Prepare for mass shootings like we've never seen before in the coming year

[951-Riverside]

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Because psychos are stocking up on firearms like never before

Black Friday breaks record with 185K gun background checks

More Americans had their backgrounds checked purchasing guns on Black Friday than any day in the on record, according to data released by the FBI this week.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System processed 185,345 requests on November 27, one of the largest retail sales days in the country.

"This was an approximate 5% increase over the 175,754 received on Black Friday 2014," wrote Stephen Fischer, the FBI's chief of multimedia productions. "The previous high for receipts were the 177,170 received on 12/21/2012."

Previous spikes for background checks, conducted before a gun buyer can obtain a firearm, occurred after prominent mass shootings, like in December 2012 in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

Other Black Friday shopping days in 2014, 2013 and 2012 occupied the FBI's "top 10" list of the most background checks processed in a 24-hour period.

Since 1998, FBI data shows that the bureau has processed requests for more than 220 million firearm purchases.

Licensed sellers deny sales to failed background checks based on a variety of factors including criminal backgrounds, domestic violence convictions or restraining orders.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/01/black-friday-breaks-record-185k-gun-background-checks/76624604/

I'm afraid we've lost on the stricter background check front.

You can't push for stricter background checks on psychos who already have guns. I think we have to start pushing for confiscations and outright bans.

What else can we realistically do?

[Person 2713]

1. All I want for Xmas .... Happy holiday gun shopping everyone( gonna guess not a lot of

hunting rifles in the mix maybe I'm wrong)

[GGJohn]

10. Those AR platforms make great hunting rifles,

I have an AR platform rifls chambered in .308 with a 5 round mag for hunting, I can easily convert it to the .223 round for small game hunting or feral hog hunting.

[Travis_0004]

19. AR-10?

By .308, do you mean 7.62x51 Nato, or something else in .308?

I didn't think an AR-15 upper could fit on a AR-10 lower, so I'm currious how that works. I have an AR-15 that I can shoot .22, .223 or .50 beowulf, so I know a bit about the platform.

[GGJohn]

22. Yes, AR-10.

I had a friend of mine, who's a gunsmith, manufacture an upper that will fire the .223 round, cost me an arm, but not the leg.

[Travis_0004]

34. Ok

Makes sense, I assumed it had to be something custom, I imagine there wouldn't be too much demand since an AR-15 is more popular and cheaper than the AR-10

[Shandris]

2. I don't know, stop trying to enforce your fears on people?

Just a thought, since we're running with the whole 'courage' theme now.

[Lizzie Poppet]

3. Thank you for that telepsychoanalysis, Dr. Riverside.

Worth every penny paid...

[hifiguy]

4. The murder rate is going to skyrocket in this country.

And it will be heavily armed RWNJs who will be doing the shooting.

This society is fucked up beyond description or comprehension.

[linuxman]

63. The murder rate in the US has been declining for decades in the face of more gun sales

And most murders are taking place in a select few metropolitan inner cities.

But you keep believing, ya hear?

[flamingdem]

5. Learn to

duck!

[Rex]

6. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas, everywhere you go.

[GGJohn]

7. WTF makes you think that psychos were buying those firearms?

Confiscations and outright bans?
Yeeeaaahhhh, good luck with that, considering UBC's can't even make it out of the Senate.

[onehandle]

9. Republican Senate celebration at Democratic Underground.

Nice.

Yeeeaaahhhh!

[GGJohn]

12. You do realize that a number of Dems also voted against it.

Don't even try to pull that crap on me.

[onehandle]

13. Found it. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. Still making shit up about other DUers, eh?

Note to potential jurors: When asked for links to any purported 'celebration', none were produced...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7395201

And they celebrate murder

Here.

[branford]

86. The OP, and apparently you, support "confiscations and outright bans."

This is most certainly not the position of the Democratic Party, and opposing such measures hardly a "Republican Senate celebration at Democratic Underground."

I guess it's once again time to review the actual Democratic Platform concerning firearms.

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

[Hoyt]

39. Yeah, sane people run out and buy gunz after every mass shooting. Sane people promote gunz too.

[GGJohn]

42. Post your proof that these people are insane.

Or is just another classic Hoytism?

[ileus]

104. whurs muh beans?

[ncjustice80]

92. ^This.

One day this nation will come to its senses and ban them.

