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Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:09 PM

 

Ohio Community Lives in Fear as Rifle-Toting White Man Stalks Black Neighborhoods With Impunity

Ohio Community Lives in Fear as Rifle-Toting White Man Stalks Black Neighborhoods With Impunity
Police say the state’s gun laws have tied their hands despite complaints.

By Tom Boggioni / Raw Story December 5, 2015


A 25-year-old white man got into an altercation with the black owner of a barbershop on Thursday who objected to him stalking predominantly black neighborhoods carrying a rifle slung across his back, reports Cleveland.com.

Saying he has a right under Ohio’s open carry laws to parade about town carrying his gun, Daniel Kovacevic, 25, has been stopped by police multiple times — including near the University of Akron — but police say the state’s gun laws have tied their hands despite citizen complaints.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/ohio-community-lives-fear-rifle-toting-white-man-stalks-black-neighborhoods-impunity

This racist gun humper has the right under law to terrorize this neighborhood any time he wants to legally!

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Reply Ohio Community Lives in Fear as Rifle-Toting White Man Stalks Black Neighborhoods With Impunity (Original post)
workinclasszero Dec 2015 OP
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #1
Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #2
sharp_stick Dec 2015 #23
Volaris Dec 2015 #44
peacebird Dec 2015 #67
sharp_stick Dec 2015 #83
Hoyt Dec 2015 #49
Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #62
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #64
Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #70
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #76
Octafish Dec 2015 #3
11 Bravo Dec 2015 #12
Enthusiast Dec 2015 #54
mountain grammy Dec 2015 #19
hunter Dec 2015 #20
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #25
Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #36
Live and Learn Dec 2015 #68
valerief Dec 2015 #69
rocktivity Dec 2015 #4
lark Dec 2015 #32
Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #63
Paladin Dec 2015 #5
2naSalit Dec 2015 #24
jmowreader Dec 2015 #52
2naSalit Dec 2015 #59
DLevine Dec 2015 #6
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #8
randys1 Dec 2015 #10
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #11
randys1 Dec 2015 #13
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #14
randys1 Dec 2015 #15
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #16
intersectionality Dec 2015 #41
Old Codger Dec 2015 #53
MH1 Dec 2015 #29
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #35
7962 Dec 2015 #48
2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #7
2naSalit Dec 2015 #27
salin Dec 2015 #46
randys1 Dec 2015 #9
2naSalit Dec 2015 #28
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #31
7962 Dec 2015 #51
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #58
TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #17
DFW Dec 2015 #18
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #34
blm Dec 2015 #45
narnian60 Dec 2015 #21
world wide wally Dec 2015 #22
arcane1 Dec 2015 #37
world wide wally Dec 2015 #38
navarth Dec 2015 #26
packman Dec 2015 #30
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TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #39
SunSeeker Dec 2015 #40
thelordofhell Dec 2015 #42
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tclambert Dec 2015 #74
DocMac Dec 2015 #43
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #47
MrScorpio Dec 2015 #50
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #56
perdita9 Dec 2015 #55
Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #57
Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #61
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #66
Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #71
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #79
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Logical Dec 2015 #78
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #65
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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:12 PM

1. what an idiot

 

He does the RKBA side no good at at all and I am glad to condemn him strongly

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:14 PM

2. He is more than an idiot. He is a racist.

He knows that he can't do this in a predominately white community.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:20 PM

23. He probably can

but I'd like to arm 10 or 20 black guys and have them wander around this fuckwits neighborhood.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:52 PM

44. There would be 10 to 20 armed terrorists dead at the hands of police officers

Duty bound to shoot to kill.

If roles were reversed and this man were black in a white neighborhood, the cops would have shot him dead already.
Hands tied, my ass.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:48 PM

67. Exactly.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:12 PM

83. You're probably right

They would need a media posse and as many supporters as possible.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:12 PM

49. Unfortunately, it's not like he's the only white wing racist into gunz and intimidation.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:40 PM

62. It's the law that's an idiot.

His actions are simply pointing up just how idiotic it is.

What harm do you think he could possibly do to the RKBA side that Newtown and San Bernardino, and all the other massacres haven't already managed?

