Having posted both at Discussionist and DU for some time now...

[sibelian]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by LostOne4Ever (a host of the General Discussion forum).

... on and off on BOTH sites...

I can tell you that I was frankly appalled, though not at all surprised, at the admittedly rather small number of self-interested Norma Desmonds from here who flounced in at Discussionist and instantly declared the entire board to be beneath them with their noses a mile in the air rather than engage directly with the individuals who had expressed sentiments not to their liking. Pretty much everyone else on Discussionist was revolted as well, and rightly so.

Discussionist itself isn't really anything like DU, and it isnt supposed to be.

Very interestingly, there are now threads on Discussionist posted by CONSERVATIVES announcing an almost protective respect for DI liberals and their contributions as opposed to the attitudes displayed by the "average DUer".

http://www.discussionist.com/1015661267

I can't say I'm particularly surprised by that, either, although I do think there's a tendency among some DI conservatives to tar the entirety of DU with the same brush.

This isn't really how it's supposed to happen, is it, DU? They're supposed to be the Bad Guys.

They can be a rowdy bunch over there, but there's a whole pile of playground rules in that sand pit that don't apply here.

1. Rudeness is just rudeness and no-one's expected to think it's anything else.
2. If you don't make your case, you haven't made it. It's nobody's responsibility but yours.
3. Emoting about someone else's opinions means you've had emotions about it. That's it. Nobody cares.
4. If you actually DO make your case, generally speaking, people will respect you for it and stick to the subject.
5. People will actually concede points if you play straight and tell the truth.
6. Sometimes people change their minds. Really.
7. If you go away and come back....

... people are pleased to see you. Genuinely!

I've always found it an excellent forum for forcing me to present my case. I don't really get to post lazy tribalism.

There's not really any way of getting around this, DU isn't the way it used to be. There have always been people here who are here for the flamewars and spend their entire time here posting roffley smilies and expressing disdain. We all know who they are. It's no use for anything. They are no use for anything, either. There's been comments here regarding the nastiness of the conservatives at DI, well, as far as I'm concerned there are people posting on this site considerably more twisted, snobby, bad-mannered and unpleasant than the rudest conservative on DI. That's not something I expected to find out.

I'm VERY glad that I DID find it out. My "tribe" is not what I thought it was. I hope that at least some of the folk using this site as a lightning conductor for pent-up agggression rather than as a place to discuss politics have forgiveable reasons for doing so.... but in the end I'm not that bothered any more.

I'm very attached to the people on DU that inspire me and make me think, and there are very many of them... but the site itself? Not so much, not these days. Sorry. There's really just too much mess. The good members, which make up the vast majority, are constantly drowned out by the snotmongers.

There are no status games on Discussionist. If you like the idea of actually talking to people and listening to them, Discussionist will accomodate you. You won't get agreed with all the time, but you won't get kicked off for saying the wrong fucking WORD. All you have to do is take responsibility for yourself. Abandoning responsibility for your emotions and pretending it's other people's fault doesn't work there.

A considerable number of hghly active and extrmely well-informed and productive posters have left DU over the past year. Perhaps its time to think about why.

[darkangel218]

1. Well said, thank you.

[HassleCat]

2. I had a rude shock, too

"My tribe is not what I thought it was." Good way to put it. I posted something here a month ago, and got such a horrible reaction I bailed out for two weeks.

[sibelian]

103. Yes.

We're not very friendly around these here parts these days.

[Hoyt]

3. Racism, warmongering and callousness are considered virtues on the Discussionist.

[pintobean]

7. And, you got PPRed over there.

Go figure.

[Hoyt]

9. Because I don't like racism, warmongering and callousness.

[dumbcat]

14. No, because you created a sock

after being given a time out due to your stance on guns.

[Hoyt]

19. Guns are correlated with racism, warmongering and right wing callousness, especially on forums

like DI.

[Lizzie Poppet]

23. And doubtless much is made of that correlation...

...by people who don't understand how correlation works.

