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[darkangel218]

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[KamaAina]

1. Is pepper spray legal in your former country?

There are ways to defend yourself other than guns.

[darkangel218]

2. Pepper spray does nothing against someone who is much stronger than you,

And armed. ( with a knife, in my situation). You would have to be close to the person to pepper spray them. That won't work in a home invasion.

And no, it wasn't legal.

On edit, I carry both a firearm and a pepper spray.

[PeaceNikki]

3. Carrying a weapon makes you LESS safe, not more.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2013/mar/25/guns-protection-national-rifle-association
"...those with firearms were about 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those who did not carry"

http://www.examiner.com/article/possessing-a-gun-makes-you-less-safe-not-more-safe

[mmonk]

7. 4.5 percent more likely to be shot.

Very minimal. Then you have to extrapolate how many rapists carry guns in her case. Then the chances she would get shot are reduced more.

[PeaceNikki]

8. 4.5 times. That's 450% more likely

[mmonk]

10. Yes, my bad. 4.5 times more likely.

Still minimal in her case.

[lumberjack_jeff]

12. No, 4.5 *times* or 450% as likely.

Academics such as John Lott and Gary Kleck have long claimed that more firearms reduce crime. But is this really the case? Stripped of machismo bluster, this is at heart a testable claim that merely requires sturdy epidemiological analysis. And this was precisely what Prof Charles Branas and his colleagues at the University of Pennsylvania examined in their 2009 paper investigating the link between gun possession and gun assault. They compared 677 cases in which people were injured in a shooting incident with 684 people living in the same area that had not suffered a gun injury. The researchers matched these "controls" for age, race and gender. They found that those with firearms were about 4.5 times more likely to be shot than those who did not carry, utterly belying this oft repeated mantra.

The only reasonable criticism of this finding is "correlation not causation" the argument that people who carry are more likely to live and work in dangerous situations - they may be more vulnerable due to other factors.

Disclosure: I have a couple of guns, but I think that being a gun nut is unhealthy on a number of levels.

[mmonk]

17. Yes, see my reply 10.

I'm not a gun advocate but do own 2, a rifle and a shotgun. No hand guns.

[darkangel218]

14. What about the chances to survive a home invasion?

Do you have the stats on that?

[PeaceNikki]

23. There are stats on that, yes.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/are-you-safer-owning-a-gun-for-home-protection-b9912440z1-207958831.html

In a 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study, he pointed out that there is a better chance that the gun meant for protection will be used in domestic violence, suicide or to injure a child.

"Believe me when I tell you this. The victims are not the bad guys. It's usually someone that the owner of the gun cares about," he said. "My research showed that a gun owner was 43 times more likely to shoot and kill a family member than that he'd shoot and kill anybody else."

We know that too many young people accidentally get their hands on guns. Here's a sampling from the past two months:

■ On April, 30, a 5-year-old Kentucky boy killed his 2-year-old sister with a child-sized rifle he got for his birthday.

■ On April, 22, an 11-year-old Delaware boy shot his 7-year-old brother with a 9 mm handgun they found in a home.

■ In March, a 12-year-old Florida boy shot and killed his 16-year-old brother in their home. That shooting came a week after a 4-year-old Orlando boy shot himself in the face in a condominium where he lived.

It would be easy to cite negligence on the gun owner's part for not locking these weapons up. But I still remember what I was told when I purchased my first gun. The seller advised me to keep the gun loaded and in a place I could easily retrieve it if needed.

[darkangel218]

24. I still don't see the stats on home invasions.But OK.

How do you feel about what that poster said to me though??

[virginia mountainman]

4. Makes me sick too

They are speaking before they think.it is the only thing I can think of.

I have a feeling we are doomed this election year, all this talk of cofiscation, it the false-consensus effect in motion.

They really belive they are mainstream with that crap they are shoveling. They are in for a very rude awakning.

I am sorry in there rush too disarm us, that they simply don't care who they hurt.

[darkangel218]

11. Ty. :(

For context, this is one of the most recent replies I received so far, telling me that I "bloodlust" because k said that I would defend myself if attacked again

[IMG][/IMG]

[beevul]

20. That belongs in some sort of 'hall of shame'.

Its that disgusting...No...its worse.


Truly vomit worthy.

[darkangel218]

21. I wish I hadn't deleted my post.

All I said was that I "disagreed with their POV, and that as a rape victim I will defend myself in the future and won't let it happen again."
That earned me a " bloodlust " emblema.

This is so sick

[merrily]

5. I am so, so very sorry for what happened to you.

[Sherman A1]

9. Precisely

I too am very sorry for what has happened to you and understand your viewpoint on gun ownership. We may not completely agree on the topic, however we may not completely disagree.

[darkangel218]

13. Ty, Merrily

[merrily]

18. Anytime at all.

[B Calm]

6. Defense or Defence?

I always thought it was spelled defense?

[SwissTony]

16. US/UK difference? n/t

[justiceischeap]

19. When you see "defence" you can tell right away that the person isn't speaking American English

it's a dead giveaway.

[petronius]

22. I have a tendency to initially spell it with a 'c,' despite being a native speaker

of American English. Probably because I've watched too many football games...

[ileus]

15. The good news is for now you still have your right to defend yourself

with a firearm....


Help keep a progressive stance on the 2A.

[darkangel218]

25. They will never be able to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It just won't happen.