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WillyT rocks. (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 OP
absolutely! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #1
I'll second that :) Nite Owl Dec 2015 #2
Totally agree! BuelahWitch Dec 2015 #3
+100 840high Dec 2015 #6
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2015 #4
well Manny-san, you do too. yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #5
LOVES ME SOME WILLYT Skittles Dec 2015 #7
You're CHARGING for those tushy kicks?! pacalo Dec 2015 #11
THAT DOG THINKS HE IS ALL THAT Skittles Dec 2015 #19
!!! OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #17
WillyT is TOPS!!!!!!! Octafish Dec 2015 #8
No explanation necessary... pacalo Dec 2015 #9
Totally agree! SoapBox Dec 2015 #10
I always give WillyT a thoughtful read. Very good. JEB Dec 2015 #12
you keep me going, you and the rest of the bernistas roguevalley Dec 2015 #13
WillyT rocks awesomely! Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #14
T for Tops Generic Other Dec 2015 #15
Love him Oilwellian Dec 2015 #16
I concur. OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #18
Manny... WillyT Dec 2015 #20
Uh-Oh, Bart... I think Mongo has taken a liking to you... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #41
Yes he does. CentralMass Dec 2015 #21
K&R for WillyT -nt- 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #22
Agreed. A good soul. longship Dec 2015 #23
Yes he rocks malaise Dec 2015 #24
Lots of good OPs from WillyT-and he doesn't go mean, even when provoked. merrily Dec 2015 #25
Oh, HELL YEAH! Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #26
Rock On - WillyT cantbeserious Dec 2015 #27
Oh yeah. You too, Manny. Scuba Dec 2015 #28
WillyT always finds the good stuff and posts it tularetom Dec 2015 #29
Let's not forget WillyT's mom! panader0 Dec 2015 #30
yes, yes. quite so. KG Dec 2015 #31
Given the regularly kicked threads... joshcryer Dec 2015 #32
I see more white people here pointing out comments that are construed as racist- than POC notadmblnd Dec 2015 #126
I was the first person to reply against... joshcryer Dec 2015 #134
I have heard he's been known to roll as well. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #33
K/R marmar Dec 2015 #34
. mmonk Dec 2015 #35
Totally agree!!! Bubzer Dec 2015 #36
LOVE that turd way avatar in your banner. hifiguy Dec 2015 #73
Thanks! Bubzer Dec 2015 #103
Love WillyT MissDeeds Dec 2015 #37
Huge K & R !!! Zorra Dec 2015 #38
WillyT does rock, I know it, he knows it and the American People know it! Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #39
! senz Dec 2015 #115
You are one of my favs on the DU... Hepburn Dec 2015 #40
Geez, so not only do the vapid "I like Bernie!" posts get front-paged Tarc Dec 2015 #42
Sorry. MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #47
Over the last couple of days, murielm99 Dec 2015 #50
oh it is so sadz that bernie is the overwhelming favorite here. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #99
No problem... daleanime Dec 2015 #155
True! Jackilope Dec 2015 #43
Indeed he does. hifiguy Dec 2015 #44
I have no idea why, ejbr Dec 2015 #45
Perhaps I haven't been The Polack MSgt Dec 2015 #46
Proudly K&R'd Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #48
Hugh K & R Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #49
One of the very first DUers I ever met, eons ago! arcane1 Dec 2015 #51
Kicked and recommended! WillyT does rock! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #52
Hell YEAH ! ... Manny would be cool too Trajan Dec 2015 #53
Not quite for me... hunter Dec 2015 #54
Doesn't this belong in the Creative Speculation forum? randome Dec 2015 #55
Stockholm Syndrome. I are right ... we wouldn't agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #56
Certainly, WillyT isn't an "I've got mine" Democrat MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #60
No he's a "call Black people and the LBGT community Stockholm Syndrome Sufferers" kind of Democrat . 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #64
He claimed that they had Stockholm Syndrome? Reference, please? MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #67
crickets bvar22 Dec 2015 #69
He does this often, and it's maddening MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #71