[Agschmid]

155. +1

[onehandle]

8. Erection pills sales up too.

It’s an industry that’s growing, because the upside of our increased longevity is increased demand for drug companies’ products. By 2018, for example, the global prescription-drug industry is expected to be worth more than $870 billion – and more than $1 trillion by 2020.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/made-in-ireland-viagra-and-botox-claritin-and-panadol-1.2446445

[Throd]

11. How do I prepare? Maybe I should buy a gun.

[Township75]

14. Since you mention being realistic, who is it that goes out into the public and confiscates guns?

How does your plan work? Who is in the trenches going after the guns in homes and private establishments?

You or someone else that y don't know?

[Throd]

18. People armed with guns will confiscate the guns.

[Travis_0004]

20. Who??

You realize there are still Sherriffs who refuse to enforce the SAFE act in NY. I bet most police would not be willing to enforce the orders.

Plus a cop knocks on my door "sorry officers, I sold all my guns last year"

Do you want a police state where they bust down every door and search every house?

[Throd]

26. Just pointing out the irony of gun confiscation.

That it would take a heavily armed force and gross abuses of civil liberties to pull this off.

I own firearms of which no record exists. Is the confiscation squad going to toss my entire house from attic to basement to see if I have arms or not? I know that image would get some people around here aroused.

[Township75]

25. Who are those people?

Before a gun owner goes to turn in his gun he goes home to home in his neighborhood to enforce the ban ? Is that the plan or is it law enforcement ?

[Skittles]

15. gun humpers are the biggest cowards on the planet

they need THERAPY, not guns

[WillyT]

16. WORD !!!

[onehandle]

21. Gun humpers infiltrate online forums from politics to needlepoint to push their agenda.

[Skittles]

87. driven by fear and paranoia

f*** them all

[hifiguy]

23. +1

i'd exempt only the historical collectors, but they're a completely different breed of cat.

[HERVEPA]

54. Skittles rocks

[ileus]

106. don't they realize guns killz people

[smirkymonkey]

110. Hear, hear!

[Agschmid]

156. Yup.

[X_Digger]

17. Let me guess, you're not going to be on the door-to-door team.

No, you're the idea man, someone else is the 'get shit done' man. Amirite?



Free clue: Our murder rate, with guns or without, is half what it was in the early 90's. That's 220 million checks since 1998, and in spite of that, violent crime continues to drop.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Come on... you're just a Fact Humper, ain'tcha.

I bet you stroke those facts when you're alone, dreaming of seeing them grow...

Whoa. For a minute there I dreamt I was a gun-grabber. Bbbbbbb... scary!

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. Of course not, 99% of gun prohibitionists are chickenhawks whose 'activism'...

...entails use of a keyboard- and as noted above, a decidely elastic definition of 'truth'...

[babylonsister]

28. I need a link, please, so I can share. Thanks! nt

[951-Riverside]

29. I am so sorry. I've just edited the OP and put in a link but here you go

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/12/01/black-friday-breaks-record-185k-gun-background-checks/76624604/

[msrizzo]

31. Oh my god.

That is literally sickening.

[GGJohn]

32. Why is this sickening?

You actually believe this thread?
You believe that on Nov. 27th, hundreds of thousands of psychos went out and bought firearms?

[Logical]

33. It's gun poster guy! nt

[GGJohn]

36. It's the stalker guy.

[Logical]

37. Do you ever post about something besides guns? Like liberal causes? Etc? nt

[GGJohn]

38. I'm curious,

why are you so interested in what I post?
Also, how is this any of your business?
Are you the self appointed zampolit of DU?
Did the Admins bestow upon you the title of busy body?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Logical]

40. Just link to a real DU topic you posted. A liberal one. Just curious. nt

[GGJohn]

45. See post #38. eom.

[Logical]

47. OK, you must not understand what liberal topics are. I think I get it now. Looking forward.....

to a non gun related post from you. Love to actually know your stance on non-gun topics. If there are any.

[GGJohn]

50. Again, see post #38.

But just assuage your curiosity, here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7398708

[Logical]

61. Ok, I was wrong. Thank you! Nt

[GGJohn]

62. And thank you. eom.

[SecularMotion]

94. So you're against the death sentence for convicted criminals

but have no problem with gun owners slaughtering criminals for minor infractions.

That's rich

[GGJohn]

95. I have no problem with Americans defending themselves against

violent criminals who attack law abiding citizens.
What do you consider a "minor infraction"?

