Listen Live to Colorado Springs terrorist attack operations here:

[ChisolmTrailDem]

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/54/web

Currently disussing where the shooter may be located inside the PP facility. A mention of the need for the Bearcat for possibly 6 more injured.

[951-Riverside]

1. The socialmedia-fication of police work is why we need a nationwide encrypted system for LEOs

Like the TETRA system that went live in Europe 20 years ago.

The public just like the bad guy doesnt need to know where hostages and victims are hiding.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

2. Hostages confirmed by scanner. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. You do know that media also relies on scanners to communiicate information

to the public. There are certain things we do not go into, like perp descriptions or movements of SWAT and other police personnel.

You do seem to have a problem with the first amendment though.

Oh and one more thing, you probably do not know this, but many LARGER police departments ALREADY have encrypted channels for things like this... that can still be picked up by scanners, even in EUROPE.

[951-Riverside]

13. Yes I do and it is a big problem

Does the media (which is just a member of the Public) need to know how many hostages are being kept, where they are, etc, etc in real time?

No.

You do seem to have a problem with the first amendment though.

You have no "right" under the constitution to monitor police radio activities.

many LARGER police departments ALREADY have encrypted channels for things like this... that can still be picked up by scanners

There are departments do use encryption but many others don't. There needs to be a nationwide system that deploys total encryption to prevent bad guys, looky-loos and media hounds from tuning in from start to finish.

that can still be picked up by scanners

Show me a radio scanner on the market that can decrypt police radios.

even in EUROPE.

Actually in many areas of EUROPE monitoring radio traffic that is not meant for you is illegal. This applies to unencrypted content too which is why there are ZERO police feeds coming in from England and that's a good thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Yup you have a problem with the first ammendment

Does the media (which is just a member of the Public) need to know how many hostages are being kept, where they are, etc, etc in real time?

No.

You do seem to have a problem with the first amendment though.


You have no "right" under the constitution to monitor police radio activities.

Actually son, yes I am going to get that snotty... yes, yes I do. It is part of the news gathering exercise, which is actually yes PROTECTED UNDER THIS SHITTY AMENDMENT!

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ...

Why? Because there are times that a call goes wrong... as in very wrong. as in what you are told by a PIO after the event does not match whatsoever what you heard over the radio.

These are the times that we all go into oops, let's start asking questions. There are many LARGER stations that ALSO record these major incidents because of this reason, so they can go over the radio traffic LATER and check on it. A few times there have been requests under FOIA of what it is pretty much a PUBLIC RECORD, that the cops MODIFY. If you did not have that ORIGINAL record, you would not be able to question what actually happened.

I guess you would prefer that. After all, you also said the other day that cops should start mucking up with social media channels to disrupt information from oh black lives matter demonstrations.

many LARGER police departments ALREADY have encrypted channels for things like this... that can still be picked up by scanners


There are departments do use encryption but many others don't. There needs to be a nationwide system that deploys total encryption to prevent bad guys, looky-loos and media hounds from tuning in from start to finish.

that can still be picked up by scanners


Show me a radio scanner on the market that can decrypt police radios.

It is sitting on my desk right now, and RUNNING as I type this. It is a UNIDEN Trunk Tracker IV, The Citizen Patrol by Uniden,which needs like ZERO programing does it as well. Any other questions. Hell, I am like RIGHT FUCKING NOW... listening to my local police 900 mhz encrypted channels... most of it is the usual shit, nothing major, or minor, or whatever. But since we have NYPD sending cops to Planned Parenthood, it is just a good idea for MY FUCKING SCANNER to be running as I type this. After all, if there is an incident locally, guess what skippy, will pick up the media pass issued locally by the POLICE, and the rest of the party flavors and GO THERE. Why? My job is to get information to readers who might need it. You might think we should not, but that is the job of MEDIA.

Actually in many areas of EUROPE monitoring radio traffic that is not meant for you is illegal. This applies to unencrypted content too which is why there are ZERO police feeds coming in from England and that's a good thing.

As I said, you do have a problem with the first amendment. It is clear as day that you do. Have an excellent day... perhaps it is time for you to move to Europe. I prefer to live in a country where we can do this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Oh and one more thing, out of curiosity I just checked

my scanner app on the fucking phone

Guess what? Here are the countries listed that have feeds...