You apologized for mocking sensitivities about chicken and watermelon jokes- claiming you had bettyellen Dec 2015 #144
Since you asked..... bettyellen Dec 2015 #163
There are a couple. hifiguy Dec 2015 #78
I love those images! MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #117
They're not mine. hifiguy Dec 2015 #130
He did not lie. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #161
Here ya go ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #72
Now, they're going to pretend that's not what WillyT said...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #74
LOL ... No, if the past is any indicator ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #76
You made an accusation, one EVERYBODY knows about, and the faithful here randys1 Dec 2015 #83
Exactly... SidDithers Dec 2015 #85
Done with them--good maneuver. They crave engagement. Hortensis Dec 2015 #139
Bizarre that a person can apologize for something, then pretend it never happened. And it's all bettyellen Dec 2015 #148
I wonder if that's a syndrome with a name. betsuni Dec 2015 #165
there are a few games I can think of.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #167
Agree. Or like a kid with a chocolate-smeared face insisting he didn't eat the candy bar. nt betsuni Dec 2015 #170
"Bizarre that a person can apologize for something, then pretend it never happened." Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #171
There is a foul on the play hifiguy Dec 2015 #79
crickets... SidDithers Dec 2015 #82
LOL! Like clockwork. MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #87
the funny thing is that they honestly read the same post and think it validates their claim. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #91
The claim is valid... SidDithers Dec 2015 #96
Why would an apology matter to the person ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #104
I don't know nuthin' bout no history of chicken and watermelon jokes, Mr SBM! bettyellen Dec 2015 #153
It was purely rhetorical. joshcryer Dec 2015 #112
+1... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #123
"And you called the New Republic a center right neoliberal publication." Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #179
Sure, but that has little bearing on Dyson's article. joshcryer Dec 2015 #180
It was a repulsive OP. Explain how it is not totally insulting to "groups" here? bettyellen Dec 2015 #145
What does that even mean.? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #97
It's totally meaningless, but looks cogent and pity in the reply title..... bettyellen Dec 2015 #146
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Dec 2015 #100
Why didn'y you alert on it, bvar22 Dec 2015 #183
I didn't alert because in my years here I have never alerted ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #184
I can add a question mark to an insulting statement and it nullifies it? What planet is this true on bettyellen Dec 2015 #185
It's quite true. That "Stockholm Syndrome" post of his has . . . brush Dec 2015 #108
Manny isn't stupid. joshcryer Dec 2015 #113
Speaking as the proprietor of Conservative Cave: MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #118
Stirring crap. joshcryer Dec 2015 #120
Au contraire, it speaks volumes. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #122
Amusing- if anyone were to agree with you- they'd get a hide. Here kitty kitty. bettyellen Dec 2015 #154
Manny had no idea that POC were slurred with chicken or watermelon jokes.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #147
What? He's been living in a closet for decades? brush Dec 2015 #160
Some love to step right up to the line and say they don't see it, even when responding to posts.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #162
Amazing you would say this to 1Strong. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #186
Yes he is an integral part of some folks self confirming feedback loop GitRDun Dec 2015 #57
There should be an apostrophe at the end of 'folks' MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #58
And a hyphen bvf Dec 2015 #59
D'oh! MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #61
I recently saw "'te he" (as in giggle) bvf Dec 2015 #63
Rocks? hardly. kwassa Dec 2015 #62
K&R! bvf Dec 2015 #65
hear, hear! Spirochete Dec 2015 #66
