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[TheMastersNemesis]

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[hobbit709]

1. I don't remember "Thou shalt not kill" having any exceptions or moral clauses in it.

But when you're on a mission from gawd then anything and everything is acceptable to them.

[TheMastersNemesis]

4. I Grew Up In A Time When Religion Stayed Out Of Politics.

I remember all the furor over Kennedy being Catholic and how he would inflict the Catholic Church on the country or allow Catholic dogma effect his secular decisions. Now we have a political reality where religion must replace governing in some circles. And it is very radical and aggressive.

[1939]

31. Well

We did have the following religion motivated political items:

Sunday "blue laws" forcing all but the most essential establishments to be closed.

Restrictions on sales of prophylactics in heavily Catholic jurisdictions.

"Dry" towns and "dry" counties.

"Nondenominational" prayers and Bible readings in public schools.

[roody]

7. War is a big exception.

[hobbit709]

10. Where in the Ten Commandments does it say that?

Goes back to what I said about being on a mission from gawd.

[PeaceNikki]

21. I'll tell you where...

I was raised Evangelical and we were taught that, in context, the commandment meant "murder" and that sometimes killing is "justified". It's abhorrent, but true.

[pipoman]

2. Way too early to know if he is even competent to stand trial

Or what his motivation was.....I know, the cool kids have already decided all of this, I prefer to wait for more details...

[HereSince1628]

3. Or they might not.

[TheMastersNemesis]

6. One Would Certainly Hope So.

[HereSince1628]

22. Maybe PP was just his 'bait' to bring cops so he could shoot them?

The RW generally stands pretty tall with law enforcement.

We can speculate all day and all night, if that helps relieve anxiety I suppose there's value in it.

But until we actually know what motivated him, there's no way to know what of those motivations might be projected with any accuracy onto your and/or my political/religious 'others' who we might wish to demean by linking with him.

[Quackers]

5. If that was the case, then you're saying even President Obama would acquit him.

People are more than just their religion. This reminds me of when Kennedy was running for president. Everyone thought if he was elected, he would take orders from the pope.

[roody]

9. The OP said Christian fundamentalists.

[Quackers]

13. The OP headline said Christian jury, not fundamentalist. nt

[TheMastersNemesis]

16. Yes There Should Have Been A Distinction.

[Quackers]

20. It's all good. nt

[TheMastersNemesis]

12. No Jury Would Probably Acquit This Guy. I Was Just Posing A Question.

I look at all the times blacks were convicted in certain communities while whites went free for similar crimes. Any more I wonder what is really possible now. There are so many things that were never thought of in my youth that are now almost common. I NEVER went to school fearing for my life even through college. Never never had a thought about being shot.

[Quackers]

19. If I'm understanding you correctly,

You're worried a perspective jury may vote to acquit this guy because they share the same views on this subject. One safe guard against this is having the lawyers to vet the potential jurors and weed out the undesirables. Without that safeguard, you would end up with juries like we have here sometimes who vote in favor of the people they like.

[Android3.14]

8. Any jury might acquit the shooter

Let the justice system do its work and hope for the best.

[world wide wally]

11. Keep in mind though, he killed a cop

[MoonRiver]

18. And I think I heard this cop was a volunteer pastor at his church.

[lapfog_1]

14. had only PP staff been wounded or killed

you might well be correct.

However he killed a police officer so that will get him convicted

[TheMastersNemesis]

23. Probably So And He Was A Christian As Well.

Having said that I am sure there are some really crazy fundies who think the cop was in the wrong for responding to this event. After all a lot of fundies do not support enforcing the law that is against the Bible.

We are now on surreal political ground in this country that has never happened before. Religious liberty now has a new meaning in this era. What if a Christian cop ended up killing some pro lifers in such an even. I am sure there are fundies who would call him a murderer.

All reality seems to be distorted any more.

[onehandle]

15. Jury selection would prevent this. Also Christians are Christians. Fundamentalist is a modifier. nt

[TheMastersNemesis]

17. Yes I Agree But You Do Not Hear From Supposedly Liberal Christians.

All the focus these days are on the extremists who now have a solid foothold in the GOP and in many state legislatures. I sure anyone who REALLY practices Christianity would do what is right.

[TheMastersNemesis]

25. What It Means To Be Christian Is Becoming Very Muddy Anymore.

Individuals and institutions claiming to be Christian are acting totally unChristian. Every policy they support is a complete antithesis to the New Testament and what Christ taught. If Christ himself were running for office he would be ridiculed by the GOP and Christian base.

[Buzz Clik]

24. More anti-Christian bullshit.

Sharpen you quilll and quit using a brush.

He murdered a cop and two others.

[Hoppy]

26. If its anti-Christian, it isn't bullshit.

[TheMastersNemesis]

27. None Of These Megachurches And Fundy Churches Are Religions. They Are Businesses.

None of these fundamentalist pastors know shit about religion. They are all phony money grubbing assholes. Olsteen, Falwell, and their ilk are nothing more than con men selling bibles. They make a mockery of religion.

[Vogon_Glory]

28. Two-Magic Words: Cop-Killer

I'm not sure your theory would work in Colorado, although it might if he was prosecuted federally and a jury chosen from rural Southern whites.

But despite the heavy Evangelical-Fundamentalist presence, Colorado Springs is heavily ex- and active military.

All any halfway-competent prosecutor would have to say after summarizing the evidence is "cop-killer." Fundie chicken hawks might not like that, but I suspect that the most likely empaneled jury would see red and act accordingly.

[TheMastersNemesis]

30. Probably True.

[saltpoint]

29. In such moments, it's wise to turn to

John Prine, who tells us:

"Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for..."

And I pity the fool who questions John Prine's take on anything.

I think a jury will hear the case out and decide fair an square what happened.

[Logical]

32. Kansas is RIGHT WING as shit and they didn't acquit the abortion doctor killer. nt

[TheMastersNemesis]

33. Good Point. Not Taking Bets Anymore About Anything.