Urgh. What are YOU doing about all the mass murders?

[bondwooley]

It's just disgusting, but here are two links you should really look at:

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

and

http://www.killedbypolice.net/

What are you doing about this? I'm curious. I'm out of ideas.

All I can do is try to keep a memorial about it. If you want to see the latest update, it's here:

http://lesterandcharlie.com/2015/11/28/bang-bang-update/

More importantly, what are you doing? Maybe I can pitch in.

[Xipe Totec]

1. Some people think prayer helps. So I'm praying for gun control. nt

[bondwooley]

3. Well,

it's something. Not the praying type, here. But as a child of the 60s I do think sending out good vibes of any kind helps a bit.

[Township75]

2. I post on DU and make snarky comments

It could really change things.

[bondwooley]

6. Yeah.

I post a lot of places, and sometimes I just feel like I'm preaching to the choir. It's time (if not too late) for some action. Don't you think?

[Township75]

33. Well, what is reasonable?

Maybe I should ask what is doable. What could actually get done?

Unfortunately, DU has gotten to me and I usually end up making snarky comments because it is preaching to the choir, like you said, and it's more preaching, and it's more preaching....and if you don't preach the right stuff, you get banned.

Doable means we need republicans on board. I don't see how we pass legislation without them, or how we get rid of/drastically reduce gun violence without them. It's the same with some important Repub issue (e.g. business incentives, taxes, defense)...they can't do much without us.

To be frank, I think developing a self defense alternative to firearms would do more to get guns off the street than a resource intensive legislative battle that could be for nothing or only temporary and minuscule gains.

Your ideas? I am sincerely listening (or reading).

[japple]

4. I plaster social media with info., opinion pieces, cartoons (mostly gleaned from DU)

and memes gleaned from friends/family (the ones who aren't gun nuts). I speak out when the opportunity arises. I try to help awaken some of those who are still asleep on their feet. I don't know that it does any good. I do know that some family members and I are not on speaking terms because I asked them to cease & desist with their sexist, racist e-mails.

[linuxman]

5. I'm going to fear monger DU until I shame people out of their rights.

I mean, it's done so much for gun control in the past. Yessir, make fun of gun owners for mentioning confiscation, then suggest it 48 hours later. I just don't get why nobody trusts us!

[Squinch]

10. When you weigh the pain you feel when someone mentions taking away your gun

against all these pesky gun massacres, you seem to feel that you are the one being wronged, and everyone else is untrustworthy.

Your position in this is very sick.

[linuxman]

11. I am suspicious of people who oppose ANY constitutional rights.

Call me old fashioned, but those that don't respect one cannot be trusted to respect any of the others.

I can respect those that call for bans and prohibition backdoors routinely. It's the ones who harp on about "Nobody wants to ban guns!", then turn around and lead the band when it's convenient that I'm concerned by. Have some convictions.

[Squinch]

12. We are all, in the wake of yet another massacre, wracking our brains to determine which arguments

linuxman respects and which ones he doesn't.

Again, your response is self-obsessed and sick.

And PS, the second amendment is for maintaining a militia to protect the state. This shit has nothing to do with the second amendment.

[linuxman]

13. The supreme court,

Constitutional scholar and President Barack Obama, and most state constitutions say you are wrong.

[Squinch]

15. The supreme court did NOT disagree with my interpretation till Heller, which was written by

Scalia and dissented by everyone on the court that I have any respect for.

If that's the company you want to keep, you have defined yourself very clearly.

[linuxman]

17. Well, then just follow the laws you agree with I guess...

That'show it works, right?

Gun-prohis always have such regard for the laws...

[Squinch]

18. What law am I breaking?

[Squinch]

19. YOu all happy about Citizen's United, and because the SC upheld it, you're never going to say

anything about campaign finance?

ETA: really, that argument is so bad that it's too stupid even for gungeoneers.

[cpwm17]

24. Selfishness is the source of all evil in this world.

It would be nice if some people would consider the rights of Americans to not be murdered so some selfish asses can have their stupid guns.

How can anybody support an activity that causes so much harm to the innocent? – pure selfishness.

[smirkymonkey]

14. Hear, hear!

I really don't understand how so many people think that their right to gun ownership is more important than the right of others to live. How on earth have I gotten this far in life without ever having owned or laid a finger on a gun?

[bondwooley]

21. Very good point nt

[Squinch]

23. I know. I am so freaking sick of this lunacy. And I'm really sick of

the posters who only show up to spout NRA talking points whenever there is a massacre.