[treestar]

90. What do you say about the many mass shootings in this country?

Too bad?

[GGJohn]

96. What is your solution?

Other than the fantasy of outright bans and confiscation?

[treestar]

118. I just wondered if you had an opinion?

About the mass shootings in this country. You already have my opinion and you call it a fantasy. OK. So what do you think about all the mass shootings in this country?

[951-Riverside]

48. I've noticed this too, GGJohn you seem to have an alert set up for anything firearm related

then you seem (at least to me) to flood the thread with passive aggressive posts, turn the thread into a giant flame war to the point where it gets locked then repeat the process.

Personally I don't mind but are you here of your own accord or do you represent a gun lobby like the NRA, GOA or any gun manufacturers?

[GGJohn]

53. Little old me turn a thread into a flame war?

You attribute far too much credit to me, this thread is the flamebait, as you damn well knew when you posted it.

The only firearm org I belong to is this one:

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

The mission of The Liberal Gun Club is to provide a voice for gun-owning liberals and moderates in the national conversation on gun rights, gun legislation, firearms safety, and shooting sports. We serve as a national forum for all people, irrespective of their personal political beliefs, to discuss firearms ownership, firearms use, and the enjoyment of firearms-related activities free from the destructive elements of political extremism that dominate this subject on the national scale. We also actively develop and foster a variety of programs for the purpose of firearms training and firearms safety education, for both gun owners and non-gun owners.

[951-Riverside]

55. Interesting. I appreciate your honesty on that. n/t

[ncjustice80]

93. He is a cop apologist to. N/T

[GGJohn]

99. That's a lie,

which would make you a ................................

[ncjustice80]

158. Less of a liar than you.

And a better Democrat.

[GGJohn]

159. Pure coumedy gold.

If your claim is that I am a police apologist, despite the fact that I've come out against the cop who shot Tamir Rice, against the cop who murdered Michael Brown, came out against the cop who shot McDonald 16 times, etc., then that would make you the liar.

I highly doubt you're a better Democrat than anyone here.

[ncjustice80]

160. Than you would be mistaken.

[GGJohn]

161. This is just more comedy gold.

No, I'm not mistaken, but if it floats your boat to believe that, then I'll leave you in your fantasy.

[ncjustice80]

162. Oh its the love boat baby.

Floating past all the gun humpers!

We all know your true colors though

[GGJohn]

163. Oooh, that's deep.

What? Are you 5 years old?

[ncjustice80]

164. Ahhhh, run out of stuff to say?

I make a humorous reply to your ridiculous response and that is all you can go with?

[GGJohn]

165. Maybe you should learn what humor really is.

Jus sayin".

Until you learn what humor actually is, I'll bid you farewell and have a great night.

[ncjustice80]

166. Tah-tah!

[tosh]

167. I dunno.

Something about such liberal use of the ROFL smilie-thing after each and every public shooting event is a little off-putting to me.

[GGJohn]

168. Those smilies have absolutely nothing to do with these shootings.

And you god damn well know that, so take your shitty accusations elsewhere.

[tosh]

170. Wow.

[GGJohn]

171. This wasn't even about firearms,

ncjustice accused me of being a cop apologist and then called me a liar when I pointed out to him that I have opposed police shootings on numerous occasions, so excuse me if I'm a little touchy right now.

[ileus]

108. What does that have to do with being a 2A progressive?

[Arugula Latte]

144. You must be so happy! More gun carnage today!

You 2nd amendment freaks are getting your way ... blood in the streets.

[GGJohn]

149. Yeah, I'm just so fucking thrilled.

[GGJohn]

35. So can we count on you to be in the fore front of the confiscation teams?

If you believe in this so strongly, then put your money where your mouth is, get up off the couch and volunteer to go door to door and try to take away law abiding American's firearms.

You'll never find mine, a tragic boating accident happened and all my firearms were lost at sea.

[Hoyt]

41. Gunners like to intimidate people, but it ain't working any more.

[951-Riverside]

43. +1

[GGJohn]

49. Care to answer the question that was posed to you? eom.

[GGJohn]

46. You find my post intimidating?

[Hoyt]

57. Typical gunner Molon Labe BS.

[GGJohn]

58. I don't even know what that means.

[Hoyt]

59. Of course you do. You are always posting the "come and get em" retort.

I wouldn't be surprised if you had one of those flags popular among gunners.