I assume he does not have Stockholm Syndrome? leftofcool Dec 2015 #68
Willy T. bvar22 Dec 2015 #70
k&r Punkingal Dec 2015 #75
Willy T spreads so much joy. He makes me happy everyday. Thank you. DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2015 #77
The responses to this excellent post are hifiguy Dec 2015 #80
Sorry, no... SidDithers Dec 2015 #81
But according so some here it didnt happen or didnt say what it said randys1 Dec 2015 #84
And there they are, denying it says what it plainly says... SidDithers Dec 2015 #93
we've all made posts that are just wrong, sid. Right? Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #88
Not that wrong... SidDithers Dec 2015 #90
And then doubled down on it several days later? KittyWampus Dec 2015 #127
I wonder how this was framed as alert-worthy? Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #86
That's an easy answer. Autumn Dec 2015 #95
Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #89
I agree! and...@#$& it. Agony Dec 2015 #92
Yes he does. Autumn Dec 2015 #94
Indeed! City Lights Dec 2015 #98
To Willy T! dflprincess Dec 2015 #101
To Willy T - LiberalElite Dec 2015 #102
Right On!! Thespian2 Dec 2015 #105
Yes, Willy T does rock! marym625 Dec 2015 #106
I love WillyT Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #107
K&R just to irritate the fly swatters. hay rick Dec 2015 #109
WillyT does, indeed, rock! mother earth Dec 2015 #110
I'm LGBT and so.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #111
Is this what DU now comes to represent. You rock each other on here? akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #114
Huge K & R!!! senz Dec 2015 #116
Willy is awesome. I've never seen anyone on this board so bullied and remain so positive. sibelian Dec 2015 #119
Bullied and positive, eh? leftofcool Dec 2015 #121
Stockholm Syndrome isn't a mental illness, leftofcool. sibelian Dec 2015 #125
So using YOUR OWN WORDS… it's okay to say everyone who voted to leave your post KittyWampus Dec 2015 #128
Wow. Thank you Kitty. What a disgusting post to leave up. bettyellen Dec 2015 #150
Willy T is positive by telling large groups of people they have Stockholm Syndrome? kwassa Dec 2015 #129
DU should be a giant sociology experiment MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #131
yep, it really is astonishing. kath Dec 2015 #132
I agree. Willy T is a prime example, with his Stockholm Syndrome theory. kwassa Dec 2015 #135
Gaslight! bettyellen Dec 2015 #152
My all time favorite funk tune, in a great video ... kwassa Dec 2015 #157
I saw them tape a Sessions at W54th episode way back. Was incredible. bettyellen Dec 2015 #158
I've never had the chance to see them live. kwassa Dec 2015 #181
They prove nothing to anyone, maybe not even to themselves. merrily Dec 2015 #137
It is funny the pavlonian reaction to a manny op with a high rec count. Rex Dec 2015 #156
this one got loads of drooling reactions.... bettyellen Dec 2015 #164
It is amazing Rex Dec 2015 #166
Hey, Rex! Great to see you, as always. merrily Dec 2015 #168
How are you doing merrily! Rex Dec 2015 #169
"LOL!" and "Comedy gold" often work for me. merrily Dec 2015 #172
It is funny. You think one day we will finally crown a King or Queen of DU Purity? Rex Dec 2015 #174
You're on a roll this morning! I've given up trying to understand purity. merrily Dec 2015 #175
Thank you! Thank you! I will be here all morning. Rex Dec 2015 #176
Good night and good morning to you as well, Rex. Always a pleasure. merrily Dec 2015 #177
Gas lighting bullshit. People are comprehending just fine, Manny. They aren't playing stupid games. bettyellen Dec 2015 #151
There's a lot of love to give. Octafish Dec 2015 #140
positve? link please! bettyellen Dec 2015 #159
K and R! TheUnspeakable Dec 2015 #124
I usually don't participate in "Tribute"Threads, or "Call out" threads, bvar22 Dec 2015 #133
agreed G_j Dec 2015 #136
It's hard not to. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #173
Kudos to WillyT yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #138
Since it got kicked again hifiguy Dec 2015 #141
Kick & R! Octafish Dec 2015 #142
Oh so this is the reason... Rex Dec 2015 #143
You nailed it! Octafish Dec 2015 #182
He sure does! ozone_man Dec 2015 #149
Missed it. Got it. Huge K&R! Waiting For Everyman Dec 2015 #178

