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fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:56 PM Dec 2015

Rahm Emanuel is in Deep, Deep Trouble

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/10/rahm-emanuel-is-running-out-of-options-and-time-in-chicago/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_rahm_fix_930am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

More and more — despite his speech Wednesday— it appears resigning could indeed be what Emanuel will be forced to do in order to restore Chicagoans' faith in their government. (Already, an Illinois state lawmaker is starting the process to recall him.)

Thanks in part to a series of missteps by the mayor after the shooting, exacerbated by a longer-term failure to address more systemic problems with Chicago's police department, Emanuel appears to have lost much of the city's trust. His approval rating has hit a record low of 18 percent, and 51 percent of residents think he should resign, according to a new poll from the Illinois Observer.

For Emanuel, trust is the most critical element right now for him to take any meaningful action to help a wounded Chicago. And it's increasingly difficult to envision a scenario in which whatever Emanuel does isn't viewed as a political Hail Mary to save his career by understandably frustrated and suspicious Chicago residents.

President Obama's former chief of staff has a reputation for being a savvy political operator — a real tough guy who plays politics like chess. But in every new twist and turn of the McDonald shooting, Emanuel has appeared to act only after he was backed into a corner by political pressure.
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Rahm Emanuel is in Deep, Deep Trouble (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 OP
"...a series of misteps..."? They were not "misteps". nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #1
Agreed. eom fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #6
I am shocked the GOP isn't using this situation to advance their nastiness yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #29
They're holding off until after the nomination. jeff47 Dec 2015 #173
Must be the new word for crimes. nt valerief Dec 2015 #32
Rahm is having trouble: but it will blow over: The Police did the Killing lewebley3 Dec 2015 #40
But the rampage he has done on the school system is a gaping bloody wound he can't fix now. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #99
The School system is a different issue: Police crime is another issue lewebley3 Dec 2015 #188
They are different issues yes, but the privatization of all of it is the same issue. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #210
And in the end he will be riding into the sunset... BeanMusical Dec 2015 #112
Anyone who is that much of a sheer asshole hifiguy Dec 2015 #116
NO:, but the police with be held accountable: and lewebley3 Dec 2015 #184
...And he covered up the killing for over a year, to help his re-election. jeff47 Dec 2015 #174
You have no evidence of a cover up: You just are attacking Rahm lewebley3 Dec 2015 #181
You think Rahm gives a shit about anything being illegal? Pfffft! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #183
You don't know Rahm: I don't know what he thinks: but Facts matter lewebley3 Dec 2015 #185
Yes, he does. That's why he has at least 3 cover-ups right now WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #198
Emails Suggest Mayor’s Staff Knew About Laquan McDonald Video During His Re-Election Campaign jeff47 Dec 2015 #187
"Suggest" and this information may or may not be reliable lewebley3 Dec 2015 #190
We have facts. You've chosen to pretend each of those facts lives in an isolated bubble. jeff47 Dec 2015 #192
No, facts; your word is "payoff": We need an investigation lewebley3 Dec 2015 #193
What would you prefer to call $5M paid to the family without even filing a lawsuit? jeff47 Dec 2015 #194
Those pay (off) are happening in every city in American: Nothing Special lewebley3 Dec 2015 #200
No, they are only happening after a lawsuit was filed. jeff47 Dec 2015 #202
He signs: but he is not legally able to inter-fer: The Police lied to him too! lewebley3 Dec 2015 #208
Rahm blocked McCarthy's efforts to reform CPD in 2013 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #195
Rahm's hand picked pro-tobacco, pro-pulluter lawyer ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #201
A lot of people giving the ultra micro-manager Emanuel a pass WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #209
Well put. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #211
Precisely. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #83
In the sense of "Ooops! I didn't expect to get in Dutch!", they are. WinkyDink Dec 2015 #177
I hope this puts him out of commission forever montanacowboy Dec 2015 #2
I've always wondered why Obama put him on his staff . . . fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #10
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #12
Nice swipe at POTUS .... sunnystarr Dec 2015 #19
Hmmm... murielm99 Dec 2015 #21
Yup Plucketeer Dec 2015 #77
I never liked him from the start. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #85
Alas, yes? <EM> Treant Dec 2015 #104
What does it say that he was on PBO's staff? Instead of hurling AllyCat Dec 2015 #165
oh please. anyone who questions another persons loyalty to their party is a repiblican roguevalley Dec 2015 #23
Looks like you didn't follow the thread ... sunnystarr Dec 2015 #47
i voted for the President twice. hifiguy Dec 2015 #30
I agree with you. I have never been a fan club member Tipperary Dec 2015 #68
But I still really like him Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #140
as would i hopemountain Dec 2015 #157
I agree with you... Thespian2 Dec 2015 #142
Good catch, while I despise Rahm, I am sick and tired of these attacks on Obama randys1 Dec 2015 #31
Why would Obama appoint a despicable chief of staff, with center-right policies? villager Dec 2015 #37
Go somewhere else and bash President Obama, please. randys1 Dec 2015 #46
It's still a good question, despite your refusal to answer it. And in democracies, questions are ok. villager Dec 2015 #55
You have no answer, I see, to a perfectly valid question. hifiguy Dec 2015 #57
I dont spend my time bashing Obama, sorry. randys1 Dec 2015 #69
Ahh, now I understand hifiguy Dec 2015 #73
Right was Yoda. hifiguy Dec 2015 #109
"I am a voter, not a fan-club member" malokvale77 Dec 2015 #129
No, you're cluelessly, rudely trying to broadbrush with ignorant cheap pot shots.. and Cha Dec 2015 #212
I didn't see any "bashing" here. cwydro Dec 2015 #97
It's our DUTY to question. n/t cui bono Dec 2015 #127
So I take it you're okay... gregcrawford Dec 2015 #117
You've got an odd idea of what bashing is... cui bono Dec 2015 #126
I think Obama owed a lot of favors to a lot of people. I think it is only the last LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #62
This is my belief, too. dmr Dec 2015 #100
You could be right Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #101
I have thought for a long time that becoming a politician has to be a lot like LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #102
That's one think I like about Bernie Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #103
Yea, he started almost the bottom and worked his way up. That is the way it used to be done. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #107
The 1980 election against Frank White may have been a turning point Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #108
I think at some point he got some big money from the Stephens and the Tysons, I LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #111
He got Stephens and Tyson money for his 1992 presidential bid Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #114
Try this guy out.. I know he has part of Systematics down, just not all of it. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #115
It's a VERY good question. People are judged by the company they keep, which is not at all kath Dec 2015 #94
What you mean is that we don't act like republicans Scootaloo Dec 2015 #48
Excellent. Well said. hifiguy Dec 2015 #60
Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #88
Actually, the problem is non-Bernie supporters not acting like Dems. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #66
All of this. hifiguy Dec 2015 #71
I'm getting pretty grumpy. nt Enthusiast Dec 2015 #89
^ Dis right here. AzDar Dec 2015 #82
Oooh, please tell me what makes a good Dem? Jackilope Dec 2015 #78
One must be an unquestioning Belieber hifiguy Dec 2015 #91
So we must kiss every nominally conservative democrat's hairy ass Trajan Dec 2015 #79
An honest progressive will take swipes at who ever deserves it. It's on the conservatives that rhett o rick Dec 2015 #123
+1 k&r n/t bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #203
Emanuel was his chief of staff. Sorry, but that says something. Marr Dec 2015 #124
So what do you think it says? I think it says that he owed Rahm for helping him get elected. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #138
and Bernie supporters sure don't act like Dems. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #139
Close but not quite right. I don't like DINO's. Anyone can call themselves a Democrat. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #207
You are always attacking Dem party members: You need to attack the GOP lewebley3 Dec 2015 #42
Don't you just hate it when that happens. ornotna Dec 2015 #119
Oopsie, nice catch. malokvale77 Dec 2015 #132
The Dem's are the only ones standing between us and GOP lewebley3 Dec 2015 #186
Not true ornotna Dec 2015 #196
Yes, and I am a Dem supporting a very strong leader Hillary lewebley3 Dec 2015 #199
I really like Obama (except for his excessive use of drones and a few other things) fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #50
