Anti- Muslim Backlash

[Dirty Socialist]

I checked some major internet message boards and there is a LOT of anti-Muslim sentiment being post d. Some are calling on closing America's mosques, and many are advocating a database. Could it be true sentiment or paid trolls? I am not sure.

[philosslayer]

1. You can read that stuff right here on DU.

France is closing Mosques, and many here are nodding their heads in vigorous agreement.

[snooper2]

3. What do you do when fundies preach the words of their holy book that says kill infidels

day in and day out to impressionable youth? As those infidels are walking up and down the sidewalk outside?


on second thought...you may be right...

They are probably just yapping it up and really don't believe what they are preaching. We should just let everyone be!

[Igel]

13. Hate-filled speech never incites any but the emotionally unstable to violence.

So you can never blame the hate-filled speech or those who spout it.

Unless they're right-wing, in which case hate-filled speech absolutely incites people and should be banned because it encourages the weak-willed and mentally unstable to commit violence.

When it's Dear, we lament the urge to find mental illness and decry the earliest, most preliminary suggestions that mental illness might be a mitigating factor.

When it's somebody from a group we hold dear, we lament any reluctance to hesitate in finding mental illness, and if the early preliminary suggestions that mental illness might be a mitigating factor we scream oppression and ethnocentrism and demand to know why it hasn't already not only been suggested, but accepted as a sufficient explanation.

[Tommy2Tone]

6. In fairness France is closing Mosques that have become radicalized. nt

[philosslayer]

8. So tell me....how we do determine if a Mosque has been "radicalized"?

Do we monitor them? Bug them perhaps? This is a slippery slope with tons of constitutional implications, but many on this board just think its a peachy idea.

[Tommy2Tone]

12. I would hope they have a reason and not just being vindictive?

[hifiguy]

16. If they are promulgating a doctrine that says

"kill the infidels" that just might be a clue.

[Yo_Mama]

17. You could just send people in, and if they are preaching "shoot the kuffir", then ...

But in most cases they seem to be focusing on the ones that have been a conduit for money/arms etc. Not just violent rhetoric.

[philosslayer]

19. So you are proposing surveillance of religious facilities

How progressive.

[Yo_Mama]

23. France has thousands of soldiers all over the country, just patrolling.

Under those circumstances, what is "progressive" may change.

I already posted that I don't think any of this is needed here, although if the US agencies dealing with terrorism find connections to a certain mosque or persons within it, you better believe they will send people in.

I have the impression that US Muslims have very actively ejected radicals from their own mosques!

[flamingdem]

7. Maybe they know what they're doing

They are also accepting 30000 Syrian refugees.

[BeyondGeography]

10. A state's first duty is to protect its citizens

Or maybe you'd prefer a left-wing gov't do nothing and open the door for Marine LePen.

[Yo_Mama]

15. It's not closing them all - just the ones that have been associated with violence.

I don't advocate it here. But the position France is in is very difficult. If we had to have the military out all over the country guarding things and even streets, we'd be forced to unpleasant measures too.

[kentuck]

2. It's been here for a while...

Remember the reaction to the "Clock Boy" from Texas?

[sibelian]

4. True sentiment, I'd imagine.

It's certainly true where I come from.

Hey you wanna see how Europe feels? Go check out any of the Youtube videos on Islam and look at the comments, particulary look at the "like" ratings. Europeans are become somewhat bellicose on the subject of that religion.

[flamingdem]

5. Todd and Mitchell just blamed the liberals for prayer shaming

and then talked about the "parties" implying that the Democrats are prayer shaming and that "Both parties are dysfunctinal". They're not fricking helping with statements like that.

In fact the Daily News in NY did a prayer commentary, did any liberals or democrats?

[hifiguy]

18. They are spouting the propaganda they are instructed

and paid to catapult. As usual.

[hrmjustin]

9. Islamaphobia is alive and well in this country.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. It's the way Americans think. Just read some of the stuff here. The PP shooter

wasn't 'radicalized', he was mentally ill. And of course, there's no white American with a 1,000 rounds of ammo at home. But if somebody's a Muslim, there's no end to how we should handle it. We don't know, but maybe the SB shooter heard all that hatred every day at work and finally 'snapped'. They've already said that all the guns and ammo were legal.

[hifiguy]

20. The PP shooter was roundly and loudly denounced

as a "christian terrorist" on this site. Repeatedly.

Some people's minds are so open their brains have leaked out their ears.

[Igel]

21. Many of them are radicalized.

When it comes to the idea of racial conflict, we term such radicalized folk "skin-heads" or the "KKK."

We try to call it mental illness, but to shame, ridicule, and possibly restrict their rights. Not to exculpate and mitigate their vitriol. Seldom do we hear when there's some KKKer with an arms stash the defense that "all his guns and ammo were legal." We preach fear of such folk. No shred of sympathy there in the least; in fact, often there's gloating that societal change has made such cretins and neandertals worry and go all paranoid.

We still have a stark asymmetry in how we talk about the two kinds of groups. One we insist we understand, refrain from judging, and protect in some way. The other--the one we think of as personal enemies--we insist on shaming, ridiculing, and even try to criminalize their very attitudes and unsocial (as opposed to violent) behavior.

[hifiguy]

24. Agreed.

Xtian nuts are roundly denounced here, and rightly so. Muslims are given a pass for the very same things, especially the misogynistic elements of the "belief system."

The hypocrisy is absolutely nauseating.

[Marrah_G]

14. it's real...even politicians say it

People are stressed from the economy and the wars and this crap gives them someone to blame their fears on.

[Glassunion]

22. Where is all of the young white male backlash?

They do the lion's share of this shit?