Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:17 AM

TeddyR (2,493 posts)

Senate Refuses to Act on Modest Gun Control Measures

The senate couldn't even get enough votes yesterday to add modest gun control measures (like UBCs) to a Republican bill. In other words, nothing is going to get done. There are some overwhelmingly popular proposals, like UBCs, and I really cannot understand why those aren't getting passed, other than that our elected representatives are failing to do what we hired them to do and are instead cowing to the NRA. On the other hand, there are some states where gun control is a losing issue. Heidi Heitkamp (D - ND) voted against yesterday's gun control proposals. I don't imagine gun control is particularly popular in North Dakota, and her grip on her seat probably too tenuous to survive a vote in favor of gun control.

From the article:

The Senate on Thursday voted down two gun control proposals put forward by Democrats in response to this week’s deadly shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., in a series of votes that highlighted the intractable party divide over how to respond to gun violence.

The Senate rejected a measure from Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to expand background checks for guns purchased online and at gun shows on a 48 to 50 vote and an amendment from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) to prevent individuals on the terror watch list from purchasing firearms on a 45 to 54 vote. The amendments were offered to an Obamacare repeal package currently being debated in the Senate and they needed 60 votes to be adopted.

Feinstein’s amendment was identical to legislation she previously filed on the same topic, while the expansion of background checks for gun purchases mirrored language championed by Sens. Manchin and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) in 2013, following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School three years ago this month.

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Senate Refuses to Act on Modest Gun Control Measures (Original post)	TeddyR	Dec 2015	OP
untill someone goes in and shoots up congress, nothing will change.	Javaman	Dec 2015	#1
It just may take something as horrible as that to wake the GOP up.	riversedge	Dec 2015	#15
neither do I, but we live in reactionary times.	Javaman	Dec 2015	#34
Oh those vile fucks are in NO danger, at all. They make sure of that.	randys1	Dec 2015	#26
and you are right, that's why nothing will be done.	Javaman	Dec 2015	#35
It happened in 1954. Puerto Rican separatists.	Recursion	Dec 2015	#51
The reason is pretty simple on UBCs	pipoman	Dec 2015	#2
I don't know where you got your Constitutional Law Degree, but I got mine at	flamin lib	Dec 2015	#9
it makes a pretty good excuse, tho	librechik	Dec 2015	#11
Firearms are constitutionally protected whether we like it or not	pipoman	Dec 2015	#12
And the necessary and proper clause has been coupled to the interstate commerce	flamin lib	Dec 2015	#14
What would motivate exempting background checks since 1993	pipoman	Dec 2015	#19
What would motivate exempting the gun industry from consumer protection laws?	flamin lib	Dec 2015	#20
Well..	pipoman	Dec 2015	#22
I beg your pardon sir.	flamin lib	Dec 2015	#23
no	melm00se	Dec 2015	#24
Jaguar has made a new passenger car for sale	randys1	Dec 2015	#32
Jaguar cannot make that product for sale to the public...next false equivalency?	pipoman	Dec 2015	#43
How do you know they cant make a car that has a legal gun attached to it in such	randys1	Dec 2015	#44
Oh I got the false equivalency	pipoman	Dec 2015	#45
Yep, 2nd Am is in plain english and clearly provides for gunz ONLY in well regualated	randys1	Dec 2015	#46
Just not according to most who understand the text and	pipoman	Dec 2015	#47
No, the people can have guns to support a militia if needed	aikoaiko	Dec 2015	#56
See above, you've been lied to avout what Bernie and several other Democrats voted for...	pipoman	Dec 2015	#25
Dems should keep bringing up the anti-terrorist bill just like Republicans bring up Obamacare	world wide wally	Dec 2015	#3
Exactly!!! The dems need to kick the republicans around as they do to the democrats. n/t	RKP5637	Dec 2015	#5
online guns still have to be shipped to an FFL.	ileus	Dec 2015	#4
Only if crossing a state line	dumbcat	Dec 2015	#10
the majority leader of the senate must be obeyed......	spanone	Dec 2015	#6
The Terrorist Screening Center can place anyone...	meaculpa2011	Dec 2015	#7
Just the guns ^	world wide wally	Dec 2015	#8
Nothing in the bill of rights is absolute.	flamin lib	Dec 2015	#13
Show me the appeal process for the terror watch list	Lee-Lee	Dec 2015	#21
Exactly	MGMT	Dec 2015	#28
None of those proposals would have stopped any of the mass killers	davidn3600	Dec 2015	#16
.....	bigwillq	Dec 2015	#27
If they didn't care after 20 children were massacred, why would they care now?	Rex	Dec 2015	#17
they are on the n.r.a. payroll	spanone	Dec 2015	#58
This country is seriously effed up.	smirkymonkey	Dec 2015	#18
If Joe Manchin proposed it.....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Dec 2015	#29
we need new congresspeople who are unowned	restorefreedom	Dec 2015	#30
They're arming Isis followers and	octoberlib	Dec 2015	#31
exactly-- the GOP is clearly openly on the side of arming terrorists. Freaking insane that people	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#38
Is this a gloat, Teddy?	Squinch	Dec 2015	#33
Not at all	TeddyR	Dec 2015	#39
"The amendments were offered to an Obamacare repeal package currently being debated..."	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2015	#36
I don't perceive accurately illustrating the GOP maintaining a double-standard	LanternWaste	Dec 2015	#41
I don't honestly think the specific issue matters much to me.	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2015	#42
Why don't you care about the rejection of simple and common sense	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#49
Planted axiom.	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2015	#50
so you do care, right?	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#54
Yep.	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2015	#59
ok, thanks-- I generally agree	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#60
This has me disgusted beyond belief	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#37
Not surprising, it sort of makes sense	One_Life_To_Give	Dec 2015	#40
I still feel obliged to point out that the GOP is favor of giving guns to terrorists in the US	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#48
You are SO wrong!	tazkcmo	Dec 2015	#53
my bad, thanks for the correction	Fast Walker 52	Dec 2015	#55
Totally disgusting. Let's clean house next year. Even in Texas.	northoftheborder	Dec 2015	#52
Why propose antigun legislation that would not have stopped these murders	aikoaiko	Dec 2015	#57