I was more excited about voting for him in '08 hifiguy Dec 2015 #67
Royally chumped is right. kath Dec 2015 #154
me too. redwitch Dec 2015 #110
^^^this^^^ ViseGrip Dec 2015 #72
Obama put Emanuel on his staff sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #26
Penny brought Obama to the dance Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #33
Yep sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #39
Didn't know about Penny's role. So Obama had his own billionaire backing him. AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #51
Dirty Chicago shit Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #215
That depends on the Food being offered.. Volaris Dec 2015 #54
I have always assumed it was Chicago-Illinois politics. We jwirr Dec 2015 #136
President Obama called Rahm to be his COS, an offer Rahm couldn't refuse. LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #153
Rahm was Obama's PERFECT Consigliori. bvar22 Dec 2015 #197
I don't see him as savvy, smart of a chess player. I see him as a short man syndrome, big mouth roguevalley Dec 2015 #22
Right. Beause that always works. eggplant Dec 2015 #53
Yeah, some of our greatest serial murderers were beaten to a pulp fasttense Dec 2015 #162
He also told us to STFU. cui bono Dec 2015 #125
Wish this would have put him out of commission BEFORE the election. AllyCat Dec 2015 #146
He called us FUCKING retards Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #147
Good. Someone should throw this smarmy mfer an anchor. hifiguy Dec 2015 #3
Gee, hifiguy. What's obstruction of justice between friends? Octafish Dec 2015 #4
There is a reason why I voted twice against his Joe Pesci character wannabe crooked ass. Fuck Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2015 #5
A man on MSNBC before said he should resign and go work somwhere else. I agree, he... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #9
The eternal cynic in me tells me he'll be able to ride this out. But I've Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2015 #11
He'd fit in perfectly at Eaglevale hedge fund. Divernan Dec 2015 #86
The Mob can always use a good crooked chiseler. hifiguy Dec 2015 #14
Come on. The Mob knows better than to embrace Rahm merrily Dec 2015 #38
Well, there IS that. hifiguy Dec 2015 #49
Kick Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #7
He will be an aid in the New Clinton WH bahrbearian Dec 2015 #8
Yes. He is part of the Clinton/Obama in-crowd. He epitomizes the Democratic Party's in-crowd. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #45
If we have that misfortune, he will turn up in HRH's administration hifiguy Dec 2015 #52
Man has been an intregal part of two administrations that started with large congressional rpannier Dec 2015 #106
...! n/t KoKo Dec 2015 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #13
Yeah, that's kinda weird Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #35
There are daily protests downtown often in front of the mayor's office mucifer Dec 2015 #134
They're here, and have been for some time... there must be a lack of media coverage. MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #58
There is no lack of media coverage in Chicago. mucifer Dec 2015 #135
Yes, I meant nationally. MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #158
he knee capped black voters by closing nearby schools ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #15
career shitbag. KG Dec 2015 #16
His problem lies in his tough politial operative abilities. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #17
he has no soul and he has no character. That is the root of his problems. No one with roguevalley Dec 2015 #24
You know that video of Hillary in your signature line. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #56
Yo need to take this to GDP and keep it out of GD. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #63
Wow. Why do you think you can tell others what to do? Rhetorical. nm rhett o rick Dec 2015 #149
GD SOP. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #163
That condescending little gif has irritated the hell out of me, too. hifiguy Dec 2015 #74
Also, she's imitating Obama wiping off the shit she threw at him in 2008. jeff47 Dec 2015 #176
There's no IL legal mechanism for a mayoral recall... MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #76
"...IL legal..." Iggo Dec 2015 #171
heh, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. MerryBlooms Dec 2015 #213
IL doesn't have a recall mechanism. jeff47 Dec 2015 #175
Restoring faith in goverment? Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #18
Did Chicagoans really have faith in their government before this? hughee99 Dec 2015 #20
It isn't like everyone else isn't corrupt as hell either. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #113
Our last mayor covered up police torture link below. mucifer Dec 2015 #152
He's a POS, simple as that. Phlem Dec 2015 #25
Is he fucking retarded? deutsey Dec 2015 #27
I would pay good money to see someone ask him this at a presser. n/t reflection Dec 2015 #65
he was on Farrakhan's TV show: he feels justified no matter how many braincases his cops empty out MisterP Dec 2015 #98
I tweeted the other day that his political career should be over, permanently randys1 Dec 2015 #28
Excellent news. nt bemildred Dec 2015 #34
That 5 million in hush money leaves a rather inconvenient paper trail. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #36
Caught up in his own political maneuvering. blackspade Dec 2015 #41
"Already, an Illinois state lawmaker is starting the process to recall him." KamaAina Dec 2015 #43
no, it doesnt. this is a misstatement. mopinko Dec 2015 #144
So you're stuck with both of them?! KamaAina Dec 2015 #148
actually, thanks to bloggo mopinko Dec 2015 #179
rahm had seen the tape before the 5 million buck payout questionseverything Dec 2015 #206
Couldn't happen to a nice guy! highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #44
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person!! Doitnow Dec 2015 #59
I agree with this. About the only way he can get out of this mess is with support from some MADem Dec 2015 #61
Hopefully this has ruined it for him- if had any Presidential aspirations notadmblnd Dec 2015 #64
Missteps? He purposely hid the video until he could no longer. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #70
I would not piss on Rahm FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #75
Well. most of us knew what he was about so I am not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. nt silvershadow Dec 2015 #80
Shaedenfreude DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #81
He just needs to go Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #87
He richly deserves every single bit of the "trouble" he is in. Should be prosecuted for obstruction kath Dec 2015 #90
End of his Boss Tweed ambitions marmar Dec 2015 #92
Anyone counting on him to resign in disgrace or be recalled are probably spinning their wheels. RichVRichV Dec 2015 #93
His arrogance is stunning. Time to go. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #95
if h was republican he would not be in trouble because all those certainot Dec 2015 #96
The Chicago Tribune will be very upset rpannier Dec 2015 #105
Good. nt truebluegreen Dec 2015 #118
I can picture this egomaniac telling Hillary he's available to be her running mate..... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #120
Rahm Emanuel is performing a new emotion: sadness Nevernose Dec 2015 #121
Pssst...everybody alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #122
maybe but DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #128
She won't put him in the VP slot, but there's plenty of positions filled after an election. jeff47 Dec 2015 #178
He knows where the "bodies" are buried...she's on his leash. libdem4life Dec 2015 #214
Hey Rahm! Karma is not just a b*tch: Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #130
I expect that Hillary will choose him as VP before it comes to the matter of re-election or recall. JVS Dec 2015 #131
That made me vomit a little. She still supports him. morningfog Dec 2015 #151
Birds of a feather. They are well matched. Divernan Dec 2015 #160
A VP slot beltanefauve Dec 2015 #156
Ambassadorships for politicians are pretty much dead-ends for a national career HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #166
I would hope to god she is not that stupid DonCoquixote Dec 2015 #205
Good cop, bad cop. ...... Hotler Dec 2015 #133
O Rahm O Rahm Emaneul... Blue Owl Dec 2015 #137
He covered up. zentrum Dec 2015 #141
He's got a reputation awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #143
no, the lawmaker is not starting the process to recall him. no such mopinko Dec 2015 #145
I notice all the smug "Rahm won because he was inherently superior to his opponent" posts Ken Burch Dec 2015 #150
When he left th White House, Rahm saltpoint Dec 2015 #155
Raging egomaniacs are incapable of admitting error, let alone resigning Divernan Dec 2015 #159
/\_/\_This_/\_/\ Scuba Dec 2015 #161
Bingo. He's got the same narcissistic personality disorder thing going on bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #167
Looks like it's a bad season to be a Third-Way DLC New Dem. NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #164
Never liked him. appal_jack Dec 2015 #168
Barack won't let this happen...mark my word. ileus Dec 2015 #169
I'm not defending Rahm, here, but... SpankMe Dec 2015 #170
Nothing's gonna happen to Rahm d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #172
"No one could have imagined (this happening to him)" Roland99 Dec 2015 #182
Remember how Obama's DOJ went after Wall Street WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #189
Good. That city needs someone who will serve the people arthritisR_US Dec 2015 #191
Good riddance ibegurpard Dec 2015 #204
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #216