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:43 PM

64. they a broke existing laws on murder

 

Just like a drunk driver who kills breaks existing laws on that. To openly provoke for a reaction and publicity like what he is doing does not help

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #64)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:52 PM

70. Maybe it will help...

to move towards reining in the wackos.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #70)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:29 PM

76. hopefully

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:16 PM

3. Good thing he's not a Black child with a toy gun.

Ohio cops shoot them on sight.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:33 PM

12. My very first thought. A 13 year old black kid was mortally ...

wounded two fucking seconds after an Ohio cop pulled up beside the child and his toy gun.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:21 PM

54. But that was different.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:03 PM

19. Exactly what I was thinking..

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:11 PM

20. Yep.



This is exactly the sort of fool who shouldn't be allowed to play with guns.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:20 PM

25. Bingo!

 

I was thinking the same thing.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:27 PM

36. exactly.

 

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:51 PM

68. +10,000 nt

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:52 PM

69. Bingo!!! nt

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:17 PM

4. Then let get some open-carrying black youths to start following him around

Just to help him keep black neighborhoods "safe."


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:25 PM

32. Only if you want the black kids killed.

Only white men are allowed to safely (for them) play with guns out in the open.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:43 PM

63. He'd kill them and get off

because he "felt that his life was in danger".

That's how the game is rigged.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:19 PM

5. Open carry is the ultimate example of White Privilege.

Future generations will look back on current gun practices and just shake their heads......

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Response to Paladin (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:20 PM

24. I think it kind of plays into or

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perhaps demonstrates the strength of an American cultural myth. Everybody knows about the wild west of the 19th up to mid 20th - at least - century America and how cowboys wore pistols on their hips and gentlemen had theirs tuck away somewhere and as the film industry glorifies, shootings could take place anytime anywhere... it was presented as normal and often solved a perceived problem sans negotiation attempts.

In some social groups, the idea of keeping that mythic time and place alive yet applied to the 21st century world is their mission in life. Complete with the disfranchisement of all but white landholders in all ways, equality was not a forward concept and as is now, little anticipation of justice of any kind. This is what our political opposition is fighting for.

It would be nice if future generations could look back and call this time and our most immediate future, and proclaim a new awakening in humanity that benefited all life on the planet.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:20 PM

52. Except that Wild West never really existed, did it?

When a gun-toting cowboy came to town, the first thing he had to do was to visit the police station and check his gun, just like a 21st-century person checks his coat at a nightclub.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #52)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:27 PM

59. Indeed

I left that part out, mistakenly - I intended to mention that part because that whole myth was fabricated for entertainment and profit. And for lack of factual evidence, most believed it and many wish to emulate that which the myth presents.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:21 PM

6. Should be illegal. WTF is wrong with this country?

Fucking insane. Which reminds me, fuck the NRA.

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Response to DLevine (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:25 PM

8. needs to be a local or state law

 

They need to do it due to 10th amendment issues. Stopping this would be perfectly legal if done that way.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:28 PM

10. What kind of law are you thinking about?

I ask for two reasons, one is I am thinking of trying to do a thread to bring gun advocates and regulation advocates together, but in this instance?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:30 PM

11. just the type of behavior this person is doing

 

Illegal to openly carry a long gun if it is not in some kind of case and unloaded.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:33 PM

13. So are open carry laws different in different jurisdictions throughout the nation?

Is that illegal in one place and legal in another?

Is it usually legal to open carry loaded hand guns but not long rifles?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:35 PM

14. it's a state and local issue

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:37 PM

15. Aware of that, I guess I am asking what is the norm, is it normal in most places that you cant

carry a loaded long rifle but you can a loaded handgun under open carry?

I dont expect anyone here to know that, so many jurisdictions to deal with, but I am asking just in case

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Response to randys1 (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:40 PM

16. I have no idea either

 

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Response to randys1 (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:40 PM

41. I moved to NYC

Partially because the laws around guns and other stupid shit are geared towards safe communities and not individual freedom. After Texas for 25 years finally being in a place that cares about their citizens beyond their economic production or immigrant status is refreshing

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:24 PM

29. In some states it is ONLY a state issue.

Such as PA, last I heard. Because state laws prohibit the implementation of almost any other gun control at the local level. (Although I do know some municipalities have tried, so maybe there's loopholes.)

