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ArnoldLayne

(2,067 posts)
Wed May 30, 2012, 10:31 PM May 2012

Who is watching The Hatfields and The McCoy's Part 3? I didn't realize how violent it was. Being I

am from West Virginia, I didn't realize one of my best friends Lexi McCoy is a relative, she just told me. I know alot of McCoys in Wheeling WV. I didn't know they are direct descendants of them.

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Who is watching The Hatfields and The McCoy's Part 3? I didn't realize how violent it was. Being I (Original Post) ArnoldLayne May 2012 OP
Give us a hint. On what channel? nt Honeycombe8 May 2012 #1
History Channel ellisonz May 2012 #15
You can now watch the entire Hatfield & McCoy miniseries online. Lasher May 2012 #23
Nice. n/t ellisonz May 2012 #24
Good series. TheCowsCameHome May 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author ArnoldLayne May 2012 #3
HIS channel. Meh. I bailed out 90 mins into episode 1 when the Nazi's showed up. Gidney N Cloyd May 2012 #4
The West was VERY VERY violent. liberalhistorian May 2012 #5
You should watch the series. Brickbat May 2012 #6
I've often wondered at the true level of violence in the Old West and it compares to today. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #7
Well I know Dodge City wasn't as violent as it's been depicted in the movies and on TV proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author ArnoldLayne May 2012 #8
The Hatfields & McCoys weren't in the west. They were in W. VA, KY... Honeycombe8 May 2012 #26
A lot of Appalachian folks are of Highland Scottish background. Odin2005 May 2012 #9
I thought it was great proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #10
I recorded it. Saving it for when the husband comes home next.n/t cynatnite May 2012 #12
SPOILER ALERT proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #17
Durn, I knew I shouldn't have clicked pinboy3niner May 2012 #28
The McCoys were all Republicans. Lasher May 2012 #13
At the end of the Civil War. rug May 2012 #14
Back then, the republicans were the good guys proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #16
Well that is a good point if you want to get technical on me. Lasher May 2012 #21
It's true that the Hatfields were more affluent, but that doesn't really tell the whole story fishwax May 2012 #19
Hatfield McCoy mini-series dmcautry Dec 2014 #29
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Dec 2014 #30
The McCoys got richer and the Hatfields got poorer. McCoys allied themselves with HiPointDem May 2012 #20
Very Violent Series - Vigilanti Justice...... global1 May 2012 #18
Massey Energy's Blankenship is a McCoy, Mc Mike May 2012 #22
I know a Hatfield who is descended from this bunch RZM May 2012 #25
The PBS show on the feud is the best. Fascinating story, how out of hand things got. nt Honeycombe8 May 2012 #27

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
15. History Channel
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:44 PM
May 2012

Three parts starring Kevin Costner and Bill Paxton. Tonight is the final part, the first two have aired the two preceding nights.

Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

liberalhistorian

(20,815 posts)
5. The West was VERY VERY violent.
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:02 PM
May 2012

I know a lot of its true history isn't really taught in either schools or colleges, but, before things settled down and it developed an infrastructure of law and order, it was the epitome of violence. And not just because they were going about the work of systematic genocide against Indians, either, although that was a part of it. It really was every man/family for themselves for quite awhile. That was both part of its appeal and one of its greatest drawbacks.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
11. Well I know Dodge City wasn't as violent as it's been depicted in the movies and on TV
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:14 PM
May 2012

My dad grew up in western Kansas and his family used to talk about how the history of Dodge City had been blown way out of proportion.

Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #5)

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
9. A lot of Appalachian folks are of Highland Scottish background.
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:12 PM
May 2012

And most of those are "Scots-Irish", Highland Scots who were settled in Northern Ireland by James I. these kinds of feuds are basically Celtic clan skirmishing transplanted overseas. Jim Webb wrote an excellent book on the Scots-Irish called Born Fighting, it's a must-read.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
10. I thought it was great
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:12 PM
May 2012

The Hatfields started it. They were the affluent well connected family. The McCoys were poor.

A lot of comparisons to the social battles we wage today.

Lasher

(27,556 posts)
21. Well that is a good point if you want to get technical on me.
Thu May 31, 2012, 07:43 AM
May 2012

But I don't think many good guys owned slaves.

Asa Harmon McCoy was discharged from the Union army because he had a broken leg. He was probably wearing his Union uniform when he returned home to an area where Confederate support was still widespread. Despite the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, he owned at least one slave when he was killed on January 7, 1865.

The Civil War did not end until April 9, 1865 - after Asa was killed by the Logan Wildcats. The Wildcats were a militia unit that operated in conjunction with the Confederate Army. And so, they were not just a gang of vigilantes - anymore than the CSA was.

And so, did the Hatfields start the feud by murdering Asa McCoy, or was he killed by a Confederate militia as a Union combatant or spy?