[Hoyt]

73. Funny. Gunners think crime is down because they've armed up and strap gunz on to go to the store.

[lobodons]

27. +1000

Couldn't agree more. I would also add that gun nuts are domestic terrorism enablers. (We cannot even begin to talk about gun safety legislation with these guys.)

[pintobean]

33. You were less civil than those you're hatin' on.

You made things more difficult for the liberals there.

[Hoyt]

66. Wasn't there long enough. But you are free to play nice with them if you like.

[Hoyt]

66. Wasn't there long enough. But you are free to play nice with them if you like.

[saturnsring]

4. me too - i post there as well but i didnt and dont see the same thing going on as you do

it's little more than a yahoo comment section

[sibelian]

21. Whut, Yahoo's WAY nastier!

Really??

[saturnsring]

26. yea perhaps that's a bit hyperbolic but if it is better it's not by much

[sibelian]

60. Well, I seem to manage OK.

I do make a specific effort to address content, not emotional overtones, not just there but here too, unless it's very obvious that my interlocutor has no goal in mind other than engaging my attention for the sake of hearing their own voice.

I distinguish between uninvited rudeness and rudeness in kind. I try to be quite careful about that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. Agree

What a cesspool.

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. I was treated poorly on DI ...

Despite, never having posted there.

It is not a space I will visit, again.

[doc03]

6. DU anymore is a circular firing squad with Hillary and Bernie people sniping

at each other. Then you have your groups that nobody is welcome unless you march in lockstep. If someone
disagrees they either get banned from the group or they alert the jury. It sure is not what it was back in 2003.

[Fumesucker]

10. DU was a circular firing squad long before Bernie and Hillary

Although I find it telling that it's largely the same people I have been in conflict with all along who I am still in conflict with over Hillary vs Bernie, some things never change.

[doc03]

13. It got pretty bad in 2008 Hillary and Obama people. In the end I

voted for Obama because he was our nominee. After 7 years of Obama
I still believe Hillary would have been a far better choice.

[bvar22]

37. DU was fairly coordinated and in agreement while Bush was in the White House.

There were a few Centrists who cheered Hillary/Kerry etc. for turning their backs on the Dem Majority and joining with the Republicans to help get the WAR going.

The amazing revelation for me was that when the White House changed hands from the Republicans to the Democrats,
some members started cheering when Obama did the same things we screamed about under Bush.
Some here were absolutely seamless at changing from Strong Opposition to Full Support...
overnight, because.....OBAMA.

I never could figure that out.
It is impossible for me to forget about the values I have always honored.
For me, WRONG is WRONG no matter WHO sits in the Oval Office.
That is not true for all of DU.

[zeemike]

51. It's not that hard to figure out

When you create identity politics the focus of attention is on the charismatic leader not moral principles.
It is how you control people and get them to go along with things that are not in their best interest.

[mike_c]

53. ^^^THIS^^^

eom

[navarth]

62. quite so. nt

[Jesus Malverde]

75. Yep..nt

[Scuba]

84. Bingo! And those followers will then give blind devotion to that leader.

[virginia mountainman]

118. Great comment..eom

[Prism]

57. Ayep

The people I mostly didn't care for before the primary are generally the same people I don't care for during. The fact is, there are a lot of Democrats on DU who just plain don't care for liberals.

Go figure.

Although, it is odd. Some people I really didn't like for being super protective of President Obama are actually Sanders supporters this time around. That surprises me a little bit, and I'm not entirely sure what dynamic is at play there. I think part of it is that Obama was the more liberal choice in '08, and perhaps those people will gravitate towards the more liberal choice this time around. But, I'm definitely still wrapping my head around agreeing with people who I've wrestled for the past eight years being on the same page in the primaries.

[stopwastingmymoney]

85. It is odd

I'm one of those you speak of, early Obama supporter 8 years ago, member of the BOG, all that. I scratch my head over the ones who are suddenly rabid Clinton supporters, I don't get it.

