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EyeOnMiami has this important review today of the Showtime special, "Spymasters: CIA in the crosshairs", based on interviews with living former Directors of the CIA.There are two conclusions reached by America's top spymasters. They concur on the following points, whether appointed by Republican or Democratic presidents.
The first is that terrorism is impervious to surveillance. In other words, no matter how much money we spend on tracking our enemies (or citizens), we will never root out every terrorist before they inflict their mayhem. This point stands in sharp contrast to headline stories: we have entered a new phase of "the war against terror" demanding new techniques of surveillance.
The second: we can't kill our way out of terrorism. Readers, pay attention: these are definitively not pronouncements by liberals.
Both these points need emphasis since the (GOP) Congress is rife with jingoistic calls for "more boots on the ground" in the Mideast, blaming President Obama for everything from the sun rising to the sun setting.
The documentary appears almost as though the past CIA directors, to a man, believe something strange and difficult is happening within the body politic of the United States. One can sense, in their direct appeals to the camera filming them, a need -- not to expiate, far from it -- but to explain the limits of CIA power.
It is highly unusual for top officials of the CIA to speak candidly for the record. Consider, for example, that CIA Cold War directors would scarcely allow their photos to be taken, much less be quoted in the media. So "Spymasters" signals a sense of utmost urgency for calm, rational reflection of mistakes we made, to chart a path forward.
The most shocking revelation, widely noted, is by George Tenet, an appointee of George W. Bush. Tenet explains how Condoleezza Rice, the Bush Secretary of State, failed to acknowledge and act on CIA warnings of an imminent attack on America during the summer of 2001. He brings new information to the charge.
Up to this time, the 9/11 narrative has been that a briefing paper on Al Qaeda's plan to attack America was sitting on the president's desk in August. Tenet recounts that after his staff briefed him on concrete information gleaned from surveillance of some of the 9/11 terrorists in June 2001, he was so worried that he instantly disrupted Rice's schedule to convene a meeting with her and his senior staff. In her memoir, Rice reports she does not recall the meeting of any special significance because the terrorism threat had been a constant agenda item during this period of time, but Tenet contradicts Rice. He "slammed his fist on her desk" in an emergency meeting. Afterwards? "Nothing."
The second admission -- by Robert Gates, a Bush CIA director held over by President Obama in his first term -- is self-evident to anyone who has paid attention to the tragic costs of war since 9/11. Gates says to the camera, and to the world, in effect: "Imagine how the world would have been different, if we had not gone to war in Iraq under false pretenses."
In the end, what these CIA directors emphasize -- except perhaps George HW Bush -- is that the best we can hope for through the application of CIA involvement in the Mideast is to "buy time and space" for politicians with the will and moral authority to solve problems that cannot be resolved by war. The key message is "we cannot kill our way out of terror".
(Emphasis added)
'.....except perhaps George HW Bush'---- (CIA Director from January 30, 1976 until January 20, 1977)
That says it all.
Moral, political and socioeconomic will has been virtually unseen in our political leaders for many years.
The time is now for widespread change, instituted by those who possess that will.
LiberalArkie
(19,802 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)The Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks are wedded to death and destruction as a profit center.
As should be self-evident, Capitalism is neither moral or wise.
That Capitalism rules Western Democracies should also be self-evident.
Ergo, is there any accident in the observation that no moral leader is willing to stand their ground against Capitalism
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Take the profit out of war and they will end tomorrow.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)No material profit anyway.
Is there any way we can make peace and love profitable on a planetary scale?
carla
(553 posts)from caring? I don't know, but it seems that wealth generated by war is good for a few corporations and dealers, but it is a bust for the rest of us. So is there an economy that is sustainable and serves the needs of people and not the needs of corporations and arms dealers? I imagine we can come up with thousands of careers and businesses that promote human welfare through products and services aimed at making us better happier and more intelligent people. I bet you could come up with ideas in this regard. Peace is what we make it.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)they just don't happen to pay very well for most people--
Teacher
Artist
Musician
Nurse
Social Worker
Environmentalist
Neighborhood organizer
Peace activist
off the top of my head
dhill926
(16,953 posts)mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)Yeah, Eisenhower, and his henchmen, the Dulles brothers, ruling the world by deposing popular, elected leaders who would dare challenge the might of American corporate interests around the world.
Now, it's in the interest of the CIA to cover their evil asses. I call bullshit.
The CIA should be shut down.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Of course they killed Kennedy when he wanted to abolish the CIA...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)
Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles...
SOURCE p. 368 online:
https://books.google.com/books?id=X7OnBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA368&lpg=PA368&dq=john+mccone+%2B+prescott+bush&source=bl&ots=dJAjiC_h6D&sig=fkfjmBYhc8KD3Relu4Vc93mEyCo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBmoVChMInOeZgovAyAIVBpiACh0JnAxi#v=onepage&q=john%20mccone%20%2B%20prescott%20bush&f=false
Thank you, seafan, for your most important OP. The players -- the beneficiaries of secret government agencies and policies, from drug dealing to dirty banking -- call themselves The Aspens, look like a forest of individual trees above ground, but really are connected by their roots underground. When the former CIA directors, en masse, express their worries, you know damn well they're worried about their threat upon the United States of America -- from We the People to the Constitution itself.
carla
(553 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in the Senate, as David Talbot explains in "The Devil's Chessboard." The man who made sure no potentially embarrassing questions were ever asked.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)Thanks for the post. What I find to be so interesting, is that I can't remember ANY media source (left or right) that spent one second on Rice's lack of attention. I was reading profusely, from 2000 to 2012, on the Bush administration and other related topics, as many books as I could get my hands on. The reason I say this, is that I read the same things about Rice back in 05, several times. No one was reporting on it. I always felt that the media went very easy on her, she wasn't very bright, and was only there to show her face. She was used.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Example: If we had embraced the young people in Tahrir Square in Egypt.
They did NOT toss out Mubarak to install the Muslim Brotherhood. (Despite what Bill Maher thinks)