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
173. They're holding off until after the nomination.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:18 PM
Dec 2015

Shooting down one candidate now does not help them. It would allow Democrats to coalesce around another candidate before the convention.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
40. Rahm is having trouble: but it will blow over: The Police did the Killing
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:07 PM
Dec 2015


After the investigation RHAM will very likely be cleared,
the police are the ones in trouble.
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
188. The School system is a different issue: Police crime is another issue
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:35 PM
Dec 2015


What you are trying to do without evidence is make
a political prosecution on Rahm: because you don't
like his school policies.


When someone is charge with anything: it should be on the
facts or evidence: not on a political bias.

Rahm was popularly elected, and the police did the killings
not Rahm.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
116. Anyone who is that much of a sheer asshole
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:40 PM
Dec 2015

will find a home in a hedge fund or on Wall Street with the rest of the lying, power-hungry sociopaths. He will fit right in.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
184. NO:, but the police with be held accountable: and
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:21 PM
Dec 2015


the police will have to be cleaned out:
like the Ferguson, Cleveland, Texas, etc.

The Justice Department is slow but they are sweeping
and tuff if they find wrong doing.

Nothing has been charged on Rahm: If justice is important
at all, it is important for everyone.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
174. ...And he covered up the killing for over a year, to help his re-election.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:20 PM
Dec 2015

One doesn't have to literally pull the trigger to do something wrong.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
181. You have no evidence of a cover up: You just are attacking Rahm
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:13 PM
Dec 2015

What we do know :is that the police uniformly lied
to everyone about their story.

Chicago has an independent body that makes decisions
about police criminal activity: and like Obama, its
illegal for Rahm to interfere, or it would be smack
of the Major personally handing about justice with
out due process. (those were the days of J Daily)

What has been learned so far is that police have stem-mic
corruption.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
198. Yes, he does. That's why he has at least 3 cover-ups right now
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

McDonald

Homan Square
In response to Ackerman's exposés, the police department released a statement insisting that it "abides by all laws, rules, and guidelines" when interviewing suspects and witnesses at Homan Square. Emanuel echoed that language in an interview with a local news program a week later. But now, with the nation's eyes on Chicago, the scandal is primed to explode again.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/rahm-emanuel-chicago-police-homan-square-scandal

CPS no-bid scandal
The comments come on the same day the Tribune reported the mayor's office was more involved in the $20.5 million contract than previously disclosed and was fighting the release of public records that could shed more light on how the deal came to be.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-school-contract-questions-20151012-story.html

He gives a shit. Do you know who doesn't give a shit?

The Obama admin. Rahm is Obama's mayor. A DOJ investigation of Rahm = A DOJ investigation of Wall Street

Rahm's one lucky mothereffer. Imagine, having POTUS stump for you. What city has ever had that, IDK??? Imaging, being the POTUS's mayor.

It's the Obama admin that doesn't give a shit.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
187. Emails Suggest Mayor’s Staff Knew About Laquan McDonald Video During His Re-Election Campaign
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:33 PM
Dec 2015
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/11/3731134/rahm-emanuel-emails-laquan-mcdonald/

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) likely knew that there was unreleased video evidence of Officer Jason Van Dyke killing 17-year-old Laquan McDonald within 50 days of the shooting, internal emails obtained by NBC Chicago indicate.

