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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:25 PM Dec 2015

Whoop... There It Is !!! - 'US Defense Contractors Caught Celebrating...'

US defense contractors caught celebrating the financial benefits of ISIS and war in the Middle East
Free Thought Project/RawStory
07 Dec 2015 at 08:26 ET

<snip>

At a Credit Suisse conference in West Palm Beach this week, representatives from major defense contractors spoke to their investors about how well business was going in these times of global war. Representatives from top firms like Raytheon, Oshkosh, and Lockheed Martin were in attendance, in somewhat of a celebration of the escalating conflict in the middle east and Africa.

Lockheed Martin Executive Vice President Bruce Tanner gave a speech openly praising the “indirect” benefits that defense contractors would see as a result of the war in Syria. A portion of his speech was captured on audio by someone inside and shared widely on the internet hours after the conference.

In the audio that was captured, Tanner discussed the many recent troubles in the Middle East, with an escalation of conflict in Syria and Turkey. He pointed out how these conflicts would lead to increased sales for their company.

Tanner said that the increased conflict would cause “an intangible lift because of the dynamics of that environment and our products in theater.”

According to the Intercept, during another speech at the conference, Wilson Jones, the president of the defense manufacturer Oshkosh, said that “with the ISIS threat growing, there are more countries interested in buying Oshkosh-made M-ATV armored vehicles.”

Raytheon Chief Executive Tom Kennedy also joined in the informal celebration, saying that his company was seeing “a significant uptick for defense solutions across the board in multiple countries in the Middle East.”

“It’s all the turmoil they have going on, whether the turmoil’s occurring in Yemen, whether it’s with the Houthis, whether it’s occurring in Syria or Iraq, with ISIS,” Kennedy added.

In addition to the growing wars, the contractors also celebrated the fact that the defense sector was recently granted a $607 billion budget by the government...

<snip>

Link (w/Audio): http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/us-defense-contractors-caught-celebrating-the-financial-benefits-of-isis-and-war-in-the-middle-east/

The Intercept Piece: https://theintercept.com/2015/12/04/defense-contractors-cite-benefits-of-escalating-conflicts-in-the-middle-east/