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
29. WillyT always finds the good stuff and posts it
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:04 AM
Dec 2015

I click on every WillyT post I see.

Ya done good, WillyT!!

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
32. Given the regularly kicked threads...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:15 AM
Dec 2015

...where they double down on seriously misguided race related issues, I suspect that a lot of the AA participators here would disagree.

And by extension, for those AA posters here, they only see your OP as a reiteration of that hatred.

And even you, who I consider a reasonable intelligent fellow, would recognize that. But fuck it, right? Easy rec's on the backbone of AA posters and an easy comforting circle of support. Who gives a fuck.

Fuck me.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
126. I see more white people here pointing out comments that are construed as racist- than POC
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:54 AM
Dec 2015

I just chalk it up to their own feelings of inadequacy and the white guilt they suffer as a result of their own bigotries.

In other words- they try way too had to disprove their own racist attitudes by working overtime to point out other's.

I guess my mother was right. It does take one (bigot) to know one.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
134. I was the first person to reply against...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:49 PM
Dec 2015

...the self aggrandizing sycophantry.

The idea that white people only care about "the blacks" because of white guilt bigtory is rephrensible.

Uncle Joe

(65,607 posts)
39. WillyT does rock, I know it, he knows it and the American People know it!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:56 PM
Dec 2015


Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
115. !
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 04:40 AM
Dec 2015

That slogan still goes through my mind. And I can still hear Bob Dole saying it!

Tarc

(10,602 posts)
42. Geez, so not only do the vapid "I like Bernie!" posts get front-paged
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:03 PM
Dec 2015

Now the "I like people who like Bernie!" ones do, too.


murielm99

(33,101 posts)
50. Over the last couple of days,
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

someone must have handed him his ass. So now they have to rehabilitate him.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
43. True!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

When I had a newbie question, I reached out to WillyT who had an explanation and was really helpful.

cheers to WillyT!

The Polack MSgt

(13,823 posts)
46. Perhaps I haven't been
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:34 PM
Dec 2015

Held hostage long enough to truly identify with his goals and to sympathize with his motivations.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
53. Hell YEAH ! ... Manny would be cool too
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

If he wasn't so Third Way about shit ...

You can work on that ....

hunter

(40,885 posts)
54. Not quite for me...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

... but it's complicated. Very complicated.

I'm pretty sure I was born in this U.S.A., this planet Earth, by some kind of freakish horrible accident, maybe the same that cost me my left testicle.

In my true home world I'm living thirty centuries plus of sustainable mackerel fishing.






 

randome

(34,845 posts)
55. Doesn't this belong in the Creative Speculation forum?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
60. Certainly, WillyT isn't an "I've got mine" Democrat
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

You know, those folks who scream bloody murder when people talk about economic justice, because they don't need it anymore?

For all I know, WillyT might have millions socked away - certainly, I do know wealthy people who work hard for economic justice. But he doesn't act like economic justice ain't no big thing, a privilege that may only be taken by those with high incomes. WillyT cares just about justice. All justice.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
64. No he's a "call Black people and the LBGT community Stockholm Syndrome Sufferers" kind of Democrat .
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

Wait, you keep correcting me ... he's a "call Black people and the LBGT community Stockholm Syndrome Sufferers" kind of Democrat PROGRESSIVE.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
67. He claimed that they had Stockholm Syndrome? Reference, please?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

Let me guess... you'll pull up something different and claim it says what you claim. You know, the same stuff you pull with what I write quite often.

Let's see what you got.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
69. crickets
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:39 PM
Dec 2015

There should be a penalty for DU members who purposely fabricate lies about other members.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
71. He does this often, and it's maddening
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015

Fof example, He'll attack me for my famous "chicken and watermelon" joke that I never made on DU, and never be able to produce the thing - just posts of mine that refer to other posts, and he claims that somehow that the reference is to a chicken and watermelon joke, yet it can never be found.

It's really, really nasty and low stuff.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
144. You apologized for mocking sensitivities about chicken and watermelon jokes- claiming you had
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:19 AM
Dec 2015

never heard such slurring jokes ever existed! I clearly recall wondering if you'd been living under a rock.
You joked about gefilte fish as if that was comparable- and later apologized. Pretending it never happened shows how phony that apology was.

And yes, the "stockholm syndrome" OP happened, unfortunately. Search for it. Willie himself stands by it, so ask him if you need help.
Can't unring that bell.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
130. They're not mine.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:40 AM
Dec 2015

They've been posted on DU before and are easy to find on teh Google. Go for it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
76. LOL ... No, if the past is any indicator ...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:00 PM
Dec 2015

He will just deny that it was written at all.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
83. You made an accusation, one EVERYBODY knows about, and the faithful here
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:13 PM
Dec 2015

acted as if you were making it up.

A casual observer would assume you made it up, that you were lying


That pisses me off, since we both know you did not make it up

Fuck this, I am done with them

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
85. Exactly...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015

The thread has been on the front page of GD: P for the better part of 2 months.


Sid

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
148. Bizarre that a person can apologize for something, then pretend it never happened. And it's all
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:29 AM
Dec 2015

baiting to get people hides, as far as I can tell. Same as it ever was.
Flypaper for people who do not hate the majority of the Dem party.

betsuni

(29,329 posts)
165. I wonder if that's a syndrome with a name.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:53 AM
Dec 2015

Whatever the condition is, it sure is unpleasant. Thank you for your comments, bettyellen.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
167. there are a few games I can think of....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:58 AM
Dec 2015

like peek a boo! and who me?