Heavy nuance, huh? About the only thing I can say for certain about the feud is that there really is a statue of Devil Anse at his grave. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Anyway, I thought the mini-series was well done and I enjoyed every minute of it.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
19. It's true that the Hatfields were more affluent, but that doesn't really tell the whole story
Thu May 31, 2012, 01:19 AM
May 2012

Anse Hatfield was more successful in timber than Randolph McCoy (who also had made an attempt at making money logging, but without as much success), but the McCoys were not exactly poor, and were allied with outside interest seeking to develop (and profit from) the region's resources. The McCoy side was backed by wealthy interests in Pikeville who were interested in bringing further development into the area and saw Hatfield as an obstacle to that.

Particularly important for the McCoy side in this regard was Perry Cline, who (as the miniseries showed) had had a personal/legal dispute with Hatfield over the ownership of a large parcel of land. Cline financial and political connections and was connected to the McCoys through his sister, who married the McCoy brother who fought for the union and was killed by Confederate guerillas. In 1887, Cline promised to deliver the McCoy vote to gubernatorial candidate Simon Bolivar Buckner in exchange for state help in crushing the Hatfields.

Hatfield descendants remained active in West Virginia politics for a while. One of Anse's nephews was governor and U.S. senator--he was a Republican, but of course those were different times and so being a republican in the south meant something very different than it does now. His administration was big on organized labor and worker's rights. Another of Anse's nephews (grand nephews) was the police chief of Matewan, Kentucky, and gave his life after fighting for the rights of the UMWA in the unrest that town is famous for. He was killed by industry hired thugs. If you've seen the John Sayles film Matewan, David Strathairn played Sid Hatfield. (If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.)

dmcautry

(1 post)
29. Hatfield McCoy mini-series
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 05:13 AM
Dec 2014

The Hatfield McCoy mini-series is, for the most part, far from the truth! Case in point - Perry Cline! Much of Perry Cline's character was taken from the book, "Feud" by Altina Waller, published in 1987. Waller is a sociology professor from CT, who took the feud & tried to make it fit neatly into the social restraints of 19th century America. On most points, she missed the mark! Perry Cline was not the nefarious character that the series, nor Waller, portrayed him to be. He had 4 siblings who married McCoys & the 2 families had close ties. Also, the Hatfields were responsible for the deaths of his brother in law & his nephew. In 2013, at the KY Bar Assoc. annual convention, two of Perry Cline's descendants took on the director of the mini-series & Waller in a round-table discussion about laws during the Hatfield McCoy feud. The Cline family received apologies from the director, a WV native, for the "artistic license" taken in the the portrayal of their ancestor. The Cline cousins, one an attorney from OH & the other an attorney from KY, graciously accepted the apology. (for more on this & the 5,000 acres of land taken by Devil Anse go to: theclinefamilyassociation.com

Second point - the only McCoy in the line of Randall & Asa Harmon to fight for the CSA was Randall. Interestingly, no records of his enlistment have been found in the National Archives. It's possible that he rode with one of the many militia groups (bushwhackers) that terrorized the communities of Pike County during the war. He is found listed as a PoW at Camp Douglas in 1863, but members of the home guards were often captured & imprisoned, even if they were not soldiers or bushwhackers.
Contrary to common belief, the majority of Eastern KY men fought for the Union. Regiments included the 39th KY Mounted Infantry USA, the 14th KY Infantry, & the 45th Mounted Infantry. Asa Harmon McCoy was most likely a Union spy. Although he was wounded 2 times prior to 1863 (once hospitalized in Lexington, Ky), he did not officially enlist in the 45th until the middle of 1863. He was probably much hated by the bushwhackers of VA, and this led to his murder.

On the other hand, D. Anse Hatfield served in the CSA for about 8 months, before deserting & returning home to form his own militia group. For more information please see, The National Archives, Civil War Service Records at ancestry.com.

As for me, I'm a 2X great grand daughter of Asa Harmon McCoy & Martha Cline. As a 30 yr researcher of the Hatfield McCoy Feud, I never pass up the chance to set the record straight!

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
20. The McCoys got richer and the Hatfields got poorer. McCoys allied themselves with
Thu May 31, 2012, 01:30 AM
May 2012

outside business interests. Last part of the "feud" wasn't even led by McCoys, it was led by another guy and his out-of-state buddies trying to get Hatfields' land, and they did.

global1

(25,240 posts)
18. Very Violent Series - Vigilanti Justice......
Thu May 31, 2012, 12:40 AM
May 2012

and given the climate in Americia today with the Stand Your Ground laws - I'm afraid what some people will take out of this series. Seems like one of the sponsors of the series should have been the NRA. Yes - it was that violent. Lot of killing going on between the Hatfield's and McCoy's.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
22. Massey Energy's Blankenship is a McCoy,
Thu May 31, 2012, 09:14 AM
May 2012

but you can't pick your relatives like you pick your friends.

Loved Sid Hatfield in Bloody Mingo.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
25. I know a Hatfield who is descended from this bunch
Thu May 31, 2012, 05:14 PM
May 2012

He's from Eastern Kentucky and he's a good guy.

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