Why liberal Muslims,ex Muslims, reformist Muslims dont criticize militant islam

[agnostic102]

or let me re phrase that.. we actually do.. and thats why were the ones they kill off first. You see, criticizing anything from islam if you live in a islamic country brings either the wrath of the government against you or wrath of your neighbors. What do you think happens when isis moves into your town? or al quida? or the mullahs in iran (as was in my case) you think the first thing they do is behead journalist on tv? Do you know how many innocent muslims were beheaded by isis or killed or sentenced to death like the poet in saudi arabia before this stuff ever gets to the west? Muslims, especially liberal muslims are on the front lines against these crazed lunatics.

A women in afghanistan recently was stomped, beaten, set on fire and for good measure her burnt body was thrown in the river. because she had a dispute with merchants sellers in her town who accused her of insulting the koran. By the way, this women did no such thing. They murdered her based on HEARSAY..

Did you know in irans revolutionary court if you are brought up on charges on apostatsy or any serous crimes the JUDGE is also the prosecutor? let me repeat that.. the JUDGE who has final say on the verdict is ALSO the prosecutor...

Now lets say we get away from the war, extremism, and we make it to the shores of america.. the best thing we can do here is live our lives and try to create a life for ourselves of hard work..small business and family. Then bam.. a terrorist attack happens and now were all suspect. We have to answer for these crazy bastards because our last names match.. or our skin color matches or the way we talk.

Okay back to criticizing militant islam or even islam/religion itself if you happen to be a apostate like me. what am i supposed to do? criticize islam or extreme muslims at a time when fascist people like trump are surging in the polls (atleast within hes party) and come off like i support trump, who basically wants to put a baynoet on my or families back walk us up to the beach and say "good luck swimming back to wherever you came from"

You know whats a great conversation starter or for that matter stopper? At a middle eastern family dinner while discussing politics is? Blurt out " i dont really think israel should be destroyed" want to know how that little gem goes over? You know the MOST politically correct statement that followed in that debate was? "if the jews had picked florida to create a state instead of israel, things would be a lot easier for everyone" That was the nice one i can repeat here.

So now your past the extremists from your home country, The racist stormfronters in this country, one who might win the presidency, the bigoted or ignorant family members in your own family and you have reached the promise land.. Talking with intellectual people, who believe in womens rights, for gay rights, for a womens right to choose. Who champion freedom and progressiveness and your conversation is going great. Finally someone who agrees with you until they dont.. You see you criticized one step to far and now the conversation ends because you are now an islamophobe. Because posting on facebook that marrying women off at the age of 12 or 14 (my mom was married off at 14) should be banned in islamic countries because i consider that rape. The word rape was too much.

Apparently i was being too culturally insensitive against my own culture? so said a facebook female friend from high school whose troubled and hard life of partying, getting a bmw for her 16th birthdayand reining from the hardknock life of newport beach california apparently made her expert on islamic law. You see, she had solidarity after all. Her picture had the french flag draped over it.

So where is my home?

This poet is no different then me. I was just lucky enough to escape. This man is on the front lines. And whose there to save him? who is there to stand shoulder to shoulder with him? Hes fellow muslims hate him and are going to kill him in hes country of saudi arabia. The trump and hes followers want to kick him out if he even did escape and made it here.. and will the poeple in the west change there facebook pictures to hes picture once the wahhabis in saudi arabia murder him? Want to know how much people changing there facebook picture means to you as you are being carted off to the center of town to be beheaded?

This is hes picture if anyone cares.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/world/middleeast/saudi-artists-death-sentence-follows-a-string-of-harsh-punishments.html?_r=0

[patsimp]

1. thank you for sharing. I think we are doing a very big disservice to the moderate muslims by not

recognizing how virulent and powerful the more extreme elements are - and how numerous.

it is not a few bad apples

[agnostic102]

3. well

overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful. I have large large middle eastern family. You know many of whom are muslim. Want to know how many suicide bombers we have had in our family? ZERO. but when we are attacked from every single direction. where do we turn to?