US

Canada

argentina

australia

bulgaria

Switzerland

chile

Czech republic

germany

denmark

spain

france

greece

indonesia

ireland

italy

japan

Netherlands

peru

phillipines

portugal

russian federation

sweeden

slovenia

slovack republic

uk

british vi

south africa

It might be illegal there, to listen to any of this, but in the US there is his pesky first amendment. And if you want, this is what channels are available from the UK

East Sussex
Kent
South Yorkshire
West Yorkshire

Two are simplex channels, one is an airport approach the last looks like a ham radio.

[951-Riverside]

33. Breathe and take a moment to carefully read what I said

I'm not talking feeds from Jim Bob's ham radio shack in the UK, there are ZERO police feeds because 1. Its illegal 2. They use an encrypted system for good reason and the US needs to catch up.

Secondly if you believe that you have a first amendment right to listen in to your local police department's ENCRYPTED radio traffic in real time on your little scanner radio you are very ignorant of the first amendment . If they go ENCRYPTED (again, we're talking about encryption here) you don't have the right to shove your way into the police station and demand they provide you with UNENCRYPTED radio access.

It is a UNIDEN Trunk Tracker IV, The Citizen Patrol by Uniden,which needs like ZERO programing does it as well. Any other questions. Hell, I am like RIGHT FUCKING NOW... listening to my local police 900 mhz encrypted channels

There is no scanner capable of decryption because it is a felony to do so and if you knew anything about encryption you would know that you would need a pretty massive computer device to be able to decrypt AES or DES traffic in realtime but I suspect you're confusing DIGITAL with ENCRYPTED (two different things) or... you're hoping that I don't know the difference.

OTOH nothing stops you from submitting a FOIA request for the recording of a department's radio traffic but you'll probably be waiting a week or two for them to respond and the information you requested will be outdated anyway.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. You are willfully ignorant

I see,

The Trunk Tracker IV, V and VI, and the Cobras (another brand that also sells them) are DIGITAL UNITS AND DO WORK FOR ENCRYPTED frequencies. I am sorry if this bugs you, but that is the way life is. Nor it is ILLEGAL to do this, nor should it be illegal.

Some states, see NJ, for example, MOBILE USE of scanners could be problematic... but read this carefully. NOT BASE STATION USE. If you use one of these suckers in the commission of a crime it tacks to the sentence as an add on charge, not, unlike what I am sure you would love to make this, a primary charge.

And yes, it is a PROTECTED activity for media since it is considered, NEWS GATHERING.

I am sorry this is so difficult for you to understand.

Here a link to these shitty units on the market

http://www.hamradio.com/search.cfm


Use SCANNERS.

I would personally recommend a newby who has never done this and gets intimidated by programing these things... get a Home Patrol by the way. A tad expensive, but they are already PROGRAMMED with talk groups. (SOME, I know GASP, ARE ENCRYPTED)

And here

The Supreme Court’s 2001 decision in Bartnicki v. Vopper, however, casts significant doubt on the constitutionality of Section 705’s prohibition on divulgence or publication. The FCC itself has recognized as much. In a 2011 version of its fact sheet on the interception and divulgence of radio communications, the Commission removed its earlier statement that divulging a police or fire communication is illegal, replacing it with a statement that the Bartnicki opinion “questions the ability of the government to regulate the disclosure of legally-obtained radio communications, and this area of the law remains unsettled.” See Interception and Divulgence of Radio Communications, Guide (May 2011), available at http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/interception.pdf.
- See more at: http://www.rtdna.org/content/scanners#sthash.gCO1oAq6.dpuf

And here

The rise of Internet streaming of police and fire radio undercuts the notion that police and fire communications should remain “private” for public safety or other reasons. Many police and fire departments provide an official Internet stream of their radio communications. Communications from other departments are available live online through unofficial feeds and commercial services. It is unlikely, therefore, that Section 705’s prohibition on divulgence could survive even a less rigorous standard of First Amendment scrutiny, as the widespread availability of these communications, often sanctioned by the public safety departments themselves, undermines any rational basis for prohibiting dissemination of such information by broadcasters who lawfully monitor scanner traffic.