The emails show Emanuel staffers discussing the existence of dashcam video of the killing in early December of last year, as Emanuel’s re-election effort was entering the home stretch. The city sought to suppress the video for over a year before a judge forced Chicago to release it to the public last month. In the early weeks after the killing, police insisted McDonald had lunged at Van Dyke with a knife — something the video proves to be untrue.

(snip)

When the mayor watched the video is not the key question for those wondering if Emanuel either allowed or inspired a hush-up during an election. The rub is in when Emanuel became aware that the story his police department had told was incorrect, regardless of whether he’d seen the evidence of the lie with his own eyes. The prospect of documentary evidence confirming Emanuel’s team knew of evidence that contradicted the official story — especially given the rapid and unsought $5 million payout to McDonald’s relatives days after his re-election — could be far more damaging.


The story does say there isn't a "smoking gun" proving that Rham had seen the video. However, it would seem extremely unlikely that he would not at least hear a summary of the video, if not see it himself, before approving the $5M payout.
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
190. "Suggest" and this information may or may not be reliable
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015


We need facts: not hostile political critic's of the major information:
all politicians have detractors.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
192. We have facts. You've chosen to pretend each of those facts lives in an isolated bubble.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

Why'd Rham approve the $5M payoff?

If your claim is correct and he had no idea about the video, he was horrifically negligent handing out $5M.

If he did know about the video, he helped to cover up the crime and delay prosecution for a year, during which he barely won re-election....and African-Americans were a big part of his barely-winning coalition.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
194. What would you prefer to call $5M paid to the family without even filing a lawsuit?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015
We need an investigation

How convenient that Rham has set one up!! Why, I'm sure his investigation of himself will be as unbiased as Christie's investigation of himself.

Also, we have facts. The video existed. It was illegally kept from the public for over a year. Charges were not filed until the video was released. The family was paid $5M, before they even filed a lawsuit. That $5M included strings like not suing the city and not discussing the case.

All facts. All relevant. All make utterly no sense if Rham knew nothing.
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
200. Those pay (off) are happening in every city in American: Nothing Special
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

We don't know if Rham was set up, and you don't if there
have been any convenience for Rham. ( these are your accusations
nothing more).
Rahm is a smart man, he tends to get ahead of most things,
but he is not responsible for micromanaging the police and their
criminal activity himself.

If Rahm had any idea of about this problem he would not have been
caught tying to catch up on this problem.

Sorry, unless their evidence that Rahm has done anything he
should keep working to fix things

Stop shifting the blame: The policeman killed the young man,
and the police lied about what happened to everyone, they
are ones that need a trial

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
202. No, they are only happening after a lawsuit was filed.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:51 PM
Dec 2015

Pre-lawsuit was a new twist, demonstrating that the city knew just how bad this was.

We don't know if Rham was set up

Set up how? He approved the payoff.

and you don't if there
have been any convenience for Rham

Could you restate this in a coherent manner?

Rahm is a smart man, he tends to get ahead of most things,
but he is not responsible for micromanaging the police and their
criminal activity himself.

He approved the payoff. Does he regularly approve $5M payoffs without finding out what the payoff is for?

If Rahm had any idea of about this problem he would not have been
caught tying to catch up on this problem.

Yeah...it's not like he was facing a close election where this coming out would cause problems or anything.

Sorry, unless their evidence that Rahm has done anything he
should keep working to fix things

Again, Rham approved the payoff. Why'd he do that if he had no idea what was going on?

Stop shifting the blame: The policeman killed the young man,
and the police lied about what happened to everyone, they
are ones that need a trial

Because illegally holding the tape for a year is nothing. And Rham just signs whatever checks the police put in front of him, he couldn't have possibly known what he was approving.
 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
195. Rahm blocked McCarthy's efforts to reform CPD in 2013
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

McCarthy asked the mayor to appoint a blue-ribbon panel of experts to recommend sweeping reforms to how the city investigates police misconduct and disciplines officers...the superintendent aimed to give the mayor justification to push for major changes to city laws and the police union contract, which was being renegotiated at that time, to make misconduct investigations more transparent.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151209/loop/feud-between-mccarthy-citys-lawyer-blocked-police-reform-sources-say

McCarthy has beans to spill. Unfortunately, the DOJ is interested in one thing: exonerating Obama's mayor.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
201. Rahm's hand picked pro-tobacco, pro-pulluter lawyer
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

Patton, from Kirkland & Ellis, did the the obstruction.

By choosing Patton to be the City attorney, Rahm showed where his true allegiance lies.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
209. A lot of people giving the ultra micro-manager Emanuel a pass
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dec 2015

...I for one don't accept his hands off alibis.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
211. Well put.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:08 PM
Dec 2015

Arrogance only gets you so far. Multimillions don't hurt, and having friends like Rauner make it even more vile.

montanacowboy

(6,081 posts)
2. I hope this puts him out of commission forever
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:12 PM
Dec 2015

This asshole is bad news - remember what he called us "Retarded" yep, Retarded liberals

Hey Rahm - who is "retarded" now?

He fucked up the schools so bad in Chicago and now is a mouthpiece for the corrupt police department.

Go away and never come back.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
10. I've always wondered why Obama put him on his staff . . .
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:21 PM
Dec 2015

granted they knew each other from PBO's Chicago days, but couldn't he see what a jerk and, in my opinion, false Democrat Emanuel was (and is)? I don't get it.

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #10)

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
77. Yup
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

It's our inherent bullshit detectors that are being set off by Dem party luminaries and those they're trying to send to positions of power. Rahm's an ass - I doubt I could stand casual conversation with him - not that I'd ever seek to have such. I'll bet he had a BIG hand in developing the TPP & TIPP which would peg him pretty good as to just who's side he's really on.

AllyCat

(16,173 posts)
165. What does it say that he was on PBO's staff? Instead of hurling
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:09 AM
Dec 2015

"Non-Democrat" labels at Bernie supporters, how about addressing the issue? From the beginning, we knew PBO was a corporate man. And while he has done some great things, there have been some glaring gives to big business (TPP, mandatory private insurance, double down on testing in public schools-ESSA). He's not the progressive we needed, but has done more good than the alternative the oligarchs gave us in '08 and '12.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
23. oh please. anyone who questions another persons loyalty to their party is a repiblican
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

Its possible to dismiss his third waywardness and ignorant swinishness without their loyalty being questioned. No one brought Obama into this but you. Now we have loyalty tests administered by you? I'm an FDR dem. Does that make me satan too?