[Warpy]

7. Out of the many Muslims I've known throughout a very long life

as neighbors, coworkers, patients, and friends, only one of them has turned into a violent hothead and he went home to do his worst, he never threatened a single American, and that was 50 years ago.

Except for the avoidance of pork, most of them have been indistinguishable from garden variety Presbyterians. They're ordinary, reasonable people trying to get through life the best they can.

[roguevalley]

16. the extremists of every religion get the press. the moderates and other good

people get the shaft. This was a great op. Another thread says 70,000 imams stood against terrorism at a meet up. You won't hear about that either.

[smirkymonkey]

2. Thank you for explaining this.

Great post!

[treestar]

4. I just finished reading "I am Malala"

I hear you. Americans aren't in much danger from the extremists where other Muslims are.

[agnostic102]

6. Malala

Is the light in the islamic world. I promise you, if the islamic world ever have leaders like malala and the extremist cant get to them. They will transform the middle east into beautiful bright shining culture.

[msongs]

5. exclusionary religion must destroy non believers and apostates even unto death

because, to mix metaphors, once it is revealed the emperor/messiah has no clothes, the power base will crumble and believers disavow the cult

[JI7]

8. based on what you say it looks like many don't want criticism

[agnostic102]

10. JI7

but what is the benefit of criticism. If you feel alone in this world? Criticizing islam in the middle east will get me jailed or killed.. being from the middle east gets me deported if trump had hes way.. and being critical of islam can make you sound islamophobic with all the hyper sensitivety because of the idiots like trump. who by the way not only wants to deport us middle easterners.. but mexicans too.. basically anybody that doesnt look like him..

But i ask you this and please be honest.

If the poet from saudi arabia had written hes feelings on what he truly thinks of islam ON THIS FORUM. would he have hes post hidden and or account banned? an honest and sincere question. and IF its true that would happen. wouldn't that be essentially an online form of death sentence atleast on here?

Well this man who is far far more braver then ill ever be did it in saudi arabia and hes going to pay for it with his life. The reason i post about this and i might come off angry or upset is because i see my self in hes face.

[JI7]

12. i agree about those countries . but I'm talking about the united states

And things like not wanting the term rape to be used when talking about marrying off little girls.

I come from a hindu family although I'm atheist and i have always criticized and ridiculed that religion and never feared for my life or even just being shunned for it.i have done it inside the temples itself also. And even in India.

So what I'm saying is there will be some who are sensitive over things. But at least with those close to you and who know you in places like the united states you should be able to say anything without worry.

[agnostic102]

13. I completely understand what you mean

because essentially im calling my own father a rapist. a man i love and adore dearly =( he was 24 my mom was 13 going on 14th.

[JI7]

14. cultures can change for the better

You example if ages being married off happens in many cultures including india.and india has a huge rape problem and other issues where women are treated horribly.

But i guess the thing is people can recognize why it's better not to do certain things anymore without seeing it in such a personal way. I don't think it's calling you dad a rapist to oppose marrying girls that young these days.

The United states itself has such a huge problem with the gun culture .

People like trump are bigots and it's important to remember he started of with going after hispanics. And there is the double standard of many to be outraged if the killer is a minority but nothing if is a white guy.

[closeupready]

9. Why should they, if they aren't so inclined?

To repeat something that has been posted many times before, nobody demands that Catholics generally must denounce Westboro Baptist Church. Nor that Donnie and Marie Osmond denounce their church for its lobbying activities in favor of Prop 8.

[agnostic102]

11. The westbor baptist church

should be condemned every chance at ever turn. Which is why they are a fringe group of extremists.. The westboro bastist version in my country? they are the judge, jury and executioner.

[treestar]

15. Yes, I think the demand is made to shore up

the right wing's constant insistence that Muslims are all supportive of the worst terrorist acts and gin up the desire of the nation to go to war against them. When in reality, it is the ordinary Muslims most likely to be victims of the extremists.

[LittleBlue]

17. K&R

Thanks for that

[MisterP]

18. "are we being too soft on wicked, sinister foreigners? find out at eleven!"

[sibelian]

19. ... :/

It sounds like a completely impossible situation. What would happen if the Westboro Baptist Church became an emorous political party and won the presidency?