It's insane.

[CBGLuthier]

43. I am proud and happy to say that all the guns should be confiscated.

The fact that this is not very likely is not really such a cause for concern from you. yes, no one is confiscating your fucking guns. Which is a goddamn shame.

Frankly I am sick to fucking death of your fucking right to have a weapon. As I have told many a gun humping fool today if you want a gun join a fucking militia. Otherwise how about joining the civilized countries and people of this world.

[etherealtruth]

7. I make sure I vote for candidates at all levels that are in favor of gun control

I write state and federal congress critters and let them know how I feel. I donate $$$ to anti gun groups. I no longer 'shut up" .... I speak my mind, on this subject.

[Chan790]

8. I'm encouraging people to join the NRA. Really.

Apparently, most of the membership doesn't bother mailing in their ballots so if even 1% of people sick of the shootings joined the NRA and became voting members, we could boot out Wayne the Domestic Terrorist Enabler and board members, nominating and replacing them with people who would return the NRA to supporting sane gun legislation like it did for most of its history.

If nothing else, it would rob the gun lobby of a powerful voice.

[bondwooley]

9. Hey,

that's a good idea. Honestly.

[Squinch]

16. That is interesting. How many do you think it would take, numbers wise.

[bondwooley]

22. A billion, probably.

Unless they're really wealthy.

[Chan790]

27. A lot. I'm thinking a few tens of thousands.

I'm not being unrealistic about its success but every movement in history started with one person and a single repeatable action that others joined. Why not this?

[Squinch]

28. It's really a good idea.

[sir pball]

36. That's actually...a fantastic idea.

I shamefully joined for three years when I lived in CT and the only ranges available required membership, but dropped it the instant I had access to the public ones on PA. But I'd seriously reconsider in light of your concept..

[kentauros]

20. I am continuing to not own a gun.

That way, if anyone breaks in, they can't steal the guns I don't own

[etherealtruth]

25. Actually, very true

[MisterP]

26. today? booze and mockery of everything Alex Jones

[ileus]

29. I do my best to stay unarmed as little as possible.

[Logical]

31. WTF is wrong with you? You love these mass shootings so you can smart off. nt

[Squinch]

32. Like roaches when the lights go off.

[Logical]

34. He is not a normal gun owner. nt

[sir pball]

37. Yeah, I'll shamelessly admit to more than I should re. guns..

But he usually makes even me facepalm. With "friends" like that..

[Logical]

38. I own guns and have a CC license but realize we have some gun issues. Nt

[sir pball]

39. Yeah, I dropped CC a while back but I know.

I didn't bother to transfer when I moved to Maine, and now in NYC...well, I *do* regularly carry $1500-5000 between restaurants so maybe?

But yes. Nationwide "may deny" FOID/permit to purchase a la Connecticut (where I grew up and got one, it's no big deal!), mandatory FFL transfers (a 4473 is not registration per se, but it is a chain of custody), safe storage, and a lot more are fine by me.

Though to be clear, NOT an AWB or any hardware restrictions in particular - AR-15s are as legal as any other rifle across most of Europe (NOT the Commonwealth, do not mix them up!) and yet they don't have mass shootings.

[Logical]

40. True, we have a violent country, check murder rates by guns in other....

Countries like us. Much lower.

[sir pball]

41. Oh, I'm well aware.

I figure if I'm involved in something (even if I don't engage in it publicly), I should be at least a bit knowledgeable about it...damn my enlightened parents!

It seems to me that while gun control is definitely necessary and works, after a certain point it sort of asymptotes...looknat Germany vs. the UK, if I remember correctly they have about the same murder rate but the Germans allow any kind of (non-full-auto) rifle your heart desires and even *gasp* handguns. But the vetting and tracking system works. Hell, New Zealand doesn't even have registration and their rate is like 0.9 or something...relatively high but it makes sense if you know a Kiwi

[Logical]

42. Yes, it is not just guns, our culture is very different. Nt

[fayhunter]

35. Maybe what I'll do

is join Herbalife, make a billion dollars, and then spend more on Congress than the gun lobbies.

[Le Taz Hot]

44. I'm working my ass off to get Bernie Sanders to the presidency

AND get progressives elected to the U.S. Congress and Senate -- people who are more likely to sponsor and vote for gun restriction legislation.

That's what I'm doing. You're welcome to join us.