I broke down and posted the links elsewhere. Fuck the games.

And you are welcome, always.

betsuni

(29,329 posts)
170. Agree. Or like a kid with a chocolate-smeared face insisting he didn't eat the candy bar. nt
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:10 AM
Dec 2015

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
171. "Bizarre that a person can apologize for something, then pretend it never happened."
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:11 AM
Dec 2015

Sort of like Hillary.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
87. LOL! Like clockwork.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:32 PM
Dec 2015

You may feel entitled to use your own rules for our language, but language doesn't work that way.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
91. the funny thing is that they honestly read the same post and think it validates their claim.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:36 PM
Dec 2015

I don't think they are consciously lying.

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
96. The claim is valid...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:42 PM
Dec 2015

Why else would Willy have posted an apology?



It's the fan club that can't see the words that are right there in front of their face.

Sid

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
104. Why would an apology matter to the person ...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:23 PM
Dec 2015

That started this sub-thread ... he DOES have a history of posting the outrageou, then denying that he said what he apologized for.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
112. It was purely rhetorical.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 04:08 AM
Dec 2015

There was zero sincerity in the language. There could have been a substantive post about why AA posters support Clinton. Dyson wrote a really long article in The Republic giving some reasons. It resulted in a lot of discussion on "black twitter." Not everyone agreed, of course. Some even called Dyson out for being a shill, etc.

And you called the New Republic a center right neoliberal publication.

So if we're not going to actually discuss the issue and dismiss black opinions, fuck it. It's pointless.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
123. +1...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:49 AM
Dec 2015
It was purely rhetorical. There was zero sincerity in the language.


I think the OP did exactly what he/she intended ... use inflammatory language, in an empty OP, to piss off Black (and LGBT) DUers; thereby, guaranteeing him/herself a spot on the Greatest Thread page ... and, subsequent "He/She Rocks" threads ... I can think of two other (while others try, with less success) that do/did the same thing with timed regularity, earning them "Pillars of DU" status.
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
179. "And you called the New Republic a center right neoliberal publication."
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:46 AM
Dec 2015

That would be because it is.


Peretz ownership and eventual editorship, 1974–1979[edit]
In March 1974, the magazine was purchased for $380,000[12] by Harvard University lecturer Martin Peretz,[16] from Gilbert Harrison.[12] Peretz was a veteran of the New Left who had broken with that movement over its support of various Third World liberationist movements, particularly the Palestine Liberation Organization. Peretz transformed TNR into its current form. Under his ownership, TNR has advocated both strong U.S. support for the Israeli government and a hawkish U.S. foreign policy.[12] On domestic policy, it has advocated a self-critical brand of liberalism, taking positions that range from traditionally liberal to neoliberalism. It has generally supported Democratic candidates for president, although in 1980 it endorsed the moderate Republican John B. Anderson, running as an independent, rather than the Democratic incumbent Jimmy Carter.

Kinsley and Hertzberg editorships, 1979–1991[edit]
Michael Kinsley, a neoliberal (in the American sense of the term), was editor (1979–1981; 1985–1989), alternating twice with Hendrik Hertzberg (1981–1985; 1989–1991), who has been called "an old-fashioned social democrat".[citation needed] Kinsley was only 28 years old when he first became editor and was still in law school.[12]

Writers for the magazine during this era included neoliberals Mickey Kaus and Jacob Weisberg along with Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes, Morton Kondracke, Sidney Blumenthal, Robert Kuttner, Ronald Steel, Michael Walzer, and Irving Howe.[12]

During the 1980s the magazine generally supported President Ronald Reagan's anti-Communist foreign policy, including provision of aid to the Nicaraguan Contras. It has also supported both Gulf Wars and, reflecting its belief in the moral efficacy of American power, intervention in "humanitarian" crises, such as those in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo during the Yugoslav wars.