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
47. Looks like you didn't follow the thread ...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:14 PM
Dec 2015

In your response you stated:

No one brought Obama into this but you.


If you actually read the posts you would have seen ....

fleur-de-lisa posted this:

I've always wondered why Obama put him on his staff . . .
granted they knew each other from PBO's Chicago days, but couldn't he see what a jerk and, in my opinion, false Democrat Emanuel was (and is)? I don't get it.


hifiguy responded to fleur-de-lisa:

Birds of a Turd Way feather
tend to stick together. Vultures ARE birds.


Then I responded to hifiguy ...

See how that works?
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. i voted for the President twice.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:53 PM
Dec 2015

The first time with great hope and enthusiasm, the second time only because he wasn't Mittwit.

Dissatisfied customer here, and for many specific and easy-to-articulate reasons, none of which involve unicorns.

I feel free to criticize any and all politicians for rational policy reasons. I am a lifelong Democratic voter, not a fan-club member.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
68. I agree with you. I have never been a fan club member
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:30 PM
Dec 2015

and Obama has been a huge disappointment to me, my friends, and my family. All of us voted for him. We are all sorry we did.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
140. But I still really like him
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:31 PM
Dec 2015

I may have been let down by him, but I have no doubt that he is a very good and decent human being. I even think he's a darn good president who's been bamboozled not just by the GOP, but members of his own party. If Bernie wasn't running and Barack could run again, I'd vote for him.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
37. Why would Obama appoint a despicable chief of staff, with center-right policies?
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

It's a good question, along with other good questions about his corporate-friendly appointees, and whether that's what we were really voting for in '08....

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
55. It's still a good question, despite your refusal to answer it. And in democracies, questions are ok.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

Even questions about sitting Presidents.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
73. Ahh, now I understand
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:33 PM
Dec 2015

Any criticism of any kind, however rational = bashing.



Like I said, I am a voter, not a fan-club member. There IS a very substantial difference.

Cha

(297,026 posts)
212. No, you're cluelessly, rudely trying to broadbrush with ignorant cheap pot shots.. and
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:49 PM
Dec 2015

it's really not as funny as you think it is.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
97. I didn't see any "bashing" here.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:19 PM
Dec 2015

Simply questions.

We live in a democracy. We're allowed to question.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
117. So I take it you're okay...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:40 PM
Dec 2015

... with him appointing Goldman Sachs alumni, Summers and Geithner, doing diddly squat to rein in the despicable depreadtions of his Wall Street backers, and promoting a corporate coup d'etat in the form of the Trans-Pacific Partnership? I adored Obama when he was campaigning, and he has accomplished some good things, but I will NEVER forgive him for the TPP. That's final.

I am a Liberal down to my DNA, but "My Party right or wrong, my Party" don't cut it in a democracy. If someone - ANYONE - transgresses, they deserve to be called out for it.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
126. You've got an odd idea of what bashing is...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:12 PM
Dec 2015

if you don't like criticism the internet is probably not a good place to be.

.

LiberalArkie

(15,705 posts)
62. I think Obama owed a lot of favors to a lot of people. I think it is only the last
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:26 PM
Dec 2015

year or so have we seen Obama being Obama without the minders telling him what they want. He even seems a little more peaceful also.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
101. You could be right
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:35 PM
Dec 2015

although that wouldn't explain his aligning with Republicans to push push push for TPA/TPP a few months ago.

LiberalArkie

(15,705 posts)
102. I have thought for a long time that becoming a politician has to be a lot like
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:39 PM
Dec 2015

getting a loan from the mafia. No matter how many times you pay it back you are never really free.

LiberalArkie

(15,705 posts)
107. Yea, he started almost the bottom and worked his way up. That is the way it used to be done.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:52 PM
Dec 2015

It seems now that being a Senator is now the starting place.

When Bill Clinton first ran for US Rep against John Paul Hammerschmidt and barely lost was something in itself. But jumping in as Atty Gen was a surprise in Arkansas. That is usually done by someone being a Prosecuting Attorney first and before that a practicing attorney. So he had a big debt to make the jump he made. With only minor opposition in the primary and no opposition at all in the general election, Clinton was elected. He has always had interesting elections.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
108. The 1980 election against Frank White may have been a turning point
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

White rode in on Reagan's coattails, and the Democratic Party establishment blamed Clinton's loss on his being "too liberal". When he came back in '82, both he and (especially) Hillary had a more corporate look about them.

LiberalArkie

(15,705 posts)
111. I think at some point he got some big money from the Stephens and the Tysons, I
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:03 PM
Dec 2015

just can't remember which election he went begging.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
114. He got Stephens and Tyson money for his 1992 presidential bid
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 08:23 PM
Dec 2015

I'm not sure about his gubernatorial campaigns.

Interesting that both (Jackson) Stephens and Tyson apparently threw their support behind Bob Dole in '96, claiming that Clinton's presidential policies were damaging to Arkansas industries.

kath

(10,565 posts)
94. It's a VERY good question. People are judged by the company they keep, which is not at all
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

unreasonable.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
48. What you mean is that we don't act like republicans
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:14 PM
Dec 2015

because that's what your argument is, simply aping the eight years of republicans demanding that the (Republican) presidency be sacrosanct, above criticism, with all dissent voiced cast as "RINO," "disloyal,' "unamerican,' etc. Sadly a large number of Democrats seem to have taken the "if you can't beat 'e, join 'em" school of thought, and this is just one manifestation of that.

Obama's very much Third Way, in policy if not in signed-and-sealed membership to the actual group itself. Like it or not, Third Way is a political faction in our party. And like it or not, a sizable portion of the party's base isn't too enamored of that. So that means whether you like it or not, there are going to be criticism of the president and the Democratic Party, from actual Democratic voters, who get to have an opinion about the party and its figures.

And I'm afraid, sunnystar, that you don't get to declare people to not be democrats on basis of whether htey share your opinion or not.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
66. Actually, the problem is non-Bernie supporters not acting like Dems.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:29 PM
Dec 2015

If Rahm and the President acted like Dems, Bernie supporters would be behind them 100%.

As it is, we're behind the President when he acts like a Dem, and against him when he acts like a Republican.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
71. All of this.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

When it comes to horse turds like the Catfood Commission and the TPP we tend to get kind of grumpy.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
78. Oooh, please tell me what makes a good Dem?
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

Are we at that point that even criticizing Third Way politics or DINO actions doesn't make one a "good Dem"?