I was more liberal than Clinton then and I still am, simple.

Plus I'm an Econ and Business geek and I want this crap cleaned up!

[TexasProgresive]

17. I am spared that since I took my own advice and trashed GD-P, Clinton and Sanders forums.

DU has become much more pleasant.

[donco]

38. I cant post

in the Bernie group and i am a contributor to the SANDERS 2016 CAMPAIGN.go figure?

[rpannier]

42. Join the club

Maybe we should start a new group Bernie Sanders Supporter Group for People Who Got Kicked Out of the Sanders Supporters Group

I was miffed because they didn't give me any reason why

[donco]

45. I was kicked

because i said that...both the Hillary group and the Sanders group on DU were acting like little children.No biggie.

[bvar22]

54. I got banned from the Hillary Group,

and to my knowledge, have never posted there,
not that I would want to.

[Hiraeth]

68. You have to post at least once. That is the only way to get blocked. The option to block shows up on

the post itself. Only the hosts can see the option. Kinda like how we see the alert option on every post.

[doc03]

106. I was blocked too not really sure and really don't care. I guess I

voiced disagreement about something. Same goes for the environmental group. If you aren't totally in agreement on climate change you aren't permitted to post there.

[Inkfreak]

43. You got that right.

The endless sniping about Bernie & Hillary make DI a breath of fresh air. Even if I disagree with them, at least it's not so damn repetitive.

[Fumesucker]

8. I think a lot of us found out after 1/20/2009 that our tribe was not who we thought

I'm like you, if it weren't for some of the personalities on DU I wouldn't be here any more either.

[MerryBlooms]

11. I spent the weekend on DI and I was treated well... I have no complaints.

However, I stayed away from the posts I disagreed with most and didn't go looking for a fight. I posted in the lesser traffic forums, and stayed away from News and Politics. There are some very nice people there. There are people who I wouldn't and didn't, give the time of day... I do the same here. It's just another message board. Although, I did get jury call more often there than here... which surprised me, as I have less than 200 posts on that board. I will try to post there more, but will follow the same pattern as I did this weekend. This time of year especially, who needs more aggravation or stress?

Edit to add- I'm BeautifuStems on DI.

[marble falls]

44. Rules I use here, too. DI is too much of a knife fight for my tastes. And I stay away ....

the Christian/atheist hair-pulls and most of the gun control threads here.

[Chemisse]

79. I enjoyed it over there over the weekend.

The people - even the conservatives - were nicer than I thought they would be, and I enjoyed some fairly respectful conversations. I plan to visit regularly.

[tammywammy]

111. I did the same

Which is similar to how I post here too.

[leftofcool]

12. Anywhere tea party people post is nowhere I choose to be.

[sibelian]

25. I am not afraid of Teapartiers, nor am I concerned of what they think of ME.

My interest is in establishing WHAT they think and WHY they think it and why I DON'T and explain why as courteously as I can. If they don't pay me the same courtesy, they may be on their merry way, as will I, but I have no reason to suppose they can't discuss their position with me, nor am I so bound up in myself that I will confuse my reactions with their intentions.

I do not regard conservatives of ANY kind as "other". I regard liars, hypocrites, grandstanding morons, selfish jerks and flouncing prima donnas as "other". These kinds are available everywhere, and I'll be damned if I don't end up doing it myself, sometimes. Echo chambers will do that to a guy. I'm tired of it.

[navarth]

77. well spoken nt

[pablo_marmol]

112. Very, *very* well said! NT

[magical thyme]

15. well said. one thing that has surprised me about DU, that doesn't happen at all at DI,

is the number of people here at DU with whom I share personal passions who seem to have recently put me on ignore, apparently because I support a different candidate than they do.

That never happens at DI. We can disagree vehemently on candidates, issues and policies, but let there be an abused animal post, and everybody comes together. Or easily enjoy each other's humor over in Fun. Or offer emotional support and ideas if somebody runs into a problem.

