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[kentuck]

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[Cosmic Kitten]

1. This kind of question or *discussion*...

will lead to Bernie supporters
being banned for TOS.

There is no *free speech*
at a privately owned web site.

Think before replying.

[LiberalElite]

3. This is why I am only

responding to you.
P.S. - looking for my Bernie avatar which has disappeared!

[trumad]

2. Great question for the BS'ers.

Probably won't get a straight answer from many.

[n2doc]

5. I would not.

Would you support HRC if she ran as an indy?

[brooklynite]

15. Name any Democrat who's said he wouldn't support Sanders if he won the nomination...

[n2doc]

24. One acronym- PUMA

HRC supporters have a history. Right now you all are confident of winning. Should that change, I fully expect a repeat of 2008.

[upaloopa]

28. I supported Obama in 2008 and 2012

This is not a rerun of 2008 no matter how bad you want it to be.

[Cosmic Kitten]

6. We can expect team Hillary to alert on every conceivable TOS violation

[pampango]

4. The answer is NO, though I don't think Bernie would go Third Party in a million years.

He is a committed Democratic Socialist. He knows that running as an independent would ensure at least 4 years of the exact opposite of Democratic Socialism. He is in the Democratic presidential primary to win, but also to inform Americans about the real causes and proven solutions to the rising inequality in our country. I am convinced that he does not want his legacy to be having made that inequality worse with the election of a President Trump or Cruz or whichever republican emerges.

[oberliner]

7. He had been Third Party for the past 30+ years

In fact, he is the longest-serving third party member in US Congressional history.

[pampango]

13. He is running in the Democratic presidential primary not as senator from one state.

He knows he can get elected in Vermont as an Independent senator. He also knows he cannot get elected as an Independent president and that going Third Party would lead to a President Trump or Cruz - something that running as an Independent senator in Vermont does not threaten.

[oberliner]

16. Understood

It is a very different situation, and I definitely do not believe he would run third party in this case if he does not get the Democratic Party nomination. But one of his claims to fame is his independence from the two-party system and his ability to be successful without being a member of one of the two major parties.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Not really. He was independent of party, not a member of a Party called Independent. No Party.

The better term for Bernie's long time status is non-partisan, of no Party. In the US, there is an Independent Party, being in that Party means you are not an independent and Bernie is not a member of that party nor was he, he was of no Party affiliation, caucused with Democrats exclusively.
To draw a very clear picture, Bernie has endorsed and or campaigned for Democratic Presidential nominees with full consistency while some even among his supporters have not done so, while some who are now with Hillary have not done so, while some of my associates have voted for an actual Third Party and some on DU did the same. Bernie voted for Al Gore. He also voted for Bill Clinton, and even Elizabeth Warren was still voting for Bush back then.

To be Third Party, there has to be a Party.

[DFW]

8. Bernie has said in no uncertain terms that he will NOT run a third-party campaign

I see no reason to mistrust his statement.

[Lee-Lee]

9. No, and I understand the way elections work enough to know its not possible even if I wanted to

I am in NC.

NC, like many other states, has a "sore loser" law that says if you are on the primary ballot and don't win you can't be on the ballot for the general election under a different party or as an independent.

So,it would be impossible for me to do so. He couldn't be on the ballot in that circumstance.

Of course anyone who understands how the system works knows that enough states have sore loser laws to make it impossible for someone running after losing primaries to win the Electoral College, and therefore knows that these questions and scenarios are pointless and unrealistic.

[Jester Messiah]

31. Eh, that's what write-ins are for.

Worked out for Murkowski up in Alaska, so it's possible.

[Android3.14]

10. WTF?

Talk about a trick question.

That being said, this move, unless the DNC/DWS stops fanning the flames, guarantees a fascist in the White House.

[kentuck]

17. I guess I could delete the post?

Would you recommend that?

[sufrommich]

11. "Free speech" rights have nothing to do with limiting

discussion on a democratic forum to democratic politicians. Skinner doesn't have the power to arrest you.

[LuvNewcastle]

12. If the Democratic Party splits, it will be

Debbie Schlitz who does it, not Bernie Sanders. If she sabotages Bernie's campaign, it will cost the Democrats a lot more than the election of 2016. The Dems will be a minority party for at least a generation if that happens. Somebody had better have a talk with Debbie. I don't understand why a Republican is head of the Democratic Party, anyway.

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. Nope, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that is.

I don't want a Republican in the White House; that trumps all other concerns.

[rogerashton]

18. No. I will vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party.

Bernie, Martin, or whoever. But is such a run even possible?
Apparently Pennsylvania has a sore loser law. It may not apply to a Presidential election -- but it is hard to get on the ballot. The Greens have a ballot slot -- but would they nominate him for the asking? It is not 2000 and Bernie is not Nader.

If there is a left third party nominee it will not be Bernie. The real question is, how many Berniacs would vote for Jill Stein or would stay home if Bernie is not the nominee? That's a matter of opinion and my opinion is: very few. Reasons for this have been given in an above post. Here is one more: the political revolution doesn't end with the presidential election. It goes on in a different way. Depending on the election results, this could be even more interesting.

Now, here's another question: would the Constitution party nominate Trump? Would they nominate an establishment candidate to run against Trump? Would either of those steps build their brand?

[Maeve]

20. Honestly, I can't see him doing it

Bernie cares too much for the US to put the country at risk of the nutzoids. He's a good man, not an egomaniac, an idealist but still a realist.

[kentuck]

21. I think you are right.

It just wouldn't be Bernie to do something like that. I would agree.

[99Forever]

22. Another lame attempt at a loyalty pledge.

What I do in the voting booth is none of your gawddamn business.

[kentuck]

23. Another personality disorder...

...drawing silly, paranoid conclusions.

[99Forever]

30. Ahhh bullshit.

Obvious is obvious.

[Jester Messiah]

32. They do love that little tactic.

It's about as hard to see through as a screen door.

[99Forever]

33. It's a passive/aggressive thing.

They think they are being sly.

[madokie]

25. Why even bother to ask that

jimminee cricketts

Some of the things posted on DU

[magical thyme]

26. unrec. there is no *legitimate* reason that this is "a subject for discussion" nt

[demmiblue]

27. Unrec. n/t

[Katashi_itto]

29. Nice to know your so "Concerned" about what we Bernie supporters will do.

[Katashi_itto]

34. Why worry about what Sanders supporters do? She's Inevitable rememeber?