The magazine also became known for its originality and unpredictability in the 1980s. It was widely considered a "must read" across the political spectrum. An article in Vanity Fair judged TNR "the smartest, most impudent weekly in the country," and the "most entertaining and intellectually agile magazine in the country." According to Alterman, the magazine's prose could sparkle and the contrasting views within its pages were "genuinely exciting". He added, "The magazine unarguably set the terms of debate for insider political elites during the Reagan era."[12]

With the less predictable opinions, more of them leaning conservative than before, the magazine won the respect of many conservative opinion leaders and 20 copies were messengered to the Reagan White House each Thursday afternoon. Norman Podhoretz called the magazine "indispensable", and George Will said it was "currently the nation's most interesting and most important political journal." National Review described it as "one of the most interesting magazines in the United States."[12]

Sullivan editorship, 1991–1996[edit]
In 1991, Andrew Sullivan, a 28-year-old gay conservative from Britain, became editor and took the magazine in a somewhat more conservative direction, though the majority of writers remained liberal or neoliberal. Hertzberg soon left the magazine to return to The New Yorker. Kinsley left the magazine in 1996 to found the online magazine Slate.[12]

Sullivan invited Charles Murray to contribute a controversial 10,000-word article that contended blacks may be, as a whole, less intelligent than whites due to genetics. The magazine also published a very critical article about Hillary Clinton's health care plan by Elizabeth McCaughey, an article that Alterman called "the single most influential article published in the magazine during the entire Clinton presidency". However, this article was later shown to be inaccurate and the magazine would later apologize for the story. Sullivan also published a number of pieces by Camille Paglia.[12]

Ruth Shalit, a young writer for the magazine in the Sullivan years, was repeatedly criticized for plagiarism. After the Shalit scandals, the magazine began using fact-checkers during Sullivan's time as editor. One was Stephen Glass, who would be found to have made up quotes, anecdotes and facts in his own articles, while he served as a reporter years later (later dramatized in the feature film Shattered Glass).[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Republic#Peretz_ownership_and_eventual_editorship.2C_1974.E2.80.931979

..... and on to the present day. neoliberal economics, frequently neocon foreign policy positions, forays into right wing social policies, yes indeed very much in the DLC Third Way Whathefuckevahtheycallthemselves New Democrat mold.

I was around for the sea change in '74.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
146. It's totally meaningless, but looks cogent and pity in the reply title.....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:24 AM
Dec 2015

So there, LOL!

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #72)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
183. Why didn'y you alert on it,
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:36 PM
Dec 2015

or at least post a cogent rebuttal.

I saw absolutely nothing wrong with the post.

...and the question mark makes ALL the difference in the World.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
184. I didn't alert because in my years here I have never alerted ...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:54 PM
Dec 2015

I prefer to let DUERS show what they are.

I didn't post a rebuttal because by the time I saw the post, there really was nothing left to say. Other DU expressed the outrage that I felt.

I am completely unsurprised that you would find nothing wrong with the post ... completely.

And, no ... the question mark does nothing to change the offensiveness of the post.

Why can't you see that? Is it because you, yourself, are a racist?


See? The question mark did nothing g to change the ugliness of the excerpt.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
185. I can add a question mark to an insulting statement and it nullifies it? What planet is this true on
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:03 PM
Dec 2015

On earth it doesn't work that way. As SBM has shown you.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
108. It's quite true. That "Stockholm Syndrome" post of his has . . .
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:11 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

upset and alienated many POCs on this board.

Surprised you don't know about it and the fact that he doubled down on his insult.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
118. Speaking as the proprietor of Conservative Cave:
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:13 AM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4356130

I beg you to reveal to us what Manny's doing. No doubt, it's big and it's bad, full of tension and fear.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
154. Amusing- if anyone were to agree with you- they'd get a hide. Here kitty kitty.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:44 AM
Dec 2015

No one's biting, huh?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
147. Manny had no idea that POC were slurred with chicken or watermelon jokes....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:26 AM
Dec 2015

According to himself, he has missed a great deal of discussion among AAs, here as well as out there.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
162. Some love to step right up to the line and say they don't see it, even when responding to posts....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:36 AM
Dec 2015

posts that discuss the line itself.


So, there were 2-3 busy threads one February- about a menu made for black history month where a school served fried chicken and watermelon, and people discussed the racial or racist implications in GD.
So they made an OP in response mocking the issue (apparently having no desire to actually read and learn from the POC discussing it) and joking about how he doesn't care if people make "gefilte fish" jokes. Yep. And many fans on that mocking OP had no idea- thought it was context free rambling about gefilte fish (and dutifully applauded it as more evidence of genius!).