Ever think that demanding our elected officials act like Democrats might make one a good Dem?

This is why we can't have nice things. Turd Way or no way.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
79. So we must kiss every nominally conservative democrat's hairy ass
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

Or meet your wrath?

I'll take the wrath, please ...

Better yet, Ms. Sunny Person ... See ya never ... Gone

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
123. An honest progressive will take swipes at who ever deserves it. It's on the conservatives that
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 09:39 PM
Dec 2015

engage in idol worship. Rahm has been an asshole forever. Why would Obama choose him? Do you have an answer?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
138. So what do you think it says? I think it says that he owed Rahm for helping him get elected. nm
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:23 PM
Dec 2015
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
139. and Bernie supporters sure don't act like Dems.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:27 PM
Dec 2015

Not when you make up things that aren't actually there.

Man, reading between the lines when there is only one line! Clever boots!




See I could come back with "So you support Rahm!". But you already know how to play.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
207. Close but not quite right. I don't like DINO's. Anyone can call themselves a Democrat.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:35 PM
Dec 2015

It's another thing to expect them to adhere to Democratic values. Rahm is a shyster that calls himself a Democrat.

I can see how it would be easier to just go by the label and believe all Democrats are the same.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
50. I really like Obama (except for his excessive use of drones and a few other things)
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:17 PM
Dec 2015

but mostly I support him and was thrilled when a non-white guy won the presidency.

(And before anyone starts calling me names, I am an ardent Bernie supporter!)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
67. I was more excited about voting for him in '08
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:29 PM
Dec 2015

than I had been for any candidate since I cast my first presidential vote for Jimmy Carter in 1976.

When he promptly appointed HRH and Geithner, one of the arsonists of the Wall Street meltdown, I realized I had been royally chumped. A lot of us did.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
51. Didn't know about Penny's role. So Obama had his own billionaire backing him.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:18 PM
Dec 2015

Penny Pritzker is worth $2 billion and was Obama's finance chair in his 2008 campaign.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
54. That depends on the Food being offered..
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

The Third-Way Narco-Capitalism that Wall Street offers up isn't Food, it's Poison.

LuvLoogie

(6,971 posts)
153. President Obama called Rahm to be his COS, an offer Rahm couldn't refuse.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:43 AM
Dec 2015

I remember a quote from years ago after a pretty good night electorally for Democrats across the country. A reporter had asked Rahm if he had any Presidential ambitions, and he demured saying "No. My carreer is in the House." I think the young Congressman was thinking Speaker.

Years later, Barack got elected. It was the perfect time for Rahm to begin coalescing his powerbase while Barack's agenda was being advanced with Dems in control of both the House and Senate. Barack had other ideas.

The President saw Nancy Pelosi as his ally and Rahm as potentially setting up roadblocks or conditions to passing the Presidents's agenda. He wanted Nancy to be able to work without a potential rival in the House. As a result, I think the Progressive caucus are a stronger group than the Blue Dogs. Had Rahm still been in the House, I think the Blue Dogs would have had a bigger influence on the legislative agenda during President Obama's administration. I think it would have been harder to get the ARRA and the ACA passed with Rahm still in the House.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
197. Rahm was Obama's PERFECT Consigliori.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

Rahm.....The Gate Keeper!


None Shall Pass!!!!!....except those with lots of MONEY.

When Obama chose Rahm as CoS, I KNEW we had all been "had".
Hope & Change was nothing more than a campaign slogan that had little to do with his actual administration.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
22. I don't see him as savvy, smart of a chess player. I see him as a short man syndrome, big mouth
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:44 PM
Dec 2015

SOB type. Someone should have beaten him to a pulp when he was younger.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
162. Yeah, some of our greatest serial murderers were beaten to a pulp
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:44 AM
Dec 2015

When they were younger. I don't think violence and abuse teaches anything but violence and abuse.

AllyCat

(16,173 posts)
146. Wish this would have put him out of commission BEFORE the election.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:02 AM
Dec 2015

I donated to Garcia, but don't live there and couldn't vote for him.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
5. There is a reason why I voted twice against his Joe Pesci character wannabe crooked ass. Fuck
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:17 PM
Dec 2015

him and his cronies.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
9. A man on MSNBC before said he should resign and go work somwhere else. I agree, he...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:20 PM
Dec 2015

...will be ok without being the mayor.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
11. The eternal cynic in me tells me he'll be able to ride this out. But I've
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:23 PM
Dec 2015

never understood why he has to drag the rest of us down with his corrupt ass. Go be a fucking hedge fund manager or some shit.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. The Mob can always use a good crooked chiseler.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

with a smarmy shitbag personal style. Just a thought.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. Come on. The Mob knows better than to embrace Rahm
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

Kiss* him, yes, embrace him, no.

*Il bacio della morte

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
45. Yes. He is part of the Clinton/Obama in-crowd. He epitomizes the Democratic Party's in-crowd.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:12 PM
Dec 2015

He could care less about working people, about the poor, about the rights of people who don't look like him. And that is why I support Bernie -- because he cares about other people.

The Democratic Party in-crowd which Rahm Emmanuel exemplifies is not the Democratic Party.

They have own positions of power and hang out with each other. They could care about the real Democratic Party -- which is the ordinary people that turn out at the polls on election day.

Rahm Emmanuel should resign.

But I have to say that many of us are to blame that the Rahm Emmanuels own our Democratic Party. We don't join the Democratic clubs in our neighborhoods. We don't want to go to meetings. We allow people like Rahm Emmanuel to take over the political leadership. And I have to criticize myself with this statement because I have been unable to attend meetings due to family issues this year.

But if you possibly can, join together and MEET with Democrats who live in your community. We need to take our Democratic Party back. You can't do that unless you are willing to work within the organization and become a leader yourself.

We can do better than the Rahm Emmanuels of this world. You are part of the solution.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
52. If we have that misfortune, he will turn up in HRH's administration
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:18 PM
Dec 2015

as sure as eggs is eggs. A turd that bobs to the surface.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
106. Man has been an intregal part of two administrations that started with large congressional
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:50 PM
Dec 2015

majorities that evaporated within two years

Why in the hell would you want someone like that on her team
The man is toxic and he doesn't appear to be that bright

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Original post)

mucifer

(23,521 posts)
134. There are daily protests downtown often in front of the mayor's office
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:50 PM
Dec 2015

Medical students did a "die in" in front of his office stating they don't want to continue working on the bodies of kids coming to the hospitals. This is on local Chicago news every day.

