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As I sit down to consume the glorious leftovers, I pondered this age old question.
Is there a difference between stuffing and dressing, or are they synonymous?
I know it's plain delicious whatever you call it, but is stuffing the same as dressing and vice versa?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,312 posts)ie stuffed inside. As opposed to dressing, which is external.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Although, if your turkey is lethal, the stuffing is probably the least of your worries.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)due to just what you are talking about. It's not worth the risk.
I made cornbread dressing with celery, onion, various spices and stock.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I should have guessed!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)only to inspire divisiveness on the lovely day after Thanksgiving.
And now we have this butthead shooting people in CO.
I feel as though I have much to be thankful for. It saddens me that so many feel they have so little left to lose that they things like shoot innocent people
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I've never had a problem either way.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But still call it stuffing.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Stuffing goes inside of the turkey and dressing is outside. So, the same exact recipe can be both at the same meal.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I think both are correct, but I made dressing this year.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)it's what I eat too much of yesterday.
underpants
(182,794 posts)Dressing is often put around the bird as a dressing.
Cooking anything in raw poultry to start with has gone out of favor due to the risk of getting sick.
Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)if the stuffing is heated to the magic 160 degrees, and that's the rub; by the time the stuffing reaches 160 degrees, the bird is totally overcooked and dry.
Speaking of the risks of getting sick, letting the cooked bird come in contact the unsanitized implements and boards the raw bird met will reintroduce the nasties. Soap and water is mostly fine, but institutions follow it up with a mild bleach rinse.
underpants
(182,794 posts)www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/poultry-preparation/turkey-basics-stuffing/CT_Index
www.cdc.gov/features/turkeytime/
Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)I stand corrected.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)You just make sure the stuffing is at or above that temperature when you stuff it and put it in the oven immediately afterward. The bird will suck some of the heat out of the stuffing initially, but by the time it is done the stuffing should be at or above the bird temp.
Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)Our bird gets nothing but a small cut up onion, sliced lemon, and some leafy tops of celery along with a dusting of "eleven herbs and spices" concoction with the remaining celery going into the dressing, baked separately in its own dish.
She Who Must be Obeyed tells me that if one is compelled to stuff the bird, precooking the dressing is essential, especially if the recipe uses egg; you know, suspenders and a belt. But she liked the idea of placing something hot inside the bird and is thinking preheated river rocks might work even better and shorten the cooking time. Hmmm.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Stuffing is that bread crumb mix thing (like Stove Top) that some shove inside the turkey. Dressing is cornbread based dressing and never goes inside the turkey. I think it's more of a northern versus southern thing.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)did you just say that cornbread dressing is more Northern than Southern?
Now I'm eating leftovers, so I am not in eternal outrage mode, but what on earth lead you to that conclusion?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)You misread. I discussed stuffing and then dressing and then referred to it as a northern (stuffing) versus southern (dressing) thing.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)comment.
Are you saying people up North call it dressing and Southern people call it stuffing?
I was puzzled.
Thank you - got confused, you cleared it up for me!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)That stuffing (think Stove Top) is a bread mix sometimes stuffed into a turkey. Dressing starts with cornbread and is never stuffed in a turkey.
They're different items. I think that people that live in the north tend to have stuffing versus people in the south have dressing.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We had dressing. Cornbread, with celery, onion and a tease of garlic.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Most Men don't do that.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Unless, of course, it involves the actual nation of Turkey!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I'm not out getting into a brawl with black Friday people hoping to clutch a $5 waffle iron.
I'm pretty sure I am contributing overall to the public good by staying home and indulging in leftovers and conversation.
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)today, they ate synonyms.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that if I sneezed mashed potatoes and gravy would come out.
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)gathering were a bit of stuffing and the two turkey carcasses. I'm making turkey stock right now. I did get a considerable amount of meat of the leftover bones. Since I made turkey soup from an eatly Thanksgiving dinner, both the stock and meat are going into the freezer.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,071 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Live long and leftover, Autumn!
Live long and leftover!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Autumn
(45,071 posts)In fact that may be going on for a few days, ham and dressing for breakfast, turkey and ham sandwich for lunch and turkey tacos for dinner.
merrily
(45,251 posts)My sister takes care of the whole leftover sitch while she clears the table from Thanksgiving dinner. No one in her family eats dark meat and no one especially likes turkey, except for the tradition of the one day per year. So, she needs a huge bird to make sure there's enough white meat for everyone.
Before she starts clearing the table, she gets a soup pot going. As she clears, everything--the dark meat, the carcass, the vegetables, go into the turkey soup pot. By the time the dishes are done and put away, there's a tolerable pot of turkey soup to which any fool who gets hungry again that day can help herself or himself. And no other leftovers.
My son likes a white meat turkey sandwich on some great Italian or French bread, period. But he especially likes me to fry the turkey slices in butter first and drizzle the butter from the pan on the bread, something he learned from my mom.
My husband's aunt, a really bad cook and a rather lethargic person, is a chicken/turkey addict. Her sister, my husband's mom, a really fantastic cook and perpetual motion machine, is a "spend your holidays at my house" addict.