So basically, he was telling POC to get over it- while claiming later, somewhere below the pseudo apology, that he didn't know what "it" actually was. Not aware of the connotations. Maybe he could have perused a thread or two- for the sake of Black History Month, that would have been wise.

Jury- please note, embarrassed parties actually asked for the links to be provided further up in this thread:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4472335
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358#post11

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
61. D'oh!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:41 PM
Dec 2015

I hit one error and I didn't even bother to finish the sentence. I never expected two in on title.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
63. I recently saw "'te he" (as in giggle)
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

in a post. That has to be a record of some kind.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
80. The responses to this excellent post are
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

helping me fill up my ignore list.

Thanks, Manny. Another public service done.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
84. But according so some here it didnt happen or didnt say what it said
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:14 PM
Dec 2015

fuck this

Karl Rove is rolling in laughter

marym625

(17,997 posts)
106. Yes, Willy T does rock!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:51 PM
Dec 2015

I love Willy! Always have, always will.

Can't believe I almost missed this!

















 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
111. I'm LGBT and so....
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:47 AM
Dec 2015

The Stockholm syndrome insult to every POC and LGBT person was abhorrent to me. I will never consider another thing he posts to have any credibility. Period.

akbacchus_BC

(5,830 posts)
114. Is this what DU now comes to represent. You rock each other on here?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 04:24 AM
Dec 2015

I thought it was a political site and if you wish to be mushy about a topic, you take it to the lounge! That's what I have been told when I wanted to chat about the Walking Dead.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
119. Willy is awesome. I've never seen anyone on this board so bullied and remain so positive.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:06 AM
Dec 2015

Good for you, Wilbur, (((WillyT)))

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
121. Bullied and positive, eh?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:25 AM
Dec 2015

Was this before or after he accused gays and Blacks of having Stockholm Syndrome?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
125. Stockholm Syndrome isn't a mental illness, leftofcool.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:45 AM
Dec 2015

It's an entirely ordinary thing that happens to real people all the time. There's no "accusation". The entire mess around his post about Stockholm Syndrome flushed out all the stupidest people on this website, the flatulent, petulant, hypocritical morons. The people whose attention is spent on farcical misinterpretations of things in order to take offense at them. It. Was. Bullshit.

Yes. It was bullying. The whole thread was. And the reason it was bullying is BECAUSE WillyT is so positive.

So, yeah. That's the way it ACTUALLY is.

I bet there's a small subthread about it here. I can't see it as I put most of the whiny fuckwits on ignore ages ago. Good riddance. Let them rot. Let them post "yawn."

Anybody with two brain-cells to rub together can see perfeclty well for themeselves EXACTLY what was happening.

Emote away, petal. Bring out your most carefully selected smilies.
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
128. So using YOUR OWN WORDS… it's okay to say everyone who voted to leave your post
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:33 AM
Dec 2015

on the alert jury are the 'stupidest people on DU"? (your own words, not mine)

That those presumably Sanders supporters are "flatulent, petulant, hypocritical morons" (your own words, not mine)

That they are "whiny fuckwits"?(your own words, not mine)

That is YOUR terminology, not mine.

Everyone who voted to leave your post should have had the GUTS to post their names so everyone could see just how inexcusable and offensive a certain band of Sanders supporters are.

And apparently you don't know what bullying is:

It's calling African Americans and GLBT people mentally ill with Stockholm Syndrome for having a political opinion and supporting a particular candidate other than your own.

And then doubling down on it several days later with a follow up thread.






HERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF A FAILED JURY SYSTEM WHEN THIS SITE IS OVERRUN BY SANDERS SUPPORTERS:


What a thoroughly nasty post directed at DU'ers. This kind of hateful invective needs to stop. Seriously.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:26 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Stockholm Syndrome is NOT something that ordinarily happens to people all the time. Many Sanders supporters had the good sense and grace to decry that thread. It was deeply offensive to many and recognized as such. WillyT decided to not only keep that ugliness intact, he doubled down on it several days later.

To say that those who were offended by that are "the stupidest people on this website" and all the other nasty attacks that follows in his post means Sibelian is also including all the many, many Sanders supporters who recognized how offensive that WillyT thread was.

