Wisconsin residents weigh in on Obama's timidity in visiting WI to campaign for Barrett:

[brentspeak]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/21/obama-and-dnc-wisconsin-strategy-dangerous-to-re-election-effort/

Obama And DNC Wisconsin Strategy Dangerous To Re-election Effort

(reader comments)

Rick, I couldn’t agree with you more. I live in Wisconsin, born & raised, and have been involved with the Walker recall since the beginning. Rest assured there are a lot of women, women who went through the sixties, who are very upset with the GOP mess here in our state.

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For many women here, we are definitely unhappy that Obama & the DNC have not supported us. I fear Obama will lose these votes and will not carry Wisconsin in November – bad political strategy on the Dems part.

I am afraid for our future as this is the beginning for other states. I am so disappointed that we’re moving backward instead of “forward,” our state motto.

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I also am a Wisconsin native, and a woman, who’s pushed and rallied and fought for this recall. I understand reluctance to support recalling a governor who has–technically–not broken a law, but his fascist moves and sneaky deceits, harm to the environment, unions, collective bargaining, EDUCATION, BadgerCare…it’s been a mess, and his millions from corporate and special interest groups allow him to bathe us all in his lies wherever we turn. Barrett has no chance of winning if media exposure is the gauge…I’m disappointed in the DNC and Obama and may withhold my vote in November. The President’s done us no good in the past two years; we needed him and he hasn’t come through. At all.

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[PeaceNikki]

1. Anyone who's had boots on the ground is aware that OFA resources are working hard here in the recall

[brentspeak]

3. Funny, you don't seem to know what you're talking about

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/14/1091563/-Scott-Walker-recall-has-Wisconsin-Democrats-frustrated-with-lack-of-national-party-support

Scott Walker recall has Wisconsin Democrats frustrated with lack of national party support

Wisconsin Democrats are frustrated with the lack of national support in the effort to recall Gov. Scott Walker, and in what's likely an effort to pressure the Democratic National Committee to pitch in, they're airing their frustrations to Greg Sargent:

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“We are frustrated by the lack of support from the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Governors Association,” a top Wisconsin Democratic Party official tells me. “Scott Walker has the full support and backing of the Republican Party and all its tentacles. We are not getting similar support.”

“Considering that Scott Walker has already spent $30 million and we’re even in the polls, this is a winnable race,” the Wisconsin Dem continues. “We can get outspent two to one or five to one. We can’t get spent 20 to one.”

Of course, that's neither here nor there, since the topic of this thread is Obama's personal presence (lack of) rallying people in WI.

[PeaceNikki]

4. Funny, I do.

Since, you know, I fucking live here and have been involved.

You?

[brentspeak]

6. You may live there, but how would you know more than genuine WI Democrats?

[PeaceNikki]

8. uh.... I *am* an "actual (and genuine, TYVM) WI Democrat".

And I don't get my information from unattributed quotes on the internet, I get it from what I see with my own 2 eyes.

But, please carry on with your massive outrage. I'll be over here living in the real world.

[brentspeak]

10. Ok, then tell us here what your real name is

I don't like to get my information from unattributed sources, either.

You are the same "PeaceNikki" who defended Kathy Nickolaus' probably fraudulent handling of Prosser/Kloppenburg vote totals from last year, correct?

[PeaceNikki]

12. lol, no, I never defended that fucking loon.

I only reported facts as I saw them (since, as you also may recall, I was AT the Waukesha County recount almost every day) and tried to shut down a significant amount of misinformation that tends to swell up on the internet. My favorite was the politiscoop bullshit that said there were TEN-THOUSAND BALLOTS in a single bag for a single ward in a community with a a population of 6,500. Hilarious.

[brentspeak]

13. You mean like when you cited your alleged

still-unnamed "Democratic CD co-chair" who vouched for the elderly Ramona Kitzinger's competence as the lone Democratic rep of Nickolaus' vote canvassing committee?

Ms. Kitzinger, who later reversed her earlier contention that Nickolaus' numbers "jived" -- numbers which you had earlier claimed did "jive"?

[PeaceNikki]

14. lol... Stalk much? I will also vouch for Ramona's competence.

I spent a lot of time with her at the recount and at state convention last year.

Also, how the fuck is that defending the stupid ass clerk?

Also... the numbers did match canvass... just not the report to media. Ramona was not told about the error until the presser. That's the article you linked.