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Whoop... There It Is !!! - 'US Defense Contractors Caught Celebrating...' (Original Post) WillyT Dec 2015 OP
K&R for exposure!!!! 2naSalit Dec 2015 #1
Thousand of defense contractors were seen celebrating in NJ. morningfog Dec 2015 #2
There's a video of them dancing... KansDem Dec 2015 #6
A war-based economy. What could possibly DirkGently Dec 2015 #3
This is vomit inducing: CrispyQ Dec 2015 #4
Next time someone asks how we can pay for something Lordquinton Dec 2015 #15
General Smedley Butler: hifiguy Dec 2015 #5
Samuel Bush was a war profiteer. Seems to be genetic. merrily Dec 2015 #20
General Butler resides permanently in my Hall of Heros. navarth Dec 2015 #41
Great quote by Gen. Butler. Thanks for the reminder. nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #55
The war business grows with the population olddots Dec 2015 #7
Think the US is broken? Nah. Doctor_J Dec 2015 #8
Many dont vote because they are sold the LIE that both parties are the same on randys1 Dec 2015 #26
when it comes to foreign policy, they are too much alike.. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #33
The fealty to plutocratic trickle down Reaganomics is also hifiguy Dec 2015 #34
And many don't vote because no one on their ballot will represent them Doctor_J Dec 2015 #62
^^^Best answer^^^ -none Dec 2015 #91
Good thing all Women and Gays and minorities and others will vote for whoever the Dem randys1 Dec 2015 #97
Everything going just like they planned. n/t WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2015 #9
The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #10
War profiteering used to be a hangable offense. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #25
Only for the losing side. n/t leveymg Dec 2015 #70
No, actually, they used to hang suppliers that provided faulty or incomplete materials for the tblue37 Dec 2015 #86
K&R Photographer Dec 2015 #11
More $$$ to pay off their political puppets/make that puppette! Divernan Dec 2015 #12
Duh! AlbertCat Dec 2015 #13
Nothing new here.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #14
Just think, if I had my retirement money invested in these guys dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #16
Good on you - Dixiegrrrl Awknid Dec 2015 #58
Sick fuckers. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #17
Erect bogeyman, wave flag, reap profits, and cheer lead. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #18
UBS knows how to put those bonuses to work. Octafish Dec 2015 #19
Republican, the party of turtle looking fuckers! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #51
Truly awful human being, that slow talking turtle turncoat. Octafish Dec 2015 #60
.... newthinking Dec 2015 #84
Thick as thieves. Go Hillary... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #95
The minds and bodies of other people's kids for their profits. merrily Dec 2015 #21
If there was a draft and a war tax.... Hotler Dec 2015 #22
I think you're right, Hotler. eom Duval Dec 2015 #24
K&R! Duval Dec 2015 #23
We were warned decades ago not to do this by a conservative POTUS. Rex Dec 2015 #27
Amen, Rex Trailrider1951 Dec 2015 #30
They do...to get them killed or broken and the shit of it all imo Rex Dec 2015 #32
Oh that damn socialist. YOHABLO Dec 2015 #73
Yes 5 star general Socialist. Rex Dec 2015 #83
You can bet Faux Noise will never air that. nightscanner59 Dec 2015 #74
Once again, greed trumps peace. Initech Dec 2015 #28
Greed trumps EVERYTHING. hifiguy Dec 2015 #35
Lovely.... blackspade Dec 2015 #29
Lockheed Martin... They're everywhere! nt MADem Dec 2015 #31
plenty of money to be made from wars Angry Dragon Dec 2015 #36
This is a bit of a distortion zipplewrath Dec 2015 #37
Send draft notices to these guys! muntrv Dec 2015 #38
And their kids, siblings, spouses, parents, neices & nephews. nt Ilsa Dec 2015 #42
Yes, they are the real victors of war. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #39
I was with you until I saw a link to the intercept... Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #40
The MIC is being operated by psychopaths d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #43
No question about it. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #52
No corporate profits are too bloody for the Entitled One to accept Divernan Dec 2015 #61
+1 kath Dec 2015 #67
Who was the douche in Fahrenheit 9/11 proclaiming there was going to be a lot of money made in Iraq? Roland99 Dec 2015 #44
But even Michael Moore could not have envisioned our truedelphi Dec 2015 #56
Ugh 47of74 Dec 2015 #45
War! Huh! What is it good for?! Absolutely nothi--- er, uh, defense contractor profits! Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #46
We're Like some Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #47
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose: Farenheit 9/11 defense contractor scene Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #48
Defense Contractors are an arm of the republican party Joey Liberal Dec 2015 #49
Much so for years rockfordfile Dec 2015 #53
Thousands of them were cheering? There it is Trump! That is what you heard! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #50
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #54
K & R malaise Dec 2015 #57
Same crowd was partying on 9-11. Octafish Dec 2015 #59
Defense Contractors Predict "Win" in ISIS War, Lots of Money LS_Editor Dec 2015 #63
Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Dec 2015 #64
But they had a clever disguise, I'll wager. Turbineguy Dec 2015 #65
Yep, There. It. Is. kath Dec 2015 #66
"Our Products in theater.” Caretha Dec 2015 #68
"Solutions." That's another good one. Ron Green Dec 2015 #69
Violence to language Caretha Dec 2015 #72
Now THERE's a straight-talking press release. Ron Green Dec 2015 #96
A young songwriter from my generation once railed against military contractors... FailureToCommunicate Dec 2015 #71
DEFEAT WARHAWK POLITICIANS Divernan Dec 2015 #78
WORD !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #82
Happy days are here again! Whoopee! Kablooie Dec 2015 #75
There is a special corner of hell reserved for these bastards. grntuscarora Dec 2015 #76
and a big K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #77
Having established that conflict makes them very rich, it's a tiny leap to imagine them paying GoneFishin Dec 2015 #79
No! Really! burrowowl Dec 2015 #80
WAR PROFITEERS are the whole reason for WAR. nt valerief Dec 2015 #81
Remember the IWR vote in 2002? That was the EXACT day of the stock market bottom after ... slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #85
Were they in New Jersey? nxylas Dec 2015 #87
But increasing competition from Russia IronLionZion Dec 2015 #88
These are the other terrorists SHRED Dec 2015 #89
And ISIS propaganda decries the MIC. joshcryer Dec 2015 #90
Ah, profits from death. The backbone of a sound retirement portfolio. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #92
K&R nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #93
Keep those Wars and "Interventions" Going, Baby! KoKo Dec 2015 #94
Retch libodem Dec 2015 #98

CrispyQ

(40,970 posts)
4. This is vomit inducing:
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015
...the defense sector was recently granted a $607 billion budget by the government...





on edit:

And so is this:



How many have invested in MIC stocks?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. Many dont vote because they are sold the LIE that both parties are the same on
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015

most important issues.

