One male, one female dead

[philosslayer]

Wow.

[ellenrr]

1. yeah, so now we won't know the motives,

news conference said they (shooters) were in military garb, armed with hand-guns, and had some 'suspicious' objects.
FBI director LA talking now.

[LiberalElite]

7. When they're ID'd maybe some who know them can

provide some info.

[tishaLA]

11. I wish the reporters would have asked

The FBI agent what, to him and/or the FBI, would constitute "terrorism." Yes being exceptionally careful about not classifying it as that right now, and his earlier statement was curious, so I'm wondering what the fuck criteria they use.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. The FBI is exceedingly careful

to call anything terrorism. He also said they will go where the evidence will take them.

[ManiacJoe]

31. Terrorism requires a political motive for the mass terror.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. The FBI have revised their own internal definition slightly

in recent years

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. There was also a bomb left behind.

This is not some deranged gunman.

[TwilightGardener]

3. So that body on the ground WAS a female. Thought I saw a bra strap and a big tramp stamp.

[uppityperson]

5. Anti-tattoo bigotry? ETA, my apologies, I am sensitive about that term, it's used pejorativly too

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often.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Is there such a thing? I thought that's what those big tattoos across the lower back were called.

[uppityperson]

8. Uh. Huh.

[Chan790]

22. That is actually the tattoo industry term for those tacky small-of-back tattoos.

As misogynistic as it is.

They started out as something pornographic actresses would get so they could make sure their performances weren't being used as stock footage for uncredited (and thus unpaid) usage in other movies. Also, tattoos in the pubic region on the front. Occasionally, breast tattoos as well.

[uppityperson]

27. The artist whose tattoo business I managed hated the term. I know others use it, but having helped

many professionals and non design their tats, it rubs wrong. Back tats are not just for porn stars and most are hardly tramps.

[NutmegYankee]

10. That actually is a common name for them.

It may be disgusting to DU, but it is the common name in use among the 20s to 30s crowd.

[melman]

13. It's been a commonly used term since the early 90s

[FSogol]

23. We call them "butt antlers"

[NutmegYankee]

24. I've never heard that one.

[MADem]

36. It is the German term for them. He's not making that up...! nt

[TwilightGardener]

41. No problem.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

9. I think the PC term is "909 birthmark"

[valerief]

29. San Bernadino area code? nt

[ellenrr]

4. FBI says there is a third suspect, he doesn't know the 'disposition'

apparently 3rd suspect is in custody.
this part of the news conference is murky... I don't know..
about a 3rd suspect.

[Texasgal]

14. Did they find the 3rd suspect?

Last I heard...( I'll admit my news was radio) that the police were canvassing a neighborhood, or a church? Looking for the 3rd suspect.

[ellenrr]

30. at one point in the news conference the chief said a 3rd person was in custody,

he did not reveal if this 3rd person is suspected of being one of the shooters.

[flamingdem]

20. I thought you wrote "turkey"

am going out of my mind with all this crazy violence.

Wondering if these two are sympathizers with.. well who knows

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Not murky one bit

he has been detained. They do not know yet if he\she is related to any of this.

keep (someone) in official custody, typically for questioning about a crime or in politically sensitive situations.
"she was detained without trial for two years"
synonyms: hold, take into custody, take (in), confine, imprison, lock up, put in jail, intern; More

[LonePirate]

12. When was the last time a mass shooting involved a female suspect?

There are many unusual elements to this tragedy.

[retrowire]

16. I'm really getting the feeling that this is gang related. nt

[Nevernose]

17. Last year. Las Vegas. Cliven Bundy lunatics

Rare, granted, but it might be getting more common. Yay equality!

[LonePirate]

18. The incident with the police officers at the restaurant?

Regardless of the suspect's gender, there is still that one undeniable common element with all of these tragedies.