[brentspeak]

16. You, uh, "vouch" for Ramona's competence?

Funny, Ms. Kitzinger herself admitted that she was "very confused" and couldn't figure out where the numbers came from.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/11/965947/-Ramona-Kitzinger-member-of-Waukesha-Board-of-Canvassers-Speaks-Up

"As I told Kathy when I was called into the room , I am 80 years old and I dont understand anything about computers. I don’t know where the numbers Kathy was showing me ultimately came from, but they seemed to add up. I am still very, very confused about why the canvass was finalized before I was informed of the Brookfield error..."

PeaceNikki: "Ramona was not told about the error until the presser."

Really? No duh! Thank you for stating the obvious. Which side of the vote recount were you working for again when you "spent a lot of time with her at the recount"?

[PeaceNikki]

18. I proudly worked very hard for the Kloppenburg campaign. And you?

Oh right, you just spread fear and hype on the internet and harass people who don't march lockstep with your agenda to do so. How long til one of those newb trolls shows us to be slightly less careful in their accusations of me.

Have a super night, Imma get back to doing real work for Democrats.

[hlthe2b]

2. They ought to at least send Biden...

This annoys me too, though I hope the "Big Dawg" will come...

[Carolina Lady]

5. Non Wisconsin resident

let me just say how disappointed I am that when President and Mrs Obama both came to WI during the 2010 campaign, Wisconsin gave them the hand and voted for Walker or even worse DIDN'T vote at all.

[JoePhilly]

7. The latest manufactured anti-Obama outrage.

And I love how this BS ends ... the woman is so mad, she's going to stay home in November.

Really??!!?? ... that's probably how you ended up with Walker in the first place.

"I'll show YOU ... I'll screw myself!!"

[dionysus]

9. keep trying.

[woo me with science]

11. DU Rec. nt

[SidDithers]

15. I didn't know you were such a big fan of Forbes and the Wall Street Journal...nt

Sid

[brentspeak]

17. I'm a big fan of Rick Ungar's liberal blog on Forbes

If that's what you mean.

Likewise, I guess we can say with certainty and posterity that you're not much of a fan of progressive sites like dailykos and TPM.

[SidDithers]

19. I'm a big fan of PeaceNikki...

and trust her opinion of what boots on the ground in WI think.

Sid

[brentspeak]

21. So I take it you've met her?

What a small world!

[SidDithers]

23. You've met Rick Ungar?...nt

Sid

[brentspeak]

27. Know he's a real person with a verifiable background

Still think kos and TPM don't fit your politics?

[SidDithers]

29. Actually, I'm also a big fan of Josh Marshall...

even though I've never met him either.

Sid

[PeaceNikki]

24. I haven't met Sid, but there are at least 3 dozen other DUers who have.

Including the aforementioned unnamed CD chair!! I met him on DU before I met him IRL. He doesn't post here anymore cuz some of us get our liberal 'cred' by, you know, actually DOING things not just fucking with people on DU.

[PeaceNikki]

31. Thanks, Sid!

I obviously don't speak for ALL Democrats in WI, but I can tell you what I see with my own eyes, hear with my own ears and my opinion is just as valid as those quoted in the OP... and my mama taught me how to speak my mind.

[SidDithers]

33. Good luck next week...

fingers crossed it goes your way.

Sid

[SidDithers]

22. You're gonna get hidden...

but I agree 100% with your sentiment.

Sid

[JNelson6563]

25. Obama has fallen for the trap of making the election about him.

This is not the sort of thing for a sitting President to get involved in. He is very wise to not jump in. As to the DNC, it is a shame to see so many Wisconsinites fall for that bullshit about the DNC. I always give my brothers and sisters across the lake for usually being able to see through right wing bullshit, as this recall election demonstrates.

Julie

[Honeycombe8]

26. At this point, it's not a campaign to elect Barrett. It's a state recall election. Presidents don't

get involved in removing ELECTED STATE OFFICIALS FROM THEIR POSITIONS. It's out of their realm of business.

It's the duty of the Democratic Party to get involved. And FORMER Presidents. But not a sitting President.

[brentspeak]

28. "It's the duty of the Democratic Party to get involved."

Obama, as a sitting Democratic president, is the current leader of the Democratic Party.

[Honeycombe8]

30. It is none of the business of a sitting President. Use your head.

It would immeidately make the recall a NATIONAL ISSUE, and that's what the 2012 Presidential election would be about. Besides that, he'd be interfering in STATE POLITICS, when it involves a recall of an elected official.