You probably know that but I am adding it for information of other readers.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:27 PM

35. yes indeed

 

That is why I said state and local. And the state preemption can be good and bad. Very good when used against pro life abortion laws by city's that the state can preempt.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:05 PM

48. I've always thought carrying openly is stupid anyway.

 

Why advertise what you have? If someone DOES want to mess with you the FIRST thing they'll do is go for the gun! Look at this guy; its slung across his back. Easy target from the back. Slit the strap & now guess who is armed?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:23 PM

7. this is pure bullshit

 

another Zimmerman wanna be. Just the fact that he is doing to instill fear and supremacy should make it illegal.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:23 PM

27. Exactly! nt

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:53 PM

46. What do we call it when people try to instill terror in others?

hmmmm.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:26 PM

9. Two issues here, the obvious problem with our gun situation, but if he was Black he would have

been shot dead 76 times by now.

To me this is the bigger issue, the racism that allows a white guy to do this but would certainly be a dead guy if he was Black.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:23 PM

28. YES! nt

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Response to randys1 (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:25 PM

31. Maybe a group of black folks there should announce to the media and cops

 

that they will be walking through the richest and whitest neighborhood in the area open carrying fully locked and loaded assault weapons and see what happens?


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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:17 PM

51. Thats exactly what they should do. In exactly the same manner.

 

Make sure they have legal weapons and whatever licenses are required and a truckload of media.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:26 PM

58. Exactly

 

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The reason these laws are passed is white privilege use them as a weapon against PoC.

If PoC took to the white streets doing the same maybe the laws would get changed.

But for God's sake have tons on news media and cameras with you.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:54 PM

17. Idiot. Idiot. Idiot.

RACIST IDIOT.

There oughta' be a law against doing this. He's obviously trying to terrorize these people.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:55 PM

18. THIS is what you call "State-sponsored terrorism"

State of Ohio, State of Oklahoma, State of Texas, State of South Carolina..............

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Response to DFW (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:27 PM

34. "State-sponsored terrorism" is exactly what it is!

 

This is teabagger terrorism of peaceful citizens!

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Response to DFW (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:52 PM

45. exactly...state-sponsored apocalyptic worldview hoping to trigger race wars and

end of times.

Not really much different than the terror of Daesh and its parallel on so many levels worldview.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:15 PM

21. Living here in Texas,

I wonder when I'm going to see something like this and what my reaction will be other than

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:16 PM

22. At the Colorado Springs Halloween shootings, police were notified about this guy walking down the

street with a rifle and they didn't respond until AFTER he had shot 3 people because it was "legal" there too

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:32 PM

37. Yep, they were actually FORBIDDEN to do anything until he shot someone.

 

We're living in crazy-town USA

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:36 PM

38. That should make all those 2A'ers out there happy.

What are 3 or 4 lives compared to being able to walk down a city street with an assault weapon?
Right, Uncle Ben.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:22 PM

26. He's asking for it.

I hope he doesn't take down any innocents when he gets it.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:24 PM

30. I know it's a tightrope that ass is walking

But it is just these type of things that MAY get some gun laws changed. I just wish he'd do his walking in front of the state house.

By the way, did you get in the article where the black man and the ass were in an oral match-up that the ONLY question the gun-wacker asked the black barbershop owner was if he was a Christian?

Scary shit.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:26 PM

33. If he is terrorizing the neighborhood, why can't they get him for disturbing the peace.

If he has no business in those areas, other than to strike fear into the citizens who live there, to me that is disturbing the peace. He is actively taunting and stalking the neighborhood.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:38 PM

39. Can you imagine if a black man did this in a white neighborhood?

I'm beginning to believe these ridiculous gun laws are about more than just pandering to their constituents (gun nuts/manufacturers ). It's almost like they're promoting social unrest, but I may be a little paranoid.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:40 PM

40. Terrorist. nt

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:50 PM

42. White vs Black.......Open Carry

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:29 PM

60. This illustrates the problem is a result of racial bias.

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:10 PM

74. The comments say he is Hispanic and Filipino, but can be mistaken for a light-skinned black man.

Still, this experiment risked his life. Not only might the cops shoot him, they might gin up some fake charge to post-justify their actions and throw him in prison for nothing. Recording them and talking back about your rights? You know that infuriates some officers.