[GGJohn]

60. What flag is popular among firearm owners Hoyt.

Because I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

The only 3 flags popular with me are these:







But if you're accusing me of what I think you are, you'd best tread very lightly, you're on the verge of calling me a racist.

[Hoyt]

66. Popular flag among gunners and the "come and take em" crowd.

[GGJohn]

67. That's the first time I've ever seen that.

Why the hell would I want a flag like that?
And how the hell do you know that most firearm owners have that?
Just more Hoytism.

[Hoyt]

68. You do use the "come and take em" argument a lot. And yoy go to gun shows and ranges,

where that and similar flags are ubiquitous.

[GGJohn]

69. Once again, Hoyt, that's the first time I've ever seen that flag,

it's not something I would ever own.

[Hoyt]

71. If you've been to a gun show or posted on Discussionist, you've seen it.

It's one of those 2nd Amendment icons.

[GGJohn]

74. ONE MORE TIME HOYT,

I"VE NEVER SEEN THAT IMAGE OR FLAG.

What part of that don't you understand?

I don't belong to that cesspool Discussionist, it's not my thing.
I've been to hundreds of firearm shows in my lifetime, I've never seen that.

[Hoyt]

77. I know, you've never even heard the NRA's "from my cold dead hands.". Pretty much same thing.

Never seen popular Molon Labe grips, etched lower receivers or barrels, etc., not to mention tattoos, bumper stickers, etc.

[GGJohn]

78. Are you calling me a liar Hoyt?

Be very careful how you answer this.

[Hoyt]

80. I guess you are the only 2nd Amendment type who is not aware of Molon Labe.

[GGJohn]

81. Maybe I am,

but I highly doubt it.

[11 Bravo]

117. You're not. I too have been to numerous gun shows, and the only place ...

I've ever seen that graphic (I didn't even know it was a flag) is in the sig line of some fuckwad posting over in the shithole known as Discussionist.

[Waldorf]

72. Gunners intimidate? Didn't the OP suggest bans and confiscation of peoples property? Now

who is intimidating?

[Hoyt]

73. The poor pitiful plight of those who fancy gunz in our society.

The poster I responded to was doing the "come and get em" junk.

[GGJohn]

75. "come and get em" junk.

More classic Hoytism.
Don't ever change.

[treestar]

89. Sure

Then maybe we won't have these mass shootings.

[GGJohn]

97. I sure hope you're prepared for CW2,

because that's what's going to happen if bans and confiscation were to ever be attempted.
But I'm not worried, that's just a an anti gunner's fantasy, hell, most of the cops in this country would probably refuse to enforce such a pipe dream.

[Lizzie Poppet]

107. Good luck with that.

And I meant that both sincerely and literally. Invest in the best Kevlar body armor you can afford. Practice at the range. A lot. Basically, to be effective as a confiscation team member (and to even survive, for that matter), you'll basically have to become what you seem to oppose: a serious shooter.

Another suggestion: look at the actual data on gun-related homicide. You'll find that mass shootings constitute a very small fraction of those crimes. You're prioritizing the wrong guns and the wrong people.

[951-Riverside]

115. You're right Liz, 308 mass shootings is a small fraction of the 12,166 gun deaths so far this year

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

"Invest in the best Kevlar body armor you can afford. Practice at the range. A lot. Basically, to be effective as a confiscation team member (and to even survive, for that matter), you'll basically have to become what you seem to oppose: a serious shooter." -- Lizzie Poppet

"I sure hope you're prepared for CW2, because that's what's going to happen if bans and confiscation were to ever be attempted." -- GGJohn

Seems like a threat against Law Enforcement, are you two encouraging people to shoot police officers who try confiscate illegal firearms?

If that's the case, I don't see how making veiled threats to kill people helps your cause or demonstrates that gun owners like yourself are level-headed or responsible people.

[Lizzie Poppet]

140. Encouraging? Not in the least.

It's a horrific scenario that only a fool would want (or encourage).

But it's also how things would play out in the face of a serious attempt to enforce a ban. There are c. 80 million gun owners in the US, and there is no reason to believe that compliance rates would be any better than they have already proven to be in multiple US states that have enacted bans on certain weapons and/or magazines (that is to say <10%). That means that for a ban to actually reduce the number of firearms in civilian hands, it would have to be actively enforced...and some portion of that 90% will resist. Whether or not I think such resistance is a good thing or not (and I don't), it's what would result.

