other oils, butter or fats
d. Presence of QC samples and recording of daily
testing
e. Appropriate use of an internal reference
standard
f. Daily monitoring of the response of the
instrument detection system
31. Other Methods
a. Microbiological methods fit for purpose:
b. Microbial Contaminants within limits of those
listed in the most recent AHP monograph and
otherwise directed by WSLCB
c. Moisture Content Testing fit for purpose.
Scientifically valid testing methodology: either
AHP monograph compliant, other third party
validation.
d. Solvent Residuals Testing fit for purpose;
Solvent extracted products made with class 3
or other solvents used are not to exceed 0.5%
residual solvent by weight or 500 parts per
million (PPM) per one gram of solvent based
product and are to be tested.
e. Any other QA/QC methods is proven to be fit
for purpose
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's like any other flowering plant. You think it is in some biological cul de sac?
Grow some milkweed and watch the butterflies show up.
There are insects for every niche.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Serious question.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Mealy bugs, aphids, nematodes, slugs, thrips, spider mites. Damn, these people must be hallucinating if they think there are any pests which can go after a marijuana crop.
Cannabis is not some magical plant that bugs think are sacred. Life didn't evolve over billions of years to leave other life alone.
Clearly, there are a number of techniques which the careful grower can employ to avoid the use of pesticides. As with anything, the folks who go off on federal land, booby trap it, and dump nutrient waste are not careful growers.
There are always pests. Some of them have two legs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)SO have fun with that.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)We do not live in a world free of stupid people.
There are pests which go after cannabis. There are stupid people, motivated by time, yield and profit, who grow cannabis in irresponsible ways.
You can choose to believe that or not.
Nutrient waste is going to be a significant problem on the horizon. All those bottles of "hey, wow, ph balanced lovin good stuff fer yer indoor hydro plants" end up going into the wastewater system.
It's important to do things responsibly. This is a rapidly growing commercial market in which many entrants have the environmental sense of your average California gold prospector in 1850.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Growing it outside is not smart either, I guess it has to be grown outside for mass production.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Since it can't be shipped over state lines, and the growing season in CO, WA and OR are not the longest...
Pesticide use is easy to police. Some of the other emerging issues are nutrient waste and power consumption with the sodium and MH lights:
http://www.denverpost.com/environment/ci_28417456/pot-boom-spikes-denver-electric-demand-challenges-clean
GOLDEN Surging electricity consumption by Colorado's booming marijuana industry is sabotaging Denver's push to use less energy just as the White House perfects a Clean Power Plan to cut carbon pollution.
Citywide electricity use has been rising at the rate of 1.2 percent a year, and 45 percent of that increase comes from marijuana-growing facilities, Denver officials said Wednesday.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)last year, and wiped out my eggplant, too. The horrible bright red bugs that just freaking take over the whole plant. I've read that planting radishes around strawberries and fennel, too, can provide pest deterrence.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)We have a pretty good veggie garden and never use pesticides. The only thing I've ever seen on the pot plants are horn worms and white flies. The ladybugs and lacewings take care of the white flies but I have to manually pick off the horn worms at which point they go into the bird feeder and become birdie num nums.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I think I got one crawling around on my computer screen, but everytime I hit him he just keeps moving!
msongs
(67,406 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)...is to grow your own, and stay far, FAR away from Industrial Pollution and Factory Ag Farms, but especially stay away from mega-toxic suburbs...FAR away.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)timber industries. It's sad but extremely true. You have to check the locality no matter the setting.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)and some are downwind from Coal Fired Power plants,
and some are down river from Industrial Waste Dumping,
and some are downhill from neighbors that dump pollutants and psticides on the ground.
I recommend staying away from ALL of that.
There are still thousands of pristine areas in rural America, watered by crystal clear deep springs on hill tops that avoid downhill contamination.
I suggest due diligence, and looking in the Deep South for pristine areas.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)No-brainer Argument for legalization and above-board regulation vs. the black market.
Also Oregon, despite having only recently legalized, is all over this:
http://www.oregonlive.com/marijuana/index.ssf/2015/11/oregon_drafts_rules_for_pestic.html
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)It delayed dispensary openings for months. The very first batch legally grown had to be thrown out for pesticides; another was thrown out for mold. They assay one portion of every five pounds, giving accurate THC, CBD, and CBH content to the decibel. I have complete confidence in the product I'm buying, even if it will take another 60 days before the first edibles and concentrates are available.
By the way: Nevada is the only state with full MMJ reciprocity, and there are dispensaries happy to sell to anyone, just minutes from the Strip. Please come visit, and remember that the stupid amount of money you spend on gambling and shopping (and legal hookers just a half an hour north) goes to the children of the Silver State. Do it for the kids.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)too much, keeping the temps and humidity under control, regular foliar spraying with fans to blow dry, earthworms,..
bugs? Not so much.
Did see an entire warehouse full of plants, No wind, not a fan in sight. Employee was spending a ton of the owner's money on sprays at the grow store, to fight powdery mildew and mites. Said it was cheaper than fans.
Wished them luck.