And of course, nothing could be more wrong than that.

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
33. when it comes to foreign policy, they are too much alike..
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:05 PM
Dec 2015

Many Democrats gave Bush the green light for war. One of them is running for president.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
34. The fealty to plutocratic trickle down Reaganomics is also
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:08 PM
Dec 2015
thoroughly bi-partisan. Of all those running, only Bernie and O'Malley oppose it.

-none

(1,884 posts)
91. ^^^Best answer^^^
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:33 AM
Dec 2015

That has been the problem for far too long. But now we have someone with a track record we can get behind and support.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
97. Good thing all Women and Gays and minorities and others will vote for whoever the Dem
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 12:56 PM
Dec 2015

is, given the horror their lives will be if they dont.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
10. The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015
The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/

War Pays for Some: “A Hunt for Cash”

That’s something for the leading liberal pundit, partisan Democrat, and converted Obama fan Paul Krugman to reflect on. “War,” Krugman informed New York Times readers last August, “doesn’t pay” anymore, if it ever did for “modern, wealthy nations.” This is particularly true, Krugman feels, in “an interconnected world” where “war would necessarily inflict severe economic harm on the victor.”

There’s truth in his argument if by “war” we mean only major military conflicts between large and industrialized states. Such conflagrations are more than unlikely in our current “ultra-imperialist” (Karl Kautsky’s term) era marked by massive cross-national capital investment and global market inter-penetration.


More on Karl Kautsky:

Marxian, Liberal, and Sociological Theories of Imperialism Author(s): E. M. Winslow Reviewed work(s):Source: Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 39, No. 6 (Dec., 1931), pp. 713-758

To Hilferding imperialism is a policy of capitalism and not a stage of capitalism itself. Kautsky also held this view, but he differed with Hilferding in regarding imperialism as a policy of industrial (albeit a "highly developed&quot capitalism rather than of financial capitalism. From the policy viewpoint, regardless of how it expresses itself, capitalism conceivably possesses the power to turn competitive imperialism into a cooperative economic internationalism. Kautsky, indeed, came to the conclusion during the war that imperialism is not inevitable or unalterable under capitalism but may yet attain a still higher synthesis, an "ultra-" or "super-imperialism," under which a peaceful policy may be adopted as in the days of Manchesterism, as the best means of eliminating the wastes of competitive warfare and of insuring uninterrupted profits.36 Hilferding likewise thought such an eventuality possible economically but not politically, because of antagonistic interests between the powers.37

Turning to the radical communist representatives of Marxian thought, we find very little originality, but a vast amount of polemical criticism of the theories of imperialism held by Kautsky, Hilferding, and all center and right-wing socialists. The outstanding example of this sort of criticism is found in Lenin's Imperialism.38 Embittered and disillusioned, particularly by the failure of Kautsky, so long regarded as Marx's direct successor, to go the whole way with violent revolution, Lenin makes him the scape-goat for all revisionist "renegades" from true Marxism.

Lenin and the communists generally are hostile to the notion that capitalism is capable of adopting a peaceful policy, even temporarily. The fact that capitalism once went through a peaceful stage is regarded as a mere episode in its development.39 Lenin identifies imperialism with the monopoly stage of capitalism and scornfully rejects the view that it is a mere external policy. He looks upon imperialism as "a tendency to violence and reaction in general,"40 and he brands any suggestion that it is otherwise as the talk of bourgeois reformers and socialist opportunists which glosses over the "deepest internal contradictions of imperialism."4I Granting, says Lenin, that capitalist nations should combine into such an "ultra-imperialism" or world-alliance as that visualized by Kautsky and others, it could be no more than temporary, for peaceful alliances prepare the ground for wars.42


But many elites in rich nations, the US (the world’s sole military superpower) above all, still and quite reasonably see an economic payoff in undertaking military engagements in mostly poor and “pre-modern” but resource-rich nations and regions. In a more classically national-imperialist vein, Washington remains committed to the use of military force in pursuit of the control of Middle Eastern oil (and other strategic energy concentrations around the world) because of the critical leverage such control grants the US over competitor states.