And to top it all off with "whiny fuckwits". If this comment doesn't get hidden, it says volumes about those giving this DU'er a pass. -Kittywampus
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "Emote away, petal?" I think it's imperative for all DUers to not be assholes. This post doesn't meet that standard. It probably won't be hidden but it's not the only post in this awful thread that should be.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sibelian speaks the truth! Leave it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
150. Wow. Thank you Kitty. What a disgusting post to leave up.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

Shameless hate mongering against Dems. The primaries can't be over soon enough.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
129. Willy T is positive by telling large groups of people they have Stockholm Syndrome?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

Based on their ethnicity, or sexual orientation?

That sounds more like bigotry, to me. The large sweeping brush of bigotry.

bigot

noun big·ot \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
131. DU should be a giant sociology experiment
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

Maybe it already is!

The stuff people read into stuff, or simply fabricate, is astonishing. All to prove agenda.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
135. I agree. Willy T is a prime example, with his Stockholm Syndrome theory.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:55 PM
Dec 2015

Fabrication, indeed.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
157. My all time favorite funk tune, in a great video ...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:05 AM
Dec 2015

way back when they were all young and skinny. Thanks for posting it.

Much gaslighting going on these days.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
158. I saw them tape a Sessions at W54th episode way back. Was incredible.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:06 AM
Dec 2015

I need to get a recording of that show.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
137. They prove nothing to anyone, maybe not even to themselves.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:17 PM
Dec 2015

The fact that someone posts something does not necessarily mean he or she believes it. Neither does echoing someone else's bs.

It's not to worry.
This thread has over 200 recs.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
156. It is funny the pavlonian reaction to a manny op with a high rec count.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:03 AM
Dec 2015

They say imitation is the highest form of flattery!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
164. this one got loads of drooling reactions....
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:42 AM
Dec 2015

but you know, manny on the thread didn't realize they were mocking POC for not laughing heartily about being sterotyped.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4472335

It's fascinating the heads it flew over, no?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
166. It is amazing
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:56 AM
Dec 2015

how many threads I don't see, such flame wars and all over Bernie and HRC. The lows people will go to then turn right around and want you to believe they are moral and never say a nasty thing here on DU. Sorry...I quit buying that load years ago.

I wish GD-P would stay around forever, it gives folks a place to waste their time getting nothing done but feel better about themselves.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
168. Hey, Rex! Great to see you, as always.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:58 AM
Dec 2015

"Pavlovian reaction" is certainly one term for it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
169. How are you doing merrily!
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:06 AM
Dec 2015

Makes me lmao at how silly this place has become. 'I am sooo moral!!!' 'I am way more morals than yous! Can I get a crown and a throne! I am so better than all! I am so smrt! And betterer and way more liberals!' Blah blah blah...on and on with these folks. Year after year.





 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
174. It is funny. You think one day we will finally crown a King or Queen of DU Purity?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:22 AM
Dec 2015

Then they can roll out the list of heretics to be placed in the banned zone. I am so good and awesome and great person number one morally pure mega badass but humble to the lesser people that do bad things that I point out and plot with my crayons and water colors on the wall!



merrily

(45,251 posts)
175. You're on a roll this morning! I've given up trying to understand purity.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:30 AM
Dec 2015

DU's left was berated about it a lot. But then, when members of DU's left began supporting Sanders, we were told we weren't pure enough on the gun issue, even though his ratings from the NRA were F and I think one D-. It was then that I realized that I had no clue what purity trolling meant.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
176. Thank you! Thank you! I will be here all morning.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:37 AM
Dec 2015

Actually it is night here and I need to get some sleep. I hear ya, today I decided it is pointless to talk to people paranoid the govt is coming for their guns. No matter what you say, they cannot help but feel insecure all the time and need a gun to feel better about life. Oh and the govt is coming for their guns!

There are several topics here that are pointless to discuss, but people do with a passion in epic sub-thread fashion.

Gnight and good morning to you merrily!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
151. Gas lighting bullshit. People are comprehending just fine, Manny. They aren't playing stupid games.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:34 AM
Dec 2015

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
140. There's a lot of love to give.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7372927

My feelings were hurt when my post was compared to "Gish Gallop," as one poster who didn't need to read to know put it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
133. I usually don't participate in "Tribute"Threads, or "Call out" threads,
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:03 PM
Dec 2015

unless someone has passed,
but I will be glad to march in WillyT's Parade.

PARTY!!!!
Weekend at Willy's!

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