I really get tired of people blaming the protesters.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
58. They're here, and have been for some time... there must be a lack of media coverage.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:23 PM
Dec 2015

From September-

Protestors run Mayor Rahm Emanuel off the stage at public budget meeting
Posted at 11:12 pm on September 2, 2015 by Twitchy Staff | 165 Comments

On August 31, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel held his first public budget meeting in four years and was met with a very hostile crowd consisting of Black Lives Matter Chicago activists and some hunger strikers.

Emanuel took the stage for Round 2 of the budget meeting tonight, and things went even worse for the mayor. The Chicago Tribune’s Bill Ruthhart was there among the chaos.

Hey, look: It’s Black Lives Matter Chicago.


November-

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/1134721/hundreds-protest-laquan-mcdonalds-deadly-shooting

December-

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/09/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-chicago-call-for-rahm-emanuel-resignation/

Just a few articles.

mucifer

(23,521 posts)
135. There is no lack of media coverage in Chicago.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:52 PM
Dec 2015

There might be nationally. Every day the protests are on the local news.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
15. he knee capped black voters by closing nearby schools
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:30 PM
Dec 2015

He apologized profusely during his re election campaign guaranteeing he learned his lesson. He lied.
I watched his whole speech yesterday. I can understand that he is under massive pressure, but he brought it on (all troubles) all by himself.

Worst of all is his close fiendship with our tea party governor.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
17. His problem lies in his tough politial operative abilities.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:34 PM
Dec 2015

HE played the politics completely internally between the police department and the city council. He lost sight of the people themselves and it all came back on him fourfold.

He's got no other choice. It's over. If he doesn't resign, he'll be recalled.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. he has no soul and he has no character. That is the root of his problems. No one with
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

either would bury a murder film. No one who lived in Chicago as long as him could do that and claim he didn't know about things. He knew. He just did the same as everyone else, colluded on murder.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
56. You know that video of Hillary in your signature line.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

Something always bothered me about that, and I just figured out what it is.

Hillary is mimicking Obama's gesture of wiping off her shoulder. That is supposed to suggest that she is just wiping an insult or a hurt or something intended to insult or hurt off of her like a duck shaking water off its back. It's supposed to suggest that she is unaffected or unperturbed by the insults and accusations being thrown her way.

But her face and the rest of her body communicate anger. They communicate that she is not at all relaxed in the face of the nasty criticism of her. She looks stiff and angry.

And that is why that video does not communicate the calmness that the gesture Obama makes and that Hillary is imitating at all. To the contrary, it communicates a sense of angry arrogance. That is one of the traits that makes Hillary so unappealing as a candidate.

That video says a lot. Hillary has a temper problem. And that is not good. Not good for her as a candidate. Not good for America's future should she be elected. Her temper is riled when SHE is attacked or criticized.

In contrast, Bernie's temper is riled when he sees injustice.

That short video of her pretending to wipe something from her shoulder captures the precise problem with Hillary and the reason that her negatives are so high. She should not be running for president. She does not have the temperament or lack of ego that job requires.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
163. GD SOP.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:37 AM
Dec 2015

Of course, your Sanders supporting buddies who host in GD constantly ignore the SOP to help remote your candidate.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
74. That condescending little gif has irritated the hell out of me, too.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

Thanks for managing to put it into words so well. To me it reflects her attitude to all who don't kowtow t her, though in that one instance it was justified.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
176. Also, she's imitating Obama wiping off the shit she threw at him in 2008.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015

Which adds a layer of irony on top of that arrogance.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
76. There's no IL legal mechanism for a mayoral recall...
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

There has been talk in the legislature of making it so, but man, that opens up a whole 'nother can of worms.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/illinois-democrat-proposes-bill-recall-chicago-mayor-emanuel

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
175. IL doesn't have a recall mechanism.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:28 PM
Dec 2015

One has been introduced in the statehouse, but it isn't law yet. And it's not clear it could be retroactive.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
20. Did Chicagoans really have faith in their government before this?
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 05:42 PM
Dec 2015

I'm not saying he shouldn't resign, but I'd have to see who the next mayor is before I could say it would restore any faith.

mucifer

(23,521 posts)
152. Our last mayor covered up police torture link below.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:07 AM
Dec 2015
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/07/3727519/chicago-police-burge-scandal/

Beginning in 1972, Burge and other officers under him would routinely torture mostly black suspects in Chicago Police Area 2 in order to elicit confessions. More than 120 people in total have since accused him and his crew of “midnight detectives” of shocking, beating, or suffocating them into confessing, often to crimes they did not commit.


For decades, Burge was able to continue abusing suspects without scrutiny, largely because Chicago officials turned a blind eye. It wasn’t until 1990, after reports appeared in the alternative weekly Chicago Reader, that there became growing momentum for disciplinary action against him. Amnesty International called for an investigation, but Mayor Richard M. Daley, running for reelection in 1991, was reluctant. Though he knew about the torture during the 1980s from his time as state’s attorney, he continued to ignore calls for an investigation when he became mayor.


But there was no video of it back then so we shall see how the current mayor does.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
98. he was on Farrakhan's TV show: he feels justified no matter how many braincases his cops empty out
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:23 PM
Dec 2015
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
43. "Already, an Illinois state lawmaker is starting the process to recall him."
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:10 PM
Dec 2015

So Illinois does have recall! Gov. Rauner (R-Left State Without Budget) should be next.

mopinko

(70,067 posts)
144. no, it doesnt. this is a misstatement.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:53 PM
Dec 2015

the lawmaker is proposing a bill to allow for a recall. we do not have it now. i gotta doubt this is constitutional.

mopinko

(70,067 posts)
179. actually, thanks to bloggo
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:37 PM
Dec 2015

we can impeach the governor. and i suppose this bill could stand, as that is the way it went down when they dumped him. passed a special bill just for him, then used it. so....

me, honestly, i dont lay this at rahm's feet. i doubt the cops kept him in the loop. i doubt they recognize his authority over them at.all.

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
206. rahm had seen the tape before the 5 million buck payout
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:26 PM
Dec 2015

and then fought the tape being released

if it was not for the foia requests winning in court that murdering cop would never have been charged

for anyone else this would be an obstruction of justice charge

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. I agree with this. About the only way he can get out of this mess is with support from some
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:24 PM
Dec 2015

leading lights within the community who can negotiate a path out of this situation.

He's going to have to do some horsetrading to regain some of that trust, and he will need some heavy hitters to help him.