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:29 AM

Javaman (60,991 posts)

1. untill someone goes in and shoots up congress, nothing will change.

like climate change, until congress is walking around in hip waders, nothing will change.

Senate Refuses to Act on Modest Gun Control Measures

1. untill someone goes in and shoots up congress, nothing will change.

15. It just may take something as horrible as that to wake the GOP up.

34. neither do I, but we live in reactionary times.

26. Oh those vile fucks are in NO danger, at all. They make sure of that.

35. and you are right, that's why nothing will be done.

51. It happened in 1954. Puerto Rican separatists.

2. The reason is pretty simple on UBCs

9. I don't know where you got your Constitutional Law Degree, but I got mine at

11. it makes a pretty good excuse, tho

12. Firearms are constitutionally protected whether we like it or not

14. And the necessary and proper clause has been coupled to the interstate commerce

19. What would motivate exempting background checks since 1993

20. What would motivate exempting the gun industry from consumer protection laws?

22. Well..

23. I beg your pardon sir.

24. no

32. Jaguar has made a new passenger car for sale

43. Jaguar cannot make that product for sale to the public...next false equivalency?

44. How do you know they cant make a car that has a legal gun attached to it in such

45. Oh I got the false equivalency

46. Yep, 2nd Am is in plain english and clearly provides for gunz ONLY in well regualated

47. Just not according to most who understand the text and

56. No, the people can have guns to support a militia if needed

25. See above, you've been lied to avout what Bernie and several other Democrats voted for...

3. Dems should keep bringing up the anti-terrorist bill just like Republicans bring up Obamacare

5. Exactly!!! The dems need to kick the republicans around as they do to the democrats. n/t

4. online guns still have to be shipped to an FFL.

10. Only if crossing a state line

6. the majority leader of the senate must be obeyed......

7. The Terrorist Screening Center can place anyone...

8. Just the guns ^

13. Nothing in the bill of rights is absolute.

21. Show me the appeal process for the terror watch list

28. Exactly

16. None of those proposals would have stopped any of the mass killers

27. .....

17. If they didn't care after 20 children were massacred, why would they care now?

58. they are on the n.r.a. payroll

18. This country is seriously effed up.

29. If Joe Manchin proposed it.....

30. we need new congresspeople who are unowned

31. They're arming Isis followers and

38. exactly-- the GOP is clearly openly on the side of arming terrorists. Freaking insane that people

33. Is this a gloat, Teddy?

39. Not at all

36. "The amendments were offered to an Obamacare repeal package currently being debated..."

41. I don't perceive accurately illustrating the GOP maintaining a double-standard

42. I don't honestly think the specific issue matters much to me.

49. Why don't you care about the rejection of simple and common sense

50. Planted axiom.

54. so you do care, right?

59. Yep.

60. ok, thanks-- I generally agree

37. This has me disgusted beyond belief

40. Not surprising, it sort of makes sense

48. I still feel obliged to point out that the GOP is favor of giving guns to terrorists in the US

53. You are SO wrong!

55. my bad, thanks for the correction

52. Totally disgusting. Let's clean house next year. Even in Texas.

57. Why propose antigun legislation that would not have stopped these murders