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[Hoyt]

1. Australia's 1996 law is a model for the gun part of the problem. The right wing, racist

ideology and callousness, that is so prevalent among gunners, will be tougher to deal with. But, tougher gun restrictions will emasculate many of them, and reduce the carnage.

I wish gunners would step up and help restrict the means of killing, and maybe some of the reasons for killing.

[lastlib]

8. will never happen--it's an extension of their penis, and they won't cut it off....

I would also like to see an Australia-style ban on industrial-strength killing machines. But I can't hold my breath that long.....

[Hoyt]

9. They can't honestly argue with that.

[erronis]

14. And no one could take the position that Australians are any less independent minded than the US.

They (the Aussies) may actually be much more independent but aware of their freedoms.

The US gun-nuts have let some for-profit companies make up their minds for them.

[Hoyt]

15. Exactly. Nor can the "manly" gunner argue Aussies are pushovers/weak.

Gun marketeers know their American market --

[virginia mountainman]

20. Interesting that a former "robber" has such strong views on gun control.

After all you have said:

As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=45338

[madokie]

2. I agree with you 100%

Mr President.

All those years ago I thought I was coming home to a sane world but little did I know, at the time, we were, as a country, on the verge of going off the rails, guns wise that is

FWIW: I just went to Winchesters web site due to the article about the Italians seizing 781 or so shotguns and I have to say that the lever action rifles are some pretty machines, just no way could I justify owning one because I have no desire to kill anything. I lost that desire about two or three days in country Vietnam. I came home a pacifist. I no longer hold the kind of feeling it takes to take another beings life away.

A gun is a machine made just for that duty.

[PSPS]

3. "This is not normal. We can’t let it become normal," the statement said.

"This is not normal. We can’t let it become normal," the statement said. "If we truly care about this -- if we’re going to offer up our thoughts and prayers again, for God knows how many times, with a truly clean conscience -- then we have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them. Period. Enough is enough.

Gee, thanks a pant load for the same old tired words of encouragement. Let's all pray it away. Yeah, that's the ticket. I guess we're just not praying hard enough, huh?

The fact is that this is already almost as "normal" as the sun rising in the morning.

[Waldorf]

11. If the original bill had been left alone, you would have seen a UBC law passed, at least in

regards to gunshows. But people kept putting more and more into it to make some Democrats in the Senate to want to vote no on the proposal, and it died there in the Senate.

[Nay]

12. Well, we can sure blame him for yet another insipid statement about how

we can't 'allow' this anymore. The Second Amendment allows all this shit all the time, and the lack of mental health care ensures that nuts can continue to get guns.

Ifn we get confirmation that this guy shot up a PP clinic because he is a RW christian pro-life nutcase, will he call out Christians to stop their terrorism, and Christian leaders to stop directly inciting violence? Didn't think so.

[rhett o rick]

16. He has to have more options that giving "enough is enough" speeches.

[Hekate]

10. And how is this Obama's fault? Look to your elected representatives and the NRA. Look to the GOP.

But most of all look to the well-funded lobbying efforts of the gun-merchants who use the NRA as their front.

[rhett o rick]

17. He gets credit for things that go good but isn't responsible when things don't go good.

I can't believe he can't do more than a speech.

[Helen Borg]

22. Almost worse than terrorism!

[hibbing]

23. Exactly

Yes, it is normal. The only variation now is the number of victims.

Peace

[CJCRANE]

5. We need to be consistent.

100 tons of ammo delivered to the Syrian reberls doesn't seem like gun control to me.

[CajunBlazer]

7. Remark is off topic and inappropriate

If you want to talk about arms provided to the Syrian rebels, go start your own thread,

[whereisjustice]

6. He should call out the extremists, there is a common element to much of this violence

whether it's a cop shooting an unarmed kid 16 times for walking away, or a right wing militia group shooting up BLM protesters, after all the dead bodies are sorted out, there is a common element.

There are not patriotic Americans simply exercising their second amendment rights.

By being afraid of making the right wing in both parties uncomfortable with the bold truth, we are guilty of making the problem worse.

Right wing, conservative ideology is promoting and encouraging violence.

[Hiraeth]

13. K&R

chill bumps :enough is enough is enough

[LittleBlue]

18. 'We don't know the motive of the shooter'

We don’t yet know what this particular gunman’s so-called motive was for shooting twelve people, or for terrorizing an entire community, when he opened fire with an assault weapon and took hostages at a Planned Parenthood center in Colorado.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-planned-parenthood-shooting_5659bdd1e4b079b2818a79f3?013v7vi

Now why would someone target a PP clinic?

[Rex]

19. Republicans are inciting citizens to act in violence and hatred against other citizens.

Are there no laws against this kind of malfeasance?

[Helen Borg]

21. How about doing something about Presidential candidates

lying through their teeth and spreading hate talk that leads to these events?

[Retrograde]

24. Didn't we hear something similar after the Sandy Hook shootings

and the Aurora theater shootings, and the Charleston church shootings, and the Oregon university shootings and - well, you get the point.

Maybe it's because I just finished watching a documentary on the Roosevelts, but I'd like to see Obama actually use his bully pulpit with Congress during the rest of his term. Enough talk: get Ryan and McConnell in his office and ask them specifically what THEY are going to do about gun violence - and that includes police violence.