So in the Old West

[Gman]

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The sheriff confiscated guns. You had to surrender your gun when you rode into town. The sheriffs knew confiscating guns worked to reduce gun violence. And no one whined about the founding fathers and the 2A.

Sure there were still shootings. But not what it could have been.

Just sayin.

[gwheezie]

1. The myth of 2A

Guns have been restricted and regulated from the start of this country. I've had arguments with people who insist the framers and early government did not infringe on gun ownership.

[jwirr]

5. You are correct. In fact the 2A calls for regulation. "A well

regulated....."

[TeddyR]

6. The Second Amendment

States that a militia that is properly trained -- i.e., "well regulated" -- is necessary to the security of a free state. A quick Google search will point you to plenty of articles that explain that "well regulated" meant "well trained" or some equivalent at the time the Second Amendment was drafted. To interpret "well regulated" to mean "heavily regulated by the government" doesn't even make sense. For example, using that definition:

A militia that is heavily regulated by the government being necessary to the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[jwirr]

8. I left off the militia part because I was emphasizing the

part that tells us that firearms should be regulated. The Congress at this point are not doing their job. They are allowing us to own military weapons, buy with no background checks, etc.


Our National Guard has replaced the militia of private owners and is regulated. The 2A was written when weapons were very simple and almost all men not only knew how to use them but also owned them. What they did not know was how to fight as a unit - a militia. The training definition refers to this. It does not imply that government can have no regulations regarding guns and gun safety.

[beevul]

12. 2A doesn't call for anything.

2A restricts only government, and authorizes or 'calls for' nothing.

Authority over the militia was granted to congress in the constitution, not the bill of rights.

[world wide wally]

2. That's how Wyatt Earp cleaned up Tombstone

[JonathanRackham]

3. Only temporary confiscation; technically sequestration.

They were handed back on the way out of town.

This policy would be good for Chicago, LA, NYC. Gang members could turn over their Uzis and Aks on the way into town and pick them up on the way out.

[jwirr]

4. In the Old West this was not done in every town and they

got their guns back as soon as they rode out of town. No one went into their homes to take their guns.

That said I think you have hit on a solution. Let cities make the decision regarding guns in their own community. However I do see a problem with this - imagine Ferguson MO and St. Louis MO. Discrimination.

[Duckhunter935]

7. I guess

That will work for abortion also.

[jwirr]

9. I really do not see the implied connection between guns and

abortion. How is owning a gun the same as controlling some else's body?

[hack89]

10. Either constitutional rights are universal or they are not.

that is the connection between the two.

[Gman]

13. WTF?

[hack89]

11. I have no problem making the criminals turn in their guns.

you could set up police check points thought out the city to make it easy.

[TexasTowelie]

14. Locking thread.

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