The biggest flaw in Krugman’s argument is his failure to make the (one would think) elementary distinction between (a) the wealthy Few and (b) the rest of us and society as whole when it comes to who loses and who gains from contemporary (endless) war, As the venerable U.S. foreign policy critic Edward S. Herman asks and observes:

“Doesn’t war pay for Lockheed-Martin, GE, Raytheon, Honeywell, Halliburton, Chevron, Academi (formerly Blackwater) and the vast further array of contractors and their financial, political, and military allies? An important feature of ‘projecting power’ (i.e., imperialism) has always been the skewed distribution of costs and benefits…The costs have always been borne by the general citizenry (including the dead and injured military personnel and their families), while the benefits accrue to privileged sectors whose members not only profit from arms supply and other services, but can plunder the victim countries during and after the invasion-occupation.”

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
86. No, actually, they used to hang suppliers that provided faulty or incomplete materials for the
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:44 AM
Dec 2015

troops because that prevented them from fighting effectively, thus putting the war effort at risk.

Halliburton and KBR supplied our troops with water contaminated by fecal matter, subcontracted out electrical wiring for such a cheap price that some soldiers were electrocuted taking showers, and other such things.

In order to make more profit, Halliburton and KBR deliberately provided substandard services and goods. They hung such profiteers in the past because they undermined the war effort.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,161 posts)
16. Just think, if I had my retirement money invested in these guys
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:17 PM
Dec 2015

I would be sitting pretty today.

Refused to do it, tho.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. UBS knows how to put those bonuses to work.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:31 PM
Dec 2015

Ask for Phil in Wealth Management.



They now work together at UBS -- which received uncounted billions in bailout money -- to specialize in some kind of "Weath Management."

Instead of celebrating, these warmongering turds should fear indictment on all manner of charges.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
60. Truly awful human being, that slow talking turtle turncoat.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:00 PM
Dec 2015

Used to be a Democrat, IIRC, a Congressman from Texas way back before Reagan. Then, he got into the US Senate and Wall Street AND Bank de-regulation in a big way, leading up to the repeal of Glass-Steagall, signed into law by his now-colleague at the UBS Wealth Management department, then-President Bill Clinton.

FWIW: Gramm and his wife, Wendy, helped link the criminality of the Reagan years from BCCI to the crapola of w Bush and ENRON. Oh. Gramm now bosses forever-pretzeldent George w Bush in the Wealth Management department at UBS.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. We were warned decades ago not to do this by a conservative POTUS.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:46 PM
Dec 2015

When you cheer on the profits from mass death and suffering, you are not a human being anymore. IMO.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. They do...to get them killed or broken and the shit of it all imo
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:01 PM
Dec 2015

they don't want to pay for it OR pay for bills from their war! It drives me crazy sometimes how fucked we are in some ways.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
83. Yes 5 star general Socialist.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 01:23 AM
Dec 2015

President Socialist. The stupid still burns all the decades later.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. Greed trumps EVERYTHING.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dec 2015

If's the primary feature of a captalist system. It's not a bug.

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
37. This is a bit of a distortion
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

I'm dubious anything in what was said could really be classified as "celebrating". These people were definitely commenting upon the beneficial impacts that these conflicts would have on their particular business units. They were talking to creditors, they want to be able to borrow money at favorable rates. Oshkosh just won a large contract, which predates these conflicts. They are going to need a large amount of finacing to execute the contract and will want favorable costs.

Of course these companies are also populated heavily with republicans so they of course look favorably upon using the military to further American interests in this region. That's not a profit driven motive, that's a sick view of how best to achieve American interests.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
43. The MIC is being operated by psychopaths
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 04:56 PM
Dec 2015

They don't mind putting our soldiers in harm's way if there is an opportunity to make money.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
61. No corporate profits are too bloody for the Entitled One to accept
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:30 PM
Dec 2015

as speaking fees or campaign donations.

