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Fundy's teaching schoolkids genocide... (Original Post) Archae May 2012 OP
Their god is a dick HarveyDarkey May 2012 #1
This is the mindset that sane people are now faced with. hifiguy May 2012 #2
Some creepier excerpts LongTomH May 2012 #3
This exerpt could just as well be taught in a Madrassa run by Al Queda: Mister Ed May 2012 #4
I don't understand why this stuff is hidden in the US. PDJane May 2012 #5
If we oppose this, they will call US intolerant LongTomH May 2012 #6
The US is already intolerant. Ask any gay teen.... PDJane May 2012 #7
Kicking! This needs to stay on page 1 LongTomH May 2012 #8
 

HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
1. Their god is a dick
Wed May 30, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast" [Reflections on Religion, 1906]

Mark Twain
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. This is the mindset that sane people are now faced with.
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:04 PM
May 2012

Anyone teaching this poisonous insanity, much less to children, should be dropped at the South Pole with shorts and mosquito netting. Why do we have to read about this madness in a British paper? Fundamentalist religion will be the literal death of humanity if it is not stopped.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
3. Some creepier excerpts
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:16 PM
May 2012

Part of the instruction is a very explicit reference to the biblical story of Saul and the Amalekites:

The story of Saul and the Amalekites is a case in point. It's not a pretty story, and it is often used by people who don't intend to do pretty things. In the book of 1 Samuel (15:3), God said to Saul:

"Now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."


Saul dutifully exterminated the women, the children, the babies and all of the men – but then he spared the king. He also saved some of the tastier looking calves and lambs. God was furious with him for his failure to finish the job.

The story of the Amalekites has been used to justify genocide throughout the ages. According to Pennsylvania State University Professor Philip Jenkins, a contributing editor for the American Conservative, the Puritans used this passage when they wanted to get rid of the Native American tribes. Catholics used it against Protestants, Protestants against Catholics. "In Rwanda in 1994, Hutu preachers invoked King Saul's memory to justify the total slaughter of their Tutsi neighbors," writes Jenkins in his 2011 book, Laying Down the Sword: Why We Can't Ignore the Bible's Violent Verses (HarperCollins).

//snip

The CEF has been teaching the story of the Amalekites at least since 1973. In its earlier curriculum materials, CEF was euphemistic about the bloodshed, saying simply that "the Amalekites were completely defeated." In the most recent version of the curriculum, however, the group is quite eager to drive the message home to its elementary school students. The first thing the curriculum makes clear is that if God gives instructions to kill a group of people, you must kill every last one:

"You are to go and completely destroy the Amalekites (AM-uh-leck-ites) – people, animals, every living thing. Nothing shall be left."


"That was pretty clear, wasn't it?" the manual tells the teachers to say to the kids.

Even more important, the Good News Club wants the children to know, the Amalakites were targeted for destruction on account of their religion, or lack of it. The instruction manual reads:

"The Amalekites had heard about Israel's true and living God many years before, but they refused to believe in him. The Amalekites refused to believe in God and God had promised punishment."

//snip

The CEF's new emphasis on the genocide of nonbelievers makes a bad situation worse. Exterminist rhetoric has been on the rise among some segments of the far right, including some religious groups. At what point do we start taking talk of genocide seriously? How would we feel about a nonreligious group that instructs its students that if they should ever receive an order to commit genocide, they should fulfill it to the letter?

And finally, when does a religious group qualify as a "hate group"?

Mister Ed

(5,921 posts)
4. This exerpt could just as well be taught in a Madrassa run by Al Queda:
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:28 PM
May 2012
The instruction manual goes on to champion obedience in all things. In fact, pretty much every lesson that the Good News Club gives involves reminding children that they must, at all costs, obey. If God tells you to kill nonbelievers, he really wants you to kill them all. No questions asked, no exceptions allowed.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
5. I don't understand why this stuff is hidden in the US.
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:29 PM
May 2012

I'm convinced that this kind of religion should be annihilated wherever they show up. No mercy. This isn't civilized. It's time to drop the stuff that was used to frighten the kids into obedience and belief thousands of years ago.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
6. If we oppose this, they will call US intolerant
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:48 PM
May 2012

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " -- Karl Popper

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
7. The US is already intolerant. Ask any gay teen....
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:54 PM
May 2012

And any woman who relies on birth control or wants an abortion. It's time to end this.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
8. Kicking! This needs to stay on page 1
Thu May 31, 2012, 12:31 PM
May 2012

The danger of religious fundamentalism and eliminationism is underrated by most liberal and mainstream Americans.

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