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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:41 PM Dec 2015

Will Jihadists legally buying guns be a game-changer in the gun control debate?

I'm not holding my breath as I really thought Sandy Hook would change the debate but was sadly wrong. Obviously there cannot be a religious test for buying firearms (and I assume that a "no gun" list akin to the "no fly" list would be struck down on Second Amendment grounds). But you would think that Wayne LaPierre will at least be made to squirm by defending the right of Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik to legally buy semiautomatic weapons.

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Will Jihadists legally buying guns be a game-changer in the gun control debate? (Original Post) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 OP
Scary people and bad guys (you know, dark skinned Americans) have guns. The answer? MORE GUNS! Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #1
Listening to their responses to preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns. No. bklyncowgirl Dec 2015 #2
Was Syed Rizwan Farook on the terrorist watchlist? EL34x4 Dec 2015 #3
So you support the right of persons on the no fly list to buy weapons? bklyncowgirl Dec 2015 #9
I support people being placed on "no fly" lists EL34x4 Dec 2015 #11
Neither am I. There should be due process and there must be an appeal process. bklyncowgirl Dec 2015 #12
Saudi Arabia? Our staunch and wonderful ally Saudi Arabia? KamaAina Dec 2015 #14
In a word "no" Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #4
Nope. maxsolomon Dec 2015 #5
If Sandy Hook couldn't change the game, nothing will ecstatic Dec 2015 #6
No awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #7
Nope. pinstikfartherin Dec 2015 #8
Nope. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #10
Nope... TipTok Dec 2015 #13
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. Scary people and bad guys (you know, dark skinned Americans) have guns. The answer? MORE GUNS!
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:45 PM
Dec 2015

This will change nothing except increase gun sales again.

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ON EDIT: This will not turn out as the knuckledraggers predict. More and more of "scary" people are arming themselves to protect themselves from "people who hate us." When everyone is armed to the teeth, this can only go one way.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
2. Listening to their responses to preventing people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns. No.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:54 PM
Dec 2015

In a sane world yes but we are not living in rational times.

Their excuses are ridiculous. Oh the watch list is often wrong, why should be prevent someone from exercising their rights just because the GOVERNMENT thinks they are terrorists. These people can't get on a plane but they can go out and buy unlimited amounts of guns and ammunition. It makes no sense.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
3. Was Syed Rizwan Farook on the terrorist watchlist?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:20 PM
Dec 2015

If so, it didn't prevent him from flying to Saudi Arabia recently and returning with his wife.

Be careful what you wish for. The Right will go along with this gun control effort if they're allowed to put every last single Muslim in America on the terrorist watchlist, something Donald Trump is probably already thinking about.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
9. So you support the right of persons on the no fly list to buy weapons?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:43 PM
Dec 2015

A person can't get on an airplane but they can by unlimited amounts of deadly weapons and ammunition. Really?

Your argument that every Muslim in America will be placed on the terrorist watch list is slippery slope thinking at the worst. Yes, it could happen, anything is possible but we are talking about millions of people. It is highly unlikely.

It seems to me that every time one of these shootings happens 2nd Amendment supporters chime in with "oh that wouldn't have stopped this PARTICULAR shooter--except of course when a proper background check would have at least made it more difficult for the shooter to acquire weapons such as in the case of the Charleston shooter.

Well why should we make it easy for terrorists, criminals, religious wackos and garden variety spouse abusers to get weapons?

Background checks at the most are a minor inconvenience for honest citizens and gun dealers. Why

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
11. I support people being placed on "no fly" lists
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:56 PM
Dec 2015

After due process has taken place and where the person being placed on this list has the right to appeal it. And after this due process has occurred, being on a government "no fly" list can become a prohibitive factor added to the 4473 form to transfer a firearm.

I'm not a big fan of secret lists.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
12. Neither am I. There should be due process and there must be an appeal process.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:09 PM
Dec 2015

I think we can agree on that. Until these reforms are made, I am still against these people being allowed to buy weapons just as a precaution.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
14. Saudi Arabia? Our staunch and wonderful ally Saudi Arabia?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:23 PM
Dec 2015


That's where this guy supposedly got radicalized? Hmmmmm.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
5. Nope.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:27 PM
Dec 2015

Unless there will be discriminatory laws targeting Muslims, which I wouldn't put past a GOP Administration.

Hell in a handcart.

pinstikfartherin

(500 posts)
8. Nope.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:39 PM
Dec 2015

Carly has already said that people on the terror watch list shouldn't be banned from buying guns. That tells you all you need to know.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
13. Nope...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

Rightly so... The fear of terrorism, specifically the Islamic variant, already drives too much of our policy.

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