One year, before I met my husband (at 18)--the aunt tells my mother-in-law that she (Auntie) would rather have Thanksgiving in her own home, so she can enjoy the leftovers. My mother-in-law, replies, "No problem, come to my place for Thanksgiving. I'll make sure you have leftovers."
From that year on, not only did my mother-in-law make a full Italian Thanksgiving meal and a full American Thanksgiving meal every year, she also roasted another small turkey to give her sister to take home for "leftovers." I think my mother-in-law got played big time, but she thinks she outsmarted her sister.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Because I'm still concerned about the Deepwater Horizon spill and the subsequent chemicals they used to "neutralize" it.
Sooner or later, though, I'll have enough faith to be putting de oyster in dere
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)
Martha Stewart's career must really be in the crapper if so many are getting this one wrong.
I recommend selling any Martha Stewart Omnimedia stock you may own before it's too late. Just don't tell anyone where you got this tip!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...the bird, but call it "stuffing" out of habit. Whatever you call it, it's my favorite part of the meal.
I use a mix of cornbread style from Trader Joe's and 2 flavors from Williams-Sonoma - focaccia and traditional sage. Then we "dress" it up with some extras - pine nuts, orange-flavored cranberries, wild rice, and crumbled sweet Italian sausage.
Deeeeeeeeeee-licious, if I say so myself.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'll have to keep that in mind for next year!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)trueblue2007
(17,217 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)replete with the happiness that only Thanksgiving leftovers and a day off can provide!
madokie
(51,076 posts)its stuffing, if its cooked outside the bird its dressing.
Freddie
(9,265 posts)Like potato filling, which is a delicious cross between bread filling and mashed potatoes.
I make a bread filling with cubed potatoes, diced celery and onions. Haven't cooked it inside the turkey for years, for food safety reasons and people prefer it cooked separately.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Would you mind sending me the recipe via PM?
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)So for me it's usually been 'stuffing,' since stuffing is what goes inside the turkey.
shanti
(21,675 posts)i'm having my turkey day today, as my son couldn't get yesterday off, and i decided to wait a day. he's a chef for a nursing home and had to make turkey dinner wednesday AND thursday. i made dressing. just wasn't up to the mess of stuffing today.
i was by myself, and had to call 911 yesterday because i was having sustained palpitations, they just wouldn't stop, and i didn't know what to do. so i had a ride in the ambulance, got checked out and 4 hours later was home again. my dinner rolls were rising on the stove when it happened, so i had to just leave them. the silver lining was that when i got home, they were high and puffy, so i just put them in the oven. they came out of the oven the BEST rolls i'd ever made or had, tender and light, i was so happy! i guess a 4 hour rise isn't so bad!
hope yours was a good one!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Dressing is when it's baked separately and served on the side.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)The recipe can be exactly the same. It's the preparation technique that makes it different.
I prefer stuffing because it's flavored with some of the bird's juices. The bird ends up a bit overcooked to make sure the stuffing is done, but o bla di, it's worth it.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)For the dressing AND my favorite - mashed potatoes.
djean111
(14,255 posts)All the same thing, IMO.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)You should only stuff aeromatics to add flavor. Dressing is the bread product you eat.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But I have to add garlic, too!
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Some herbs, lemons, spicy sausage, or apple slices would not be out of order either.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that citrus blends well
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I also toss I the stuffing into the stock pot.
Best sipped hot when you have a cold or the flu. Nothing like a hot cup of broth with a spicy kick when you're sick.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Last winter I roasted a chicken with a bacon weave draped over the bird. I stuffed it with chorizo, a lemon, onions, Rosemary, thyme, as well as all of the organ meat.
We picked the bones, and I re-roasted it with all the stuffing, then added some fresh carrots, celery, onions, garlic, and mushrooms. Dumped it into my brand new 20 thousand gallon stock pot (it makes it about 3/4 of the way up from the stove to the hood. And boiled away for about 5 hours.
About two weeks later I came down with the flu. That stock, along with a nice shot of scotch made me feel so much better. The chorizo made it spicy to clear my head. The liver added a hearty flavor, and the scotch cleared out my chest. Way better than NyQuil.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)my favorite spices! That sounds amazing!
I'll bet it made you feel better - all of those things loosen up phlem like they penetrate tissues naturally.
The liver gave you an iron boost, which is what we lose during illness.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Which I hear you also lose when you're sick.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)Lots of mushrooms, celery (never get too much of that), onion and fresh Italian or some other solid bread slightly dried out, and lots of butter. Some poultry seasoning and pepper.
That is how you make stuffing. And I do still stuff the bird but more lightly now and the excess goes into a separate pyrex dish. The stuffing from the bird always tastes just a little bit better.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't like it Cajun style, which is celery, onion and bell pepper, because I absolutely detest bell pepper.
I do it as the traditional Mirepoix - celery, onion and carrots. I also copiously use garlic
gvstn
(2,805 posts)But I have just never liked any carrot cooked.