If he comes out of this intact, he will owe people, and he'll have to be more accommodating.

If he doesn't come out of this, well, it will be an interesting time in Chicago, politically.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
70. Missteps? He purposely hid the video until he could no longer.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

He's been awful as a mayor, and now it's exposed that he's been corrupted. He must go.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
81. Shaedenfreude
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:45 PM
Dec 2015

I fully blame Rahm for making sure the promise of the Obama White house was shut. He was the imp whispering into Obama's ear, whose only regret was, in his own words, that he did not stop the president from taking on Health care. He is exactly the sort of "Democrat" that we need to outright throw out!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rahm-emanuel-begged-obama-not-to-push-health-care/

He then got his brother to help contain the benefits of what is let, a man who think people should die at 75:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/

Why, afraid your insurance companies will not be able to pay a bonus if too many make it to 80?

May Rahm be driven from the party, and may the wounds be inflicted by healed.

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Original post)

kath

(10,565 posts)
90. He richly deserves every single bit of the "trouble" he is in. Should be prosecuted for obstruction
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:02 PM
Dec 2015

Of justice, withholding of evidence, conspiracy to subvert the course of justice, or whatever US/Illinois terms apply. Throw the book at the asshole!

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
93. Anyone counting on him to resign in disgrace or be recalled are probably spinning their wheels.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

There's 3 ways machine politicians leave office in Illinois.

1) They retire because they've made sufficient money from payoffs.

2) They die. (natural causes or otherwise)

3) They get convicted of a crime and go to jail.


That's pretty much it in this state. Hopefully it'll be number 3 for Rahm. All we usually end up doing is replacing one crook with another.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
96. if h was republican he would not be in trouble because all those
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:19 PM
Dec 2015

llinois and nearby rw talk radio stations would be defending him instead of attacking him.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
105. The Chicago Tribune will be very upset
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:48 PM
Dec 2015

The republikkan rag has been his apologist and pom-pom cheerleader

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
128. maybe but
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:13 PM
Dec 2015

he can kiss his hopes of higher office and more influence in the Clinton administration goodbye. Hillary will not ruin her already "sterling" rep by trying to wipe the oil off that bird's feathers.

Now, if Clinton helps him, it will be yet another sign that she really really really does not want our votes.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
178. She won't put him in the VP slot, but there's plenty of positions filled after an election.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:34 PM
Dec 2015

She'll find a place for someone she has so much confidence in.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
131. I expect that Hillary will choose him as VP before it comes to the matter of re-election or recall.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 10:16 PM
Dec 2015

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
156. A VP slot
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:16 AM
Dec 2015

may not be the most strategic move Hillary could make. But I agree, he'll be kicked upstairs in some capacity. Maybe he'll get a plum assignment an an ambassador.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
166. Ambassadorships for politicians are pretty much dead-ends for a national career
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:30 AM
Dec 2015

So is being White House Chief of Staff which is why Emmanuel now exists as a local politician.

Running cabinet departments is mostly not step toward advancement in politics either. Typically, those departments are headed by people with executive experience and some knowledge in the department's portfolio. Mostly, the cabinet departments don't provide a lot of media exposure unless things go wrong.

This is one of the things that makes Clinton's campaign unlike others in my lifetime...which is to say, all the way back to Truman. I suppose one might argue that Sec State more regularly engages higher profile politics and that her tenure there was rather more political than engaged in development of nuts-and-bolts level policy.

Still, that's an uncommon path to the WH.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
205. I would hope to god she is not that stupid
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:16 PM
Dec 2015

but usually when I make that hope, someone turns out that stupid. At this rate I fully expect a rahm/Schultz ticket by 2024

mopinko

(70,067 posts)
145. no, the lawmaker is not starting the process to recall him. no such
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:55 PM
Dec 2015

law on the books here. the guy is proposing one now. it aint gonna go anywhere. and i cant imagine it would be constitutional.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
150. I notice all the smug "Rahm won because he was inherently superior to his opponent" posts
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:51 AM
Dec 2015

(with their accompanying derisive laughing smilies, seem to have vanished.

Chuy Garcia would have been worse than this HOW, exactly?

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
155. When he left th White House, Rahm
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:08 AM
Dec 2015

told the press that it had been his dream all along to be the Mayor of Chicago.

Now he is.

IMO, he hasn't been a very good one. If his approval rating is at 18 percent, it looks like I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
159. Raging egomaniacs are incapable of admitting error, let alone resigning
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:17 AM
Dec 2015

It's just not in their psyche.

Unless they can nail him for a felony or worse level crime, they're stuck with him for the remainder of his term.

And remember, folks, egomaniacs are big on revenge - why I've heard of examples where they even keep revenge lists stretching back for decades. Their need for revenge further fuels their pursuit of power.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
167. Bingo. He's got the same narcissistic personality disorder thing going on
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:39 AM
Dec 2015

that Trump possesses. The revenge thing is spot-on as well.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
164. Looks like it's a bad season to be a Third-Way DLC New Dem.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 09:46 AM
Dec 2015

Perhaps Democrats across the country are finally waking up to the fact that they've been hoodwinked and doubled talked for the past 3 decades by this unscrupulous bunch.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
168. Never liked him.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:25 AM
Dec 2015

A pox on all corporatists of any Party.

Rahm-bo (along with Geithner, etc.) showed the problems and hypocrisy of the Obama administration early-on.

k&r,

-app

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
170. I'm not defending Rahm, here, but...
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:50 AM
Dec 2015

...it's no easy task to reform one of the most powerful and historically corrupt police departments in the US. Police can get pretty persnickety when anyone tries to rock their boat.

You can nail him for his complete mishandling of the McDonald case and for being an asshole in general.

But expecting him to clean up the Chicago PD is like demanding that a six year-old single-handedly build a shopping mall before she's seven - and then taking all her dolls away if she doesn't do it.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
172. Nothing's gonna happen to Rahm
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:04 PM
Dec 2015

If Krispy Kreme is still walking around and going to Cowboys games on the state credit card then Rahm ain't going no where.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
189. Remember how Obama's DOJ went after Wall Street
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:36 PM
Dec 2015

More Kabuki theater by the Obama administration. Rahm is Obama's mayor and friend, moreso than his relationships with Wall Street.

Nothing is going to stick to Rahm. Even if they investigated one of his other cover-ups, the CPS no-bid scandal. This admin wants to exonerate Rahm.

When you hate on Rahm, remember this

Rahm is Obama's mayor.

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