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
44. Who was the douche in Fahrenheit 9/11 proclaiming there was going to be a lot of money made in Iraq?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:02 PM
Dec 2015

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
56. But even Michael Moore could not have envisioned our
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

Armed Services' Top Brass deciding it was too expensive to bring home American hardware. So tens of millions, if not billions of dollars, orf our high tech gear, vehicles and weapons, then got left in the dessert and then seized by ISIS.

Who also, to a man, somehow mysteriously?, knew how to operate it. (Remember this equipment was stuff our military had to spend months training in order to operate properly!)

As well as utilize American black op weaponry programs to disband their enemy!

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
47. We're Like some
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:50 PM
Dec 2015

Bastardized version of Sparta



Where is the world's Athens to Counter?


Miserable Present Needs Desperate Fixing. Drives People to Drink



oh... oh...
My Age is Showing

Joey Liberal

(5,526 posts)
49. Defense Contractors are an arm of the republican party
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:24 PM
Dec 2015

Defense contractors are ripping off the taxpayers while giving the GOP millions in campaign donations.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
59. Same crowd was partying on 9-11.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:54 PM
Dec 2015


KA-CHING: The Company Getting Rich Off the ISIS War

For the Middle East, the growth of the self-proclaimed Islamic State has been a catastrophe.
For one American firm, it’s been a gold mine.


by Kate Brannen
08.02.15

The war against ISIS isn’t going so great, with the self-appointed terror group standing up to a year of U.S. airstrikes in Syria and Iraq.

But that hasn’t kept defense contractors from doing rather well amidst the fighting. Lockheed Martin has received orders for thousands of more Hellfire missiles. AM General is busy supplying Iraq with 160 American-built Humvee vehicles, while General Dynamics is selling the country millions of dollars worth of tank ammunition.

SOS International, a family-owned business whose corporate headquarters are in New York City, is one of the biggest players on the ground in Iraq, employing the most Americans in the country after the U.S. Embassy. On the company’s board of advisors: former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz—considered to be one of the architects of the invasion of Iraq—and Paul Butler, a former special assistant to Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld.

The company, which goes by “SOSi,” says on its website that the contracts it’s been awarded for work in Iraq in 2015 have a total value of more than $400 million. They include a $40 million contract to provide everything from meals to perimeter security to emergency fire and medical services at Iraq’s Besmaya Compound, one of the sites where U.S. troops are training Iraqi soldiers. The Army awarded SOSi a separate $100 million contract in late June for similar services at Camp Taji. The Pentagon expects that contract to last through June 2018.

A year after U.S. airstrikes began targeting the so-called Islamic State in Iraq, there are 3,500 U.S. troops deployed there, training and advising Iraqi troops. But a number that is not discussed is the growing number of contractors required to support these operations. According to the U.S. military, there are 6,300 contractors working in Iraq today, supporting U.S. operations. Separately, the State Department is seeking janitorial services, drivers, linguists, and security contractors to work at its Iraqi facilities.

While these numbers pale in comparison to the more than 163,000 working in Iraq at the peak of the Iraq War, they are steadily growing. And with the fight against ISIS expected to take several years, it also represents a growing opportunity for defense, security, and logistics contractors, especially as work in Afghanistan begins to dry up.

“It allows us to maintain the façade of no boots on the ground while at the same time growing our footprint,” said Laura Dickinson, a law professor at George Washington University whose recent work has focused on regulating private military contractors.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/02/the-company-getting-rich-off-of-the-isis-war.html

Has Corporate Owned News broadcast this story: REGULATING Defense Contractors?

As one who's been interested in this guy's comblicking companions in and out of government, including the cough Pentagon and cough cough cough CIA Wall Street Swiss banks cough Wendy Gramm of a combover War Party cough cough cough AKA BFEE whose husband was mentioned above in regards to Glass-Steagall, I hope they do. The traitors and warmongers who lied America into war may yet be held to account and face Justice.

LS_Editor

(920 posts)
63. Defense Contractors Predict "Win" in ISIS War, Lots of Money
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:57 PM
Dec 2015

No.... Defense contractors are the ultimate patriots... or something...