[treestar]

120. So they are a small fraction

that means we don't have to worry about them? What are we to do about them? I assume no one wants them to just happen as if they are just a fact of nature we have to put up with.

[Lizzie Poppet]

141. Of course it doesn't mean that.

For me, however, it means that there is a much larger priority in terms of gun control: keeping handguns out of the possession of criminals. The largest segment of gun-related homicide is made up of murders committed by persons with significant prior criminal records, and with handguns, not rifles.

While I'd like to think that both segments could be addressed at the same time, that might not be the case. If we on the left have to burn political capital to achieve any of these outcomes, I want that political capital spent where it will potentially save the most lives. I realize the argument can be made that in that large segment of gun murders committed by felons, the victims are very often felons, too...whereas mass shooting victims are almost always innocent victims and thus more deserving of the effort. But I'm not comfortable with that...I don't think that's a progressive stance.

[sarisataka]

44. I'm prepared

[loyalsister]

51. Enough with the "psycho" babble

It's bull. These gun lovers and even the mass murderers are sane. They just have a sick sense of entitlement.

They believe these miniscule number of shootings is acceptable because they have an absolute right to own an instrument that is designed to kill so that they can feel "safe" and oh so awesomely powerful in their ability to kill or have an ego boost from being a good sharpshooter.

[friendly_iconoclast]

52. Did you get your degree in telepsychology from the same school the OP did?

[Go Vols]

134. lol

[GGJohn]

56. Hmmm.

[pipoman]

64. lol...there isn't anyone doing any confiscation and it is ludicrous to suggest it...

[951-Riverside]

70. Oh, you can keep your guns but...

As more firearms are distributed to people who ordinarily wouldn't own one and quite frankly probably shouldn't have one, its going to get a point where we're going to have so many mass shootings and random firearm attacks that people are going to be scared to visit the US, people are going to be afraid to go to large events, afraid to visit malls, afraid to take their children to school, afraid to walk down the street, afraid to bike, afraid to travel on buses, afraid to go out at night, afraid to travel on the roadway, afraid to protest, afraid to deliver mail, and other goods and afraid to patrol the streets.

When that happens, the economy is going to shut down, The National Guard is going to be deployed and people like you are going to have to have to make some hard choices about what it means to "keep and bear arms" and if its really worth it.

Let me remind you that not everyone who buys a firearm is going to lock it away, you're going to get people who are going to want to use them and they're not going to the shooting range. You're also going to get unstable people who are going to try to "one up" each other.

Just something to think about (although most probably won't).

[pipoman]

76. No it isn’t going to get to any such point

Every single year you have been alive there have been more and more guns in public ownership yet death ratea have been on steady decline for 40+ years....you believe in a 'stands to reason' myth. Maybe you should seek assistance with all of your anxiety, most people don't have these fears...

No, you are living in a fantasy land....there is actually a exclusive private club right here at DU for people who agree with your fantasy....it's a pretty quiet place, all the talkers have been banned (like 60 or 70 of"em I think)...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

[951-Riverside]

82. "you are living in a fantasy land" ...That's not very nice, pipoman

Being aggressive and resorting to using abusive language won't win people over to your cause.

No it isn’t going to get to any such point

Sandy Hook happened along with the 308 other mass shootings we've had this year alone (Source) but I don't expect you to think about anything I said today just like I don't expect anyone else who feels strongly about firearm ownership to either.

I've already made my position very clear on this issue, I don't think I have to repeat myself.

[pipoman]

85. I'm not trying to win anyone over to any cause

Just pointing out ridiculous silliness masquerading as serious commentary.

Yeah, I know you've posted your position and I've pointed out the folly in it ..

[roody]

65. Move to Europe. Very inconvenient.

[Snobblevitch]

79. Mass shootngs are incredibley rare, as are all gun deaths caused by rifles.

You should be more afraid of your Christmas tree catching on fire.

[951-Riverside]

83. I wouldn't call 308 mass shootings this year alone "incredibley" rare...

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

You can look at all of the shootings with news articles here: http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

I wouldn't call the 12,157 firearm related deaths so far this year rare either.

[lancer78]

88. But I have

a greater chance of dying by getting in my car and driving off. 253 Million cars compared to 300 million guns yet more deaths caused by cars.

[treestar]

91. so it's OK that they happen?