- See more at: http://www.rtdna.org/content/scanners#sthash.gCO1oAq6.dpuf

Have an excellent day.

I treat all this as UNCONFIRMED and I personally do not post things like "they are getting ready to breach.." or they are on 3rd and F (Unless of course, like recently, the PD itself posts those road closures on twitter or their website themselves)

[951-Riverside]

36. Agree to disagree

The Trunk Tracker IV, V and VI, and the Cobras (another brand that also sells them) are DIGITAL UNITS AND DO WORK FOR ENCRYPTED frequencies

Now you're just making up stuff.

1st of all Cobra makes Radar Detectors, CB Radios and Dashcams. They don't make Police scanners let alone one that decrypts encrypted radio traffic (which is a felony if one were to do it). Anyone can go to the mfg page (https://www.cobra.com/products) and see that.

...and I'm just not going to get into the rest, all you're doing is saying random buzzwords and brands, conflating encrypted with digital, analog with encrypted and its only going to give me a major headache to go through everything you've said piece by piece and debunk it.

I'm done.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I am sorry, I got confused wiht other brands

they still make radios, as in CB Radios.

here are the manufactures for digital scanners

Here you go UNIDEN

https://www.bearcatwarehouse.com/scanners/digital.html

Whistler

http://www.scannermaster.com/Police_Scanner_Radios_s/1.htm

Radio Shack is still in the business... in fact my first one was a Shack CRYSTAL one. Same link

And AOR

So sue me for misremembering ONE of the many manufacturers for these guys and CITING an actual United States Supreme Court Decision. Here is the decision for you

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1361&context=btlj

In a six to three decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the Appellate
Court's decision, holding that First Amendment protection extends to the
dissemination of illegally intercepted communications if they were lawfully
obtained and relate to a matter of public concern. 3

The gathering of material using a scanner is perfectly legal.

Go argue with the United States Supreme Court.

[napkinz]

3. terrorist, oh no, he must be a LONE WOLF!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

6. SWAT team is working their way through the wall/sheetrock.

Command says hostages may be locked in a room near the suspect.

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. Five people unaccounted for.

[Kingofalldems]

5. I gather the shooter is in a supply room.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. With hostages if I'm understanding this correctly. Also, tactical team seems to be working on going

through some sheetrock either to access the facility or somewhere within.

Hard to tell if they've breached the building yet.

[LiberalElite]

9. Thank you for this! Kicking! nt

[LiberalElite]

10. Kicking again nt

[Aerows]

11. Listening now

I hope this all turns out okay.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

12. You can here the tactical team members who are actually clearing rooms in the building. Also,

they know exactly where he's holed up inside the building and are working around him to clear the building.

[Aerows]

14. It's just crazy. n/t

[LiberalElite]

16. it's been said he had "brought bags" into the building nt

God only knows what's in them.

[herding cats]

15. I've been listening there for the past 40 minutes.

The hostages must be terrified.

[LiberalElite]

17. kicking again nt

[Kingofalldems]

18. Seems to be in a loop now. I have heard the same

conversations three times.

[Kingofalldems]

19. He's surrendering!

[herding cats]

21. I hope this goes well!

He's heading out now.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Maybe not. They think he may have an IED.

[herding cats]

24. I just hope no more innocent people get hurt.

[magical thyme]

23. not yet. he's moving. they just said they'll take him out if any indication of ied

and asked if theyre in way of snipers

[brettdale]

25. suspect caught

according to live feed

[magical thyme]

26. I'm listening too. it's happening faster than I can type, lol

[diabeticman]

27. what is a Bearcat?

[magical thyme]

29. wheeled, armored personnel carrier.

[diabeticman]

31. Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. The photo at the top is a bearcat

that is the official company photo, we asked if we could use one and that is what they sent.

http://reportingsandiego.com/2014/08/27/how-militarized-are-san-diego-police-forces/

They are very versatile and can be set up for SWAT (most are), or even as an armored ambulance.

If you have seen video of Brussels, a lot of those green vehicles, are military versions of this sucker.

If you want to see just how widespread these things are in use... well. in my county PDs are asking for them as if they were candy... there is a thing about having a SWAT team.

[magical thyme]

28. one person down in reception area.

[L. Coyote]

30. CBS LIVE

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/