[sibelian]

99. Exactly. I think there is a baseline of *common decency* there.

I certainly sense it, at least.

Not "having the right opinions", which as far as I'm concerned is a completely different thing.

You know what, I think that baseline is missing from a lot of online forums. Discussionist is a little odd in that respect, particularly given that it's composed of members who are supposed to be ideologically at each other's throats.

[haikugal]

16. Thanks for this post. nt

[mindwalker_i]

18. "Snotmongers," I like that

DU has become a "safe place," but unfortunately that, too often, means having to allow stupid things that people say to go unchecked. Discussionist is good for having to state a case carefully, as you said, rather than just replying with a rofl. It's interesting to see how other people think, sometimes it's quite appaling like how at least some conservatives have no problem with torture, essentially because it makes them feel good. However, "sticking with one's tribe" allows for the worse inbreeding to not only go unchecked, but to be celebrated.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. The problem with safe places is that it makes you feel entitled...

... to never having your issues challenged - or accepting the responsibility of challenging others.

[sibelian]

95. There's a whole BUNCH of problems with them mostly stemming from a desire

to actually keep the place "SAFE".

Safe from WHAT? It doesn't make any fucking sense. What the hell in life is "safe"? Where has anyone ever been safe?

"Safe" becomes a cipher for a whole pile of other processes that no-one has any real right to at all, and never has had, ever, namely, "I'm allowed to think what I want" (nobody's actually DISALLOWING you from that, petal, but if you react reflexively as if they are, you sure are going to piss them off), "This is MY space as much as anyone else's" (and if it doesn't turn out the way I like the rest of you in his safe space you're all at fault), "Anybody outside this safe space is... gasp!!! UNSAFE!" (nothing more than revolting, naked prejudice)...

I've seen all this happen in pockets all over the gay community. It's one of the reasons I decided it wasn't particularly worth my while defining my social life solely around gay people. It got really bad in the community I was a part of when I was helping to organise a national conference on bisexuality in the UK, I got in with that crowd and eventually had to run away screaming from the endless status games they were playing with each other to see who fitted in to the safe space most approrpiately, and EVERY kind of revolting, selfish, screechingly ugly poison would come out at the earlist possible opportunity. All over who respected the "safety" more. AWFUL.

I've seen it countless times, any time any one group decides it is the One True Group That Secretly Understaaaaaaaands, they cuddle together and start stabbing each other. Over and over again. It's starts out as a way of feeling good about themselves and morphs in short order into a way of feeling better about themselves than each other. It's horrible. It seems to be inescapable, as well.

[mindwalker_i]

108. Nicely put

You said it better than I did and captured my thoughts exceptionally well.

I can understand that people who have been systematically persecuted would want a safe space. I would be willing to respect that if it didn't tend to grow into a monster blob and gobble up everything in its path. However, staying in a safe space prevents growth of either those who were persecuted or the rest.

[MattBaggins]

93. Sibellia is a snotmonger himself

He uses flowery speech but still talks down to people and treats them like children.

Look back at some of his posts on Feminist issues and you will see the snotmongering misogynist we all came to love.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. I tried DI for a while

before the weekend, I found the place not to be to my taste, I prefer to do FB to be honest.

But FB can be just as challenging, something that this place at times lacks.

As to DI, it has to do with a few cavers early in the site's history. I really did not look back to be honest after that. But it is not the site, just a few people. IF I went to post there, I would have to do the same thing I have done here. No, not ignore, just a list of people I avoid here like the plague.

[retrowire]

22. I went to the discussionist out of curiosity

And thought... NOPE. So i never went back. lol

[sibelian]

29. I've got no problem with people who don't want to post there.

It's the people who characterise the entire board according to the content of a relatively small number of conservatives that irritate the crap out of me, because I don't think Discussionist works like that. I realise to some extent I've done that characterisation somewhat with DU in the OP above, but I really think the small number of posters that disrupt here are far more effective and genuinely spoil the entire place. I don't feel that I have to worry about what anyone thinks about what I post on Discussionist beyond my having to defend specific points, I know that here the situation's quite different, there's genuine bullying on DU, IMO. I'd rather not have to put up with that. Nobody has to engage with any discussion they don't want to, obviously. But I think it's worth it.