[GGJohn]

98. I just love how some here put words in others mouths.

Where in that post did the poster ever say it was ok that they happen?

[treestar]

119. They said it was rare

and when something is rare, it is usually sort of implied don't worry about it. Not all that likely to happen to you. Much like a terror attack or plane crash or random murder. But people still fear these things, or we wouldn't have increased security after 911, because it's so rare.

I guess it's a matter of why are they making that point? To get us not to worry about it happening to us? And therefore leave it alone and take no further measures? So doesn't that just accept that they happen and allow that they happen, sort of like hurricanes?

[LanternWaste]

105. Cancer is incredibly rare too.

Cancer is incredibly rare too, much more rare than than the common cold. Yet rational people still take precautions. For both.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

[Marrah_G]

84. I was watching some Vice dispatches tonight and something struck a cord.

There was a couple in Paris who were visiting from India. The gentleman said "I think this is our new global normal" and I think he is right. Not just Muslim extremists, but also people like the guy who shot up Planned parenthood or the guy who killed all the kids on that island in Norway.

People and groups are turning to violence and more people are arming themselves out of fear. But that fear will do nothing to stop what is happening. More guns is not the answer. What is also scary is that many people buying these weapon have no idea how to use those weapons and they have no idea how to react in a stressful active shooting situation.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

101. You're right that fear will do nothing to stop it...

I think all of the violence is actually fueled by fear. Being fearful seems to cause people to respond in violent ways so you just get more violence.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

100. So how should I go about preparing for all the mass shootings?

Is this about being mentally prepared? I'm already expecting all sorts of crazy and inane things to happen next year. It is just the way things are going.

[LonePirate]

102. I'm curious how many of these checks were for first time buyers vs. existing owners

I'm guessing that the overwhelming majority of these purchases (90%+) were from existing gun owners adding to their arsenals. Needless to say, we are long overdue for a repeal of the 2A.

[GGJohn]

111. You want to repeal the 2A?

Have at it, all you need to do is to convince the Congress to take up the matter, get 2/3 of the Congress to sign on to it, then convince 3/4th's of the states to ratify it, simple enough.

Of course you do realize that you'll never get enough of the Congress to agree and much less than 3/4 of the states to ratify it, it would only take 13 states to knock it down, and even if by some wild remote chance you got your wish, it wouldn't ban the RKBA, it would then fall to the states to set their own firearm policies, and many states have the RKBA in their Constitutions.

But what the hell, give it a go, but even here on DU, there is no majority for outright repeal of the 2A nor is there a majority for bans and confiscation.

[LonePirate]

113. Yes, it needs to be repealed as it is a menace to our society

And yes, we need to ban and confiscate all guns with offenders jailed. Guns and the irrational fears espoused by the gundamentalists have no place in our country.

[GGJohn]

114. Well then, you need to get started right away.

But don't be too saddened when you fail spectacularly.

[Township75]

116. So in your plan , who does the confiscating?

You and your family members go door to door liking for guns or is that some other person/families job?

And you are pro prison system then too right because we are going to build and expand our prison system to hold all those caught with firearms. You are for that right !

[ileus]

103. Blood in the streets!!!

[KamaAina]

151. In the town of New Haven...

Blood on the streets, it's up to my knees...

[trumad]

109. It's reassuring to know that...

We have about 3 very vocal gunners here on DU. One is rabid in his support for the killing tool.

He's in every single gun thread here on DU and pretty much says the same shit over and over.

I can handle the small amount here on DU...even the most vocal ...because they are such a small very loud minority.

[GGJohn]

112. Awwwww.

[Darb]

125. Earning your keep today I see.

How's Wayne?

[ecstatic]

121. This is scary. It means more mass shootings, more cops killing unarmed civilians

because they're "afraid," more domestic violence deaths, and more. And ALL mass shootings, regardless of the motive, are terrorism, IMO.

Also, I wonder if the increased sales are because people who were previously anti-gun are now thinking: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

[leftynyc]

122. Have you heard of the US Constitution?

From your insane idea of confiscation and outright bans, it doesn't appear you have. Violent crime rates have been falling for decades, you can stop wetting your pants about it.

[951-Riverside]

128. Yes I have and so have they....

but he's just just exercisin' his 1st and 2nd amendment right



Just exercin' their 2nd amendment right

[leftynyc]

130. So because there are assholes in TX

we should shred the constitution. Not while I'm able to fight against you.