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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:51 PM

43. All the neighbors should cut out some

cardboard bear traps, paint them black, and put them on the sidewalks.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:03 PM

47. On the bright side, he's proving the black neighborhoods aren't the gangland hell as is claimed....

 

I've mentioned that when it comes to Ferguson too.

The cops act like they are going into a war zone when they go into a black neighborhood but this raises the question: When have ANY of them ever been under fire in a black neighborhood? They make it sound like there are guns shooting at them from every window.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:15 PM

50. Par for the course, in America.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:23 PM

56. Black kid with toy gun on the street

 

Cop response: instant death

Fully armed white male with assault rifle walking in black neighborhood.

Cop response: Gee we cant do a thing about it

Nothing to see here folks......

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:21 PM

55. Freedom to terrorize at will

That's what the NRA stands for

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:25 PM

57. Holy shit, Daniel needs something better to do with his life, what a messed up way to live.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:34 PM

61. So he's just exercizing his civil liberties, so no one should be complaining about this.

Let a black man stalk a white neighborhood toting the same weapon though, and the state authorities will be singing a different tune, I'd be willing to bet.

I'm wondering how the Gungeoneers are going to justify this one.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:46 PM

66. as I have seen on many threads like this

 

RKBA supporters here on DU do not support this and most often condemn this idiotic behavior, like I have. Of course we are never given any credit for that.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #66)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:56 PM

71. They condemn the behavior (usually).

I don't see them condemning the laws that permit the behavior.

And in fact, I often see posts mocking people for feeling intimidated or scarred when they encounter this sort of behavior, and ridiculing the notion that they might want to call the police.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:33 PM

79. not mocking

 

Just pointing out that u Der the law it is legal and that some who advocate calling police on a person with a holstered or slung weapon that is not carried in a threatening Manor but lying to the dispatcher is wrong. That gets kids killed in Walmart.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:12 PM

86. Maybe not from you, but I certainly see it from others.

And no. I don't book mark every single wacko post that I see here.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #66)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:32 PM

78. Many CC license holders think Open Carry is stupid. I 100% agree. nt

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:43 PM

65. Maybe this reich wing NRA lover needs an armed escort every time he shows his face in that neighborhood

 

Like back in the day...


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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:05 PM

72. Here's my question

 

Why hasn't he been arrested for something?

If it were a black man in a white neighborhood, they'd find something to arrest him for.

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Response to Lazy Daisy (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:20 PM

85. Menacing would be a good place to start.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:09 PM

73. Only patrolling in daylight?

where it is relatively safe for himself?

Or has he been offering protective escort at night for the good folks who live there?

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:11 PM

75. Naked Grandmas

Another perfect opportunity to shame, humiliate, and bug the crap out of the wingers. A platoon of naked Grandmas following this turd around while handing out cookies would be more than the media could ignore. Plus nipples and vaginas to shock and awe our Chreestshun children to boot. Don't care if they live there or are bused in or just passing by, old naked people have a power that cannot be stopped. Then we get Joffrey-Cruz and Waterboy-Rubio, and Don't Look-Huckabee, and Loser-Trump wailing and railing about naked people all while some winger roams the streets with a damned gun. The media would barely be able to keep up with the totality of nonsense contained in one single screen-shot. And Alex Jones can start some rumor about Marxist nudists being sent in by Obama. And Benghazi and Ebola too! And Fox Spews will start their morning shows off with a meme about how only skinny good-looking people should get naked, not real Americans. So let's all start protesting naked!

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:31 PM

77. Open carry should be illegal. But gun nuts LOVE IT. Conceale carry is enough to protect yourself. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:37 PM

80. I do not care for open carry

 

But in hot weather proper conceal carry can be hard as even the imprint of a weapon through a t-shirt is not legal for CC even if the weapon itself is not visible.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #80)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:57 PM

81. Laws can allow those wit no penalty. But still block open carry. nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:05 PM

82. true

 

But I am talking about the current law as it is in Oklahoma.

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:16 PM

84. Bet they wouldn't let a Muslim with a similar weapon stalk a white neighborhood n/t

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Response to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:46 PM

87. Open carry is stupid. It's telling robbers to kill you and steal your gun.

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