Defense Contractors Predict "Win" in ISIS War, Lots of Money

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - Earlier today, American defense contractors predicted hundreds of thousands of American ground troops will win the imminent, expanded war against the Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria, Iraq, and probably elsewhere. The arms producers expected to make an acceptable profit before, during, and after the war, and defined "win" as the United States and its allies leaving a power vacuum in the region to guarantee future armed conflicts and demand for weapons.

+

"Because instability in the Middle East is good for our bottom line. I really cannot stress that enough. We are a for-profit business, just like our competitors, and the more weapons we sell to the United States and others the more money we make," asserted Meyers.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
64. Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:08 PM
Dec 2015

eom

Turbineguy

(40,077 posts)
65. But they had a clever disguise, I'll wager.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:18 PM
Dec 2015

They were disguised as Muslims. They were the ones Trump saw dancing.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
68. "Our Products in theater.”
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:22 PM
Dec 2015

Now isn't that lovely. Their products in theater are munitions that blast holes in living humans, human structures, animals & their structures....Their products in theater drip blood and cause rivers of tears.

Ain't they grand?

That is some of the most fuckin' shit I've ever read. What are we going to do about it?

Ron Green

(9,870 posts)
69. "Solutions." That's another good one.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:26 PM
Dec 2015

The euphemisms these killers use to disguise what they're really doing ought to put them behind bars just for the violence to language.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
72. Violence to language
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:04 PM
Dec 2015

is exactly right.

What if the headlines read...

"Today our corporation & factories produced 1,200,000 new munitions and arms this month that caused 220,000 injuries and deaths...some of it was of course just collateral damage, but it made us a profit of more than $54,000 per hour. Our CEOS are very pleased and will be getting bonuses in relationship to the amount of misery and death that we were able to inflict with our superb corporate infrastructure and our busy factory workers."

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
78. DEFEAT WARHAWK POLITICIANS
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:39 PM
Dec 2015
AND THEIR BLOOD-THIRSTY, BLOOD-DRENCHED, PROFITEERING, CAMPAIGN-FUNDING, CORPORATE PUPPET MASTERS.
(Caveat: By "warhawk politicians" I refer to anyone who laughs maniacally at the prospect of war, and I do NOT, repeat NOT, refer to congresspersons who voted to provide support to troops already in the field or in need of VA care.)

Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks


You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly



Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain


You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
While the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud


You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins


How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do


Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
By the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
79. Having established that conflict makes them very rich, it's a tiny leap to imagine them paying
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:42 PM
Dec 2015

someone a few million dollars to keep poking that hornets nest.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
85. Remember the IWR vote in 2002? That was the EXACT day of the stock market bottom after ...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:40 AM
Dec 2015

the long decline of the tech bubble from the 2000 top.

Some say the market started a decline after 9/11, but that is not true.

Find some longer term charts and see for yourself when the market began a decline.

Also check the real estate index, it reached a high in 2005 foreshadowing the impending real estate bubble. Even in 2003 I was reading about the coming real estate bubble. Our politicians, and their financials advisors stood there in late 2007 and were totally in shock as to what was happening, what a farce.

I became interested in politics after watching the market movements and major votes and their correlation.

Not surprised at their excitement.













nxylas

(6,440 posts)
87. Were they in New Jersey?
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 04:29 AM
Dec 2015

Maybe those were the people Donald Trump saw dancing in the streets on 9/11.

IronLionZion

(51,269 posts)
88. But increasing competition from Russia
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 08:34 AM
Dec 2015

Russia is blatantly advertising their weapons. They use stealth planes when ISIS doesn't have radar.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
90. And ISIS propaganda decries the MIC.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 08:55 AM
Dec 2015

Funny how the MIC's latest beneficiary is ISIS.

(Yes, I watch their propaganda videos and am probably on a list, you got to know that they're not against the evil empire, they themselves want to be an evil empire. In the end they're against western culture, society, ethics, and morality.)

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
92. Ah, profits from death. The backbone of a sound retirement portfolio.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:36 AM
Dec 2015

There are those who oppose it and those who appease it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
94. Keep those Wars and "Interventions" Going, Baby!
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:27 AM
Dec 2015

We have NO SHAME. We answer to our investors, and profit is what they care about.

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