[Darb]

129. I don't think the 2A says what you think it says.

sorry to inform you.

[leftynyc]

132. The judges on the supreme court

disagree and they are the branch of government that makes those calls. Good time to remind people threatening to pout and not vote has serious repercussions.

[Darb]

133. Wrong again. Words matter.

All the "Judges" do not disagree, 5 religio-fascist, authoritarian, misogynist, corpo-whores, two of them illegitimate, disagree.

What else, pray tell, do you agree with them on? I am sure the list is long.

As for the 2A, I still say it doesn't say what you think it says. Words matter. So does context. So does punctuation.

[leftynyc]

138. Spare me the drama

of merely pointing out who makes these calls. I've been on this board for a very long time and don't take kindly to newbies questioning my credentials. Knock it off.

[Darb]

139. Frankly, you don't know

shit about how long I have been here. So what else do you agree with Scalia about? Citizens United?

Now run off to LBN and defend the gun humper society with regard to the latest mass shooting.

[leftynyc]

146. I see I'm dealing with an infantile

mind and have no reason to engage someone who immediately accuses me of siding with scalia on citizens united because I point out the FACT AND REALITY that we can't ban guns because of the 2nd amendment. You argue like a 5 year old and aren't worthy of my time.

[Lizzie Poppet]

142. Leaving legal opinion aside and concentrating on the linguistics...

...what do you believe the 2nd Am to say?

[Darb]

145. Thanks for asking.

As written:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


The superior of the statement reads "A well regulated militia shall not be infringed". The two subordinant phrases are "being necessary to the security of a free state" and then "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms". The subordinants give support to the superior.

The way it is written leads to intent. The intent is to always have a militia at the ready because the founders did not intend to have a standing army. We now have a standing army. The militia is kind of mute, but I suppose could be likened to the national guard. But every kook be able to arm themselves to the teeth is nowhere in there.

As ratified it seems to me to confirm the above:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

This writing says "the right of the people to keep and bears arms shall not be infringed" is given SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of a militia and a free state.

Gun fetishists believe it says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" only, as evidenced by their nom de guerre "RKBA".

There is no individual right to any and all arms.

[clarice]

123. Foreign ?...or domestic psychos ? ....let me guess which one you meant....lol. nt

[951-Riverside]

126. Both and I don't see how that's funny

Is there a specific point you're trying to make?

[clarice]

131. Chill....I didn't say it was funny. And there is no POINT, just a question. nt

[GOLGO 13]

124. Dumb article. Hunting season just opened up.

Oh yeah, hunting season just started...maybe that was the cause of the spike? Naah just BobbyJo's want to get their war on.

[Pathwalker]

136. Gun season is over in Michigan. It's bow and arrow season now.

Last edited Wed Dec 2, 2015, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Promptly followed by videos of cats being hit by "stray" arrows. Film at 5,6, &11.(2 shot so far)

[Darb]

127. Don't worry, just humpers humpin'.

It's their right to do so, haven't you read the 2A? Says it right there, "the right to keep and hump arms,".

My worry is the "open hump" laws. Now that is obscene.

[malaise]

135. Well they didn't wait

Here we go again.

[KamaAina]

137. The coming year?

Looks like some ammosexual in San Bernardino didn't get the memo.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141276873

[Vinca]

143. And Trump's got them all ginned up.

[Liberal_in_LA]

147. You called it and you live in riverside

[ErikJ]

148. Quite prescient

[Daniel537]

150. Fuck the Second Amendment straight to hell.

So sick of this shit. No sane country would continue that nonsense after a mass slaughter like the ones we see on a daily basis in this country. But not us, of course, as always we defer to 18th century slave owners for input on the modern world.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

153. Some of the bible thumping gun nuts probably think the 2nd Amendment

was etched on the stone tablets that God gave to Charton Heston, which caused Charlton to exclaim "From my cold dead hands!"

[Daniel537]

154. That's how they sound whenever they spout off about "da constituuuuuuuuuuuuuuution"

As if its the Lawds work that can never be undone lest we incur his wrath.

[Crunchy Frog]

169. And some of them are right here on DU. n/t

[RandySF]

152. There were two others today

One in Houston and the other in Savannah

[valerief]

157. And Gun TV

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/02/gun-tv-home-shopping-channel

A new home shopping channel will launch in the US early in 2016. It will be called, simply, Gun TV.