[retrowire]

32. I totally support you though

in regards to telling people to get their heads out of their asses and not be so high and mighty.

[lobodons]

28. After spending the weekend at DI it became obvious

that DI conservatives are not used to being confronted with facts.

[sibelian]

30. Yes, they are. In fact, the thread I linked to...

... posted by a conservative, specifically mentions the propensity for DI's liberals to bring facts to the discussion, and his preference for it.

And they're quite happy to being up their own. Please don't say things like that, hm? It's not really true.

They may have an interpretation of the facts that differs from yours, but then it's up to you (or me, possibly, sometimes) to actually explain our interpretation.

[muriel_volestrangler]

61. I find they rarely bring up relevant facts, and frequently bullshit

particularly on the subject of climate change (and I have posted there a fair amount - a little more than you). And they are rarely willing to have a discussion that involves facts on climate.

I find the most tedious aspect is the threads posted to annoy liberals (endless strawman "why do liberals ..." threads, for instance). The most worrying aspects are the love of killing, and the bigotry (which, when it comes down to discussions of ISIS, or Islam in general, makes a conversation with them a painful, pointless, ugly mess). They are far worse than most non-American right wingers at having meaningful conversations (about as bad as UKIPers, I reckon).

[sibelian]

98. Well, yes, but so do LIBERALS post "why do you silly conservatives do X" threads, muriel.

And if I recall correctly it was one of the liberals on that site that actually started that trend!

I agree it's irritating, but I don't think it's at all a purely conservative sin.

Climate change I'll certainly give you, there's some over there that just don't buy it.

I've seen a couple of guys over there who bluster about wanting all Muslims killed, these guys are small in number. I've seen people posting HERE suggesting that gun confiscation resulting in a civil war with conservatives would then very helpfully rid us of a lot of conservatives. I don't see the difference, I'm afraid.

[Dont call me Shirley]

31. I browsed DI this weekend and got bored...

[PatrynXX]

34. that jury system did it

don't agree with something bonk see ya like never. like a backwards Faux. X_X we only wanna hear or read what we wanna read.


I tried but it was too disorganized. like Free repuke which is much worse. I'd take this Discussionist site over that anyday simply because Freeper is idiotic. and morbidly outdated

[donco]

35. What he said.

[shenmue]

36. Too many young libertarian morons from 4chan

I do not feel sorry for them.

[Jesus Malverde]

78. Not enough boomer memes over there eh?...nt

[Autumn]

39. If the format there was like this one I wouldn't bother

with this place. There were some there I found to be, I won't say uninformed but rather the my party right or wrong type just like many DUers here. Some of them I prefer to the conservative third way democrats that post here, and on the whole a rather nice experience.

[sibelian]

58. Yes, I've always appreciated the input of the articulate conservatives over there.

The propensity of tribalists over HERE to paint them all as mouth-breathing Palin-worshippers is just straightforward prejudice. It drives me potty, how can you possibly expect other people to take your ideas seriously if you don't take THEIRS seriously?

A lot of the time people just haven't even heard the arguments or they have genuine counterarguments. Playing status games with them over addressing their content is totally pointless. I've never seen the need for it, or the appeal.

My experience of the conservatives on DI is that they are consistent in their requirement of reasoning. I may disagrew with their reasoning, but it's that reasoning that's always what's under the microscope, not their "nature" or how they "come across" not with me, anyway.

There are one or two cons that just poke but even the, they're just so incredibly less emotionally invested in the poking than the gamers here...

[Autumn]

83. On DU we post in a bubble. Just like real life there are people

from all parties there.