[ellenrr]

32. yes, many oddities-- the fact that one suspect is a woman, makes me think of a

foreign terrorist operation.
I really really hope that the shooters or alleged shooters are not Muslim bec. that will blow the lid off of terror acts against all Muslims, which are already numerous.

[MoonRiver]

15. A lot may be revealed when their computers are examined.

[herding cats]

19. Yep. The one person I saw on Twitter was obviously a female

What I'm not clear on is if they know if these two people were "the" shooters. She had shorts on, and they didn't say anything about any of the shooters wearing shorts before.

She has had time to do a change of clothes I'm sure. Still, shorts when you're being hunted?

[TwilightGardener]

21. I think they may have had time to change or discard their clothes--

it was hours since the shooting. They sure didn't make it very far out of town, though. That's the real mystery, to me--why didn't they get out of town?

[Nevernose]

25. They went back to their apartment.

Changed clothes. Plain clothes were watching them when they left, then the shootout in the SUV. Bizarre.

[TwilightGardener]

26. They're pretty dumb, then.

[herding cats]

39. They went home

Which I guess is where they changed into comfortable mass murderer clothes? They were watching the residence and when they left they followed them and the shootout took place.

[ellenrr]

33. shorts? The police said both dead suspects were in "military assault garb".

[ManiacJoe]

37. Police definitions are often just as weird as the journalism definitions of items.

[herding cats]

38. The female on twitter was in shorts.

They were black, but they were also shorts. I can't link to the pic here, it won't let me do it for some reason.

[herding cats]

40. I just saw this here and can link to it. It is graphic, be warned!

The shorts may be a bit more charcoal in color than black, but whatever.

[ManiacJoe]

42. Not graphic, but quite blurry.

[herding cats]

43. Yep. I think it was grab from a video taken from a helicopter

This image is very zoomed in, which I admit I also did to the one I saw on twitter. If you save it and use a photo imaging software to zoom you can see her bra, but not what the tattoo is of no matter how you clean it up. I tried.

What you can see in this image is her shorts. Which is why I posted it for the person who asked.

Really all this says to us is they're not fundamentalist who believe they have to cover a woman from head to toe.

[MADem]

44. Syed Farook named as a suspect in attack that killed 14

San Bernardino shooting live updates: Syed Farook named as a suspect in attack that killed 14
What we know
Around 11 a.m., at least one shooter opened fire in San Bernardino at a party in the Inland Regional Center.
At least 14 people were killed and 17 wounded, San Bernardino police said.
Police said there were one to three assailants, who were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armor.
After an afternoon car chase, two suspects were killed by police -- one male and one female. A third person has been detained.
Anyone who suspects a relative was killed or wounded can call a family assistance hotline at [phone].
Full story: San Bernardino shooting

Times reporters are providing updates from the scene.

CORONA, CALIFORNIA — Law enforcement officials have identified Syed Farook as one of the suspected shooters who attacked a center for the disabled in San Bernardino, California, according to NBC News. The Daily Beast has learned that the police have just executed a search warrant at a Redlands, California address—an address that belongs to Farook’s family.

Police pursued a car leaving from the Redlands address, Chief Jarrod Baraugan said at a Wednesday evening press conference. A male and female suspect were inside the car, and both of them have been killed. Both of the suspects were armed with assault rifles and handguns, Baraugan said. Police have apprehended a third man, but have not identified his relation to the attacks yet.

An eyewitness at the Inland Regional Center, where gunmen killed 14 and wounded at least 18 more, told police he saw a man leaving a meeting of county employees this morning, looking nervous. Poice officers named Syed Farook as that man in their radio communications. At approximately 11 a.m., at least two people entered the center and opened fire.

Farook was a business taxes representative for the California State Board of Equalization, according to his LinkedIn profile. He is a 2003 graduate La Sierra High School, and most recently studied finance at California State University Fullerton until 2013.

Records show Farook bought a two bedroom Corona home in March 2014. Farouk’s social media profile shows he is married and has at least one young child. His wife did not return messages left on Wednesday.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html