Can you name one instance of a sitting president getting involved in removal of an elected state official? Or even commenting on it? I don't think Bush said one word about the recall of Davis in California.

Except to ensorse someone, it is the responsibility of the STATE to handle its recall, including the STATE DEMOCRATS and the Democratic Party. Obama is hte leader of the party, but he doesn't directly get involved with everything the party does. Or he'd be spending all his time trying to remove City Councilmen, sheriffs, attorneys general, whatever.

You have a STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. It gets funding and assistance from the NATIONAL Dem. Party. That's who shoudl be involved in the recall. Not the Prsident Besides, we have Syria, a bad economy, Iran, Russia, China, oil spills, and a host of other things we'd like him to attend to.

[brentspeak]

34. Where is it written that this is "none of the business of a sitting President"?

Honeycombe8: "Besides that, he'd be interfering in STATE POLITICS...You have a STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY"

Oct. 20, 2010: President Obama stumps for Dem John Kitzhaber in Oregon's gubernatorial race

Obama shows up to endorse Democrat Martin O'Malley in Maryland's gubernatorial race:

[doc03]

32. Could it be the DNC and Obama have written off the re-call? If Obama goes there

and the re-call still fails the media will play up how unpopular Obama is. If it is that bad in Wisconsin there shouldn't be any problem getting people out to vote without Obama holding your hand.

[Drew Richards]

35. This thread is making me ill.

Brentspeak please stop beating a dead horse that never was.

I understand where you are coming from and agree in a SMALL part by what has occurred but I will address that later...

BUT, to attack someone like PeaceNikki whom I love for her diligence and attention to detail in ALL of her reporting from Wisconsin is flat out disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

You should apologize or stay on dailyKos.

I have followed all reporting and print articles in regards to Wisconsin since the failed Judicial elections and the un-professionalism from the Waukesha county clerk.

You are sighting reports from FORBES Ragazine? FORBES? that on the face seem to be true but, are actually, extremely sensationalized. Whether for ratings, circulation, calculated disenfranchisement, frustration or anger...they just do not hold water in their present form...

The point in fact is that the DNC and others are on the ground.

Could they have done more?
In my opinion hell yes, and sooner.

This is the most important election in the last 100 years dealing with the rights of the people vrs the rights of the corporations and the wealthy; and that is what is really really being missed in all of this...

The reporting AND even the focus that is being projected by the media is that this election is all about the unions being stripped of their bargaining rights and that is bullshit...

There are a literally close to a hundred pieces of legislation and or policies that Walker has enacted that have virtually gutted and disenfranchised the average citizen of Wisconsin from their ability to live in a Democracy...AND That is the focus that should have been pounded for the last 6 months!

Sale of public water rights to private ownership
sale of state power generation to private ownership
sale of state mineral rights to private ownership
Opening of protected state parks to sale and development.
inappropriate hirings
inappropriate and or illegal campaigning
Shady election processes in Waukesha
stripping of state pension funds and allocating them to the general fund
Stripping of the education fund
Refusal of Stimulus monies
Refusal of High Speed rail funds...
charter schools
stripping of Union bargaining rights
city manager law allowing a non-elected individual or !!! "Corporation" to come into a town and fire everyone even elected officials.
Voter purging.

I could go on but why bother it really is only a week from the vote and I don't see an ability or strategy to hammer Walker with his "I am a king with no cloths nor brains for that matter and I can do whatever I want".

Most of it can probably be blamed on the fact that the media is conservatively owned in Wisconsin and it is hard to get ANY Air time even when the Democrats pay for it compared to the DAILY "News" Items glorifying Walker and his gutting of the Democracy to "Balance the budget"...oh in reality he didn't balance the budget...He gave the 123 Million he stripped from social services and sales of public assets to millionaire tax rebates...where is the push back on that?

You see,

What I am trying to say is that your outrage is sorely misplaced and off topic to reality.

Apologize and all will be well,

Don't and well, as we say in engineering...welcome to the bit bucket, your data will be worthless from now on...

Oh and Peacenikki,

please, you have to agree with me a little that in point of fact, our message is not very hard hitting and as driving as it should be.

At least I hope you will agree with my sentiment.

Keep up the good fight hun.

Drew.

[ecstatic]

36. And how did withholding votes in 2010 work out?

Some people never learn!