[joshcryer]

65. That doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Autumn]

81. That you are surprised doesn't surprise me in the least

[joshcryer]

87. They seem to enjoy their public hit lists, too.

[Autumn]

89. I didn't see one of those. nt

[joshcryer]

115. You didn't see the trumad callout thread?

Where they also made fun of a host of other DUers?

It was very much like the callout thread that was allowed in the Sanders group directly referencing me and bravnek.

[Kalidurga]

40. Discussionist is more representative of real life

There are slightly more conservatives there than in the US population and far more than in Minnesota's population. But, DU is very skewed to the left, this is of course correct since the site was created as a safe place for GW haters to unite.

So just like in real life I don't engage in shouting matches with Conservatives. I pick on them a bit. I respond to threads they start, but I don't engage in flame wars. I argue more with other liberals until we come to a consensus or agree to disagree. I have never in my life though no matter how mad been prone to calling people names. I can be rude, obnoxious, I might even yell, but I won't tell someone they are a a-hole unless they go very very far to earn that label.

So, anyway it made me sad to see people from here go to Discussionist and act like thugs. Yep I am just going to say it they acted like thugs. It was terrible behavior and I am glad you called them out on it while I just endured it.

[darkangel218]

55. +1000

[joshcryer]

69. And this sort of bipartisan crap is why they win.

They act like your buddy until they go into the voting booth and vote for the fascist.

[Kalidurga]

82. Yeah cuz being nice you your neighbors loses elections

[joshcryer]

86. Nope, underestimating their zeal to stab you in the back...

...makes the people getting stabbed in the back stay home.

[Kalidurga]

88. Do you have any idea what you are going on about?

[joshcryer]

90. Yes.

I don't trust bipartisans.

[Kalidurga]

91. Awesome

I bet your neighbors just love you.

[joshcryer]

114. I don't make it political with my neighbors.

But if they said anything bigoted I'd no longer be attending their BBQs.

Have fun palling around with people you are diametrically opposed to.

[Fumesucker]

109. Getting stabbed by someone you care for and trust is far more hurtful than by an enemy

You expect the enemy to try and cause you harm, not so your friend.

Someone stabbed in the back by a supposed friend is far more likely to become cynical and stay home.

[joshcryer]

113. Completely agreed.

Which is why this bipartisanship is totally insane. You're inviting someone to stab you in the back because you "recognize them as enemies but understand your differences."

[MADem]

41. People should go where they are celebrated, not where they are tolerated.

DI is a good fit for a lot of people, I have no doubt.

And for people who find those pesky "support Democrats for election" requirements here too difficult, it's a great option, as well.

[lumberjack_jeff]

48. That's the thing. I go to discussion boards to discuss - not to nod. n/t

[onehandle]

47. Discussionist is still a thing?

Meh.

[Inkfreak]

49. Nobody over at DI would consider me a Republican.

I am decidedly left leaning and my discussions with any RW'ers will reflect that. That being said, I find myself far more comfortable posting there, than here. I enjoy reading DU and have found so many intelligent thoughtful posters here. But lately, it's a battle of Hillary/Bernie supporters that just bores the shit outta me. So I post over there. I engage the RW guys often. Sometimes with snark, sometimes with just how I feel on a subject. There are about 5 posters that I feel are 1st class assholes. They enjoy being nasty. The rest are honest & friendly enough.

And not enough is said about the liberals who post there daily AND hold up their arguments well. They are ignored by those that want to declare their distaste for DI. I say..feh. Feh...I say.

[sibelian]

100. Feh, indeed, my dear Inkfreak.

Tis a sorry story we find ourselves in as 21st century lefties...

[MrMickeysMom]

50. Yep, I see that, and particularly agree with what you said here...

I don't really get to post lazy tribalism.

I just discovered this... shazam, right? I am posting on both boards. And, it's for the very reasons you put very well.

Thanks for getting me to see that, sibelian.

[rufus dog]

52. I posted a thread

Immediately got hit with bs by a couple of the high count conservative posters. After about an hour some serious conservative posters got involved.