I add them into stock for a little sweetness but don't actually eat them. It is a thing with me, I don't like cooked carrots and avoid any frozen vegetable mix that has too many of them.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)As I mentioned, I despise Bell Pepper. I can certainly relate to hating a vegetable that plenty of people love, like carrots.
I'll eat whatever someone else prepares for me. But peas and lima beans are not what I would prefer unless they are fresh out of the field and shucked that day--too starchy when older. I'll suffer some succotash if needed.
Bell pepper (or any pepper) is not my favorite but I try to keep a bowl of carrots, celery and bell pepper in my fridge (in water) for snacking and have actually gotten used to the peppers. The peppers do add a little flavoring to certain simple dishes that don't taste the same without them.
But as you said we like what we like.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Without them it's missing a great deal of complexity.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)Using carrots as a "spice" is fine. I just don't like them once cooked. They are great raw but not very tasty when cooked.
All stuffing needs mushrooms, pretty much as a base. Lots of flavor from them.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)You make a pan of dressing, usually chicken and dressing at my house.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)ScreamingMeemie
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tularetom
(23,664 posts)It's dressing whether or not you stuff it.
ms liberty
(8,574 posts)Stuffing goes in the turkey, and dressing is cooked in a separate dish. Stuffing has a coarser texture according to my sister. She makes the dressing of the gods, and learned it from our mother. She remembers our mother trying different stuffing recipes over the years but i don't remember that. She always made dressing too, and its my favorite holiday food, so maybe I wasn't paying attention!
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Which is weird I now realize after reading the thread. I grew up with it cooked outside the bird, and that's still how I do it myself. Yet, it was called then, and still is now, stuffing.
I also grew up drinking "pop" and not cola, or coke.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but that's what we always called them at my house.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I'm a tea person myself, but when I was a kid I admit to having more than a couple cherry cokes and cream sodas at my grandparents house.
My grandparents were so naughty. They fed us donuts for breakfast at times! We cherished them for their decadence.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)person. I can't stand tea that is sweetened.
I brew a pot every morning, pour it over ice and take it with me wherever I go. I used to drink black coffee, but quit that because I was trying to quit smoking. I feel absolutely no urge to do either, these days.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Iced was how we drank it until we got older. Then in the winter we added lemon and had it hot, too. Caffeine was never a worry for us as kids I guess.
Now I make and drink unsweetened green tea, just because I really like the flavor. I also drink it iced now almost always.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)It's neutral, and more accurate
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Perfect!
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)You have to eat it with a shirt and tie on.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)When I was a kid, everything was stuffing. No dressing. It was not a speech error when my mother said she was making the stuffing in a separate pan. The word drifted from its etymology.
Neighbors from farther south called everything dressing. Even if the turkey was served stuffed, it was stuffed with dressing. Again, no speech error. That's what the symbol ("dressing" meant to them (its "referent" .
If you made too much stuffing (or "dressing" to go in the bird, you'd cook some outside the bird in the same pan or in a separate pan. It seemed silly to refer to one portion of the stuff as stuffing and the other as dressing. I knew parents of friends who called the stuff inside the bird "dressing" and the stuff outside the bird, if necessary for ambiguity avoidance, "side dressing."
My wife, from a different part of the country (but whose parents were from the NE, where I hail from) calls it all "stuffing." On Thursday I cooked the stuffing outside of the bird, since the bird was part-frozen when I hove it into the oven. Usually there's excess stuffing, but most goes in the bird (or where the neck was) or even in the armpits.
It's like "dived" and "dove," "slept" and "sleeped," use of the subjunctive. There's regional variation and that's sometimes passed down in families. There's innovation that's spread across the country, driving local variation extinct in some cases or giving it a class distinction in others.
Some people even when I was a kid hewed to the etymology. There was stuffing in the bird. Dressing outside the bird. Some were fairly recent immigrants or were the educated, homogenized folk. For them, the stuffing morphed as it was removed, if cooked in-bird. "Have some dressing!"--and the lump was shaped strangely like the inside of a turkey. If scooped out of the bird, it was "stuffing." This struck most of us as foolish.
At some point the etymology asserted itself. Possibly when the (geographic) dialects mixed enough. Language hates synonyms. My soc linguistics prof said his prof said there was one true synonym in English--a small mugwort that grew in a very small area of English. Two villages each had different names for it, but by 1940 they'd merged into one village. No longer did the two names say which village you were from. By now that synonym has either died away or bifurcated.
If dressing and stuffing were synonyms, they'd quickly unmerge to mean different things. The etymology would provide a plausible motive. Stuffing is inside; dressing is outside (since dress is outside). I figure that "dressing" refers just to the final stages of dressing the animal for cooking, the first stages of which are beheading, bleeding out, gutting, skinning (or plucking)--dressing the turkey, and what you see at table is the turkey stuffed (with "dressings" or "trimmings"
They could also unmerge by type. Corn-based versus other-based. (Mostly wheat bread, but wild-rice stuffing is great.)
Language is diverse. I take mine with relish.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The stuffing was very wet and the dressing was dryer, so we mixed them. The whole fam damily ate either stressing or doffing and they liked it.