It was actually better than I expected once I figured out which posters were a complete waste of time.

[tularetom]

56. How the hell do you have time?

I don't mean you personally, but anybody.

I'm retired, I don't have cable or satellite TV, don't get a newspaper and I'm lucky if I get an hour or two of time online on the average day. That counts time I pay bills, check my emails, visit a few Facebook pages to find out what my grandkids are doing, and check the local news outlets to learn what is happening around me.

The rest of the time I read, work on my antique gun collection, watch the occasional movie on Roku or DVD, or do work around the place.

I didn't even know DU was down until Sunday night, when I tried to access the site.

There's no way I could be active at more than one site.

[sibelian]

101. Well I DON'T really!

I should probably do something more constructive with my life! lol

[Marrah_G]

59. All I saw there was a bunch of Freeper-type posts

I suppose if I liked to argue constantly, that would be the place to go, but I don't.

[yellowcanine]

72. Me too, lots of Newsmax type stuff about Obama.

Lots of long discredited stuff such as Obama having a gay lover in college, etc. Real nasty shit.
I get that it is not DU, but a site which tolerates crap like that is no where I want to be.

[joshcryer]

64. I'm not convinced DI's liberals are really liberal.

There are Sanders supporters calling for Trump over there. I only saw conservative crap when I went, and some DUers trolled, but overall they were just anti-Clinton more than anything.

[Egnever]

76. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7447121

[joshcryer]

116. I mean, what liberals would vote Trump?

Really...

[hunter]

70. I'm always me wherever I am. Otherwise it's too difficult to keep track.

Can't say that's always been a positive feature of my professional life.



What are you trying to say?

It's polite to listen to random people, but actually learning anything from them is a rare experience.

Most especially if the only spice in their "real lives" is television news.

So many people living in "bubbles." I've always been too prickly for any bubbles. Often I'm just a prick.

I like to trade stories with people, especially stories about scars.

My favorite scars are of two sorts; those I acquired trying to do the right thing, and those I acquired as a moron.

The moron scars are easily transformed into funny stories, but in my half century living on this earth, I can turn the worst PTSD shit, those times I was trying to do the right thing and failed, into funny stories too.

I can be a bully. I've learned from master bullies, as someone who has been bullied myself.

My dearest family and friends will tell me when I'm a bully, or a moron, or off-my-meds psychotic.

Those are the most important relationships I've developed and cherish in this world.

[HughBeaumont]

71. Sorry . . . .

Until they lose their anarcho-capitalist boo-boos, I'm not wading in that hog waller any year soon.

[MeNMyVolt]

74. We know what you are. Have known it for some time.

[sibelian]

96. Good for you, I know what I am too. nt.

[Egnever]

104. Odd post

For someone that joined in November. Guess we don't know what you are anymore

[GGJohn]

110. He claims he's been here for 13 years,

yet his profile shows different.

Account status: Active
Member since: Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:57 PM
Number of posts: 251
Number of posts, last 90 days: 251

Guess he didn't know that his profile is there for all to see.

[Jesus Malverde]

80. Interesting thread...thanks..nt

[ronnie624]

94. So liberals and conservatives are basically the same,

only conservatives are nicer and more reasonable.

Got it.

[sibelian]

102. That's exactly the sort of deliberate misinterpretation of someone's words

that would be ripped to pieces without mercy on Discussionist, which is EXACTLY why I am coming more and more to prefer it over there than over here.

[ronnie624]

105. Of course.

You prefer the company of your ideological brethren.

You're pushing a false-equivalency meme, plain and simple.

[kcr]

97. No. Your OP doesn't come across as "snotmongering" at all.

I can see why you like that place and feel so drawn to defend it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

107. So who is your favorite poster from this group?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7362938

Still one of the best threads about the idiots at DI

[Rex]

117. The trolls at DI are interesting, but who cares really.

A lot of ex DUers there that are great at discussion. I ignore the trash, maybe take it out twice a week.

[LostOne4Ever]

119. Locking

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

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