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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOberlin College's Food and Cultural Appropriation
In fact, it is quite real.
The core student grievance, as reported by Clover Lihn Tran at The Oberlin Review: Bon Appétit, the food service vendor, has a history of blurring the line between culinary diversity and cultural appropriation by modifying the recipes without respect for certain Asian countries cuisines. This uninformed representation of cultural dishes has been noted by a multitude of students, many of who have expressed concern over the gross manipulation of traditional recipes.
One international student suffered a sando-aggression:
Diep Nguyen, a College first-year from Vietnam, jumped with excitement at the sight of Vietnamese food on Stevenson Dining Halls menu at Orientation this year. Craving Vietnamese comfort food, Nguyen rushed to the food station with high hopes. What she got, however, was a total disappointment. The traditional Banh Mi Vietnamese sandwich that Stevenson Dining Hall promised turned out to be a cheap imitation of the East Asian dish.
Instead of a crispy baguette with grilled pork, pate, pickled vegetables and fresh herbs, the sandwich used ciabatta bread, pulled pork and coleslaw. It was ridiculous, Nguyen said. How could they just throw out something completely different and label it as another countrys traditional food?
Multiple students were dissatisfied with their landlocked, Midwestern institutions take on the cuisine of an island nation with Earths most sophisticated fishing culture:
Perhaps the pinnacle of what many students believe to be a culturally appropriative sustenance system is Dascomb Dining Halls sushi bar. The sushi is anything but authentic for Tomoyo Joshi, a College junior from Japan, who said that the undercooked rice and lack of fresh fish is disrespectful. She added that in Japan, sushi is regarded so highly that people sometimes take years of apprenticeship before learning how to appropriately serve it.
When youre cooking a countrys dish for other people, including ones who have never tried the original dish before, youre also representing the meaning of the dish as well as its culture, Joshi said. So if people not from that heritage take food, modify it and serve it as authentic, it is appropriative.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/the-food-fight-at-oberlin-college/421401/
I understand the grievance of crappy cafeteria food but to make it into a social justice issue? -_____- These kids really need to grow up if they expected authenticity in freaking Ohio.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Fried chicken? I thought I was told here it was racist to assume that's a traditional meal for African Americans.
romanic
(2,841 posts)it sounds like Oberlin's Black Student Union is thinking in a narrow and backwards mindset; the demand for segregated "black spaces" alarm me more than fried chicken.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....is steeped just as much in stereotypes as the white suburban liberal kids they probably tell daily "you don't have a clue about my struggle".
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)At what point do atheists and agnostics get their freedom to not be restricted by religious BS?
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Yeah that was just stupid and for Diwali to boot.
I am an atheist and I would no more expect Indian food to be made from beef (Although a small amount is) than I would expect a Jewish deli to make a fine pork sandwich. Whining about other people's beliefs restricting your food choices is kind of petty. You want beef in a tandoor then get you some clay, make the oven, and cook it yourself.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)bread - especially the brioche-like one used for bahn mi - came with the French colonizers, so who's appropriating whom? And you can get some pretty bad sushi in Japan.
Life would be so much more pleasant if these were my biggest problems.
frizzled
(509 posts)Everyone should be able to expect that food advertised as being from their country is going to be reasonably authentically prepared.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)I'm half Italian. My family all came in the 20th century, and they brought their cooking skills with them. I've known how to cook since I could stand at an oven without burning the house down. I've known how to make pasta from scratch since I was a teen. I refuse to eat in most Italian restaurants outside of NY or Philadelphia. Call me a snob, I don't care. Why pay for what I can make better myself?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Boston's North End. Providence. Wooster St. in New Haven. Madison Ave. in Bridgeport, even! SF's North Beach. New Orleans has even come up with its own "Creole-Italian" cuisine! Mangia!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)he could consult/work with the food service to tighten up the board of fare...
Or god forbid cook that shit up himself, since he knows how it is supposed to be done...
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I would think peanut butter and jelly would do the trick. Back when colleges were affordable, you ate what they gave you. It stunk, but you didn't starve. If they want special cuisine, you will see tuition go up even more.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)You get roasted duck, potato-dumplings, gravy, Brussels sprouts and coleslaw.
Would you be... disappointed?
If a restaurant advertises, sells and serves this meal as a traditional US-american Thanksgiving Dinner, would you feel the need to point out to everybody that it's actually not the traditional dishes?
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)If they're not American, it wouldn't surprise me if their interpretation of "American" cuisine was a little bit off.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)Right after college two friends and I spent some time backpacking in Asia, and we happened to be in Sumatra, Indonesia, on Thanksgiving. The day before Thanksgiving we were eating in a little restaurant at one of the touristy areas that catered mostly to western tourists, and we ran into some other Americans, and someone mentioned that the next day was Thanksgiving and we should all get together and have a Thanksgiving dinner together. I think there were nine of us altogether. So we talked to the manager of the restaurant and explained that the next day was an important American holiday and we explained a number of traditional Thanksgiving foods, and would they be interested in making us a big celebratory feast?
Long story short, it was the best Thanksgiving meal of my life. None of it was exactly what you would get in the US. It was all Indonesian interpretations of American foods, made with whatever ingredients were available. (And this was pre-Internet, so they couldn't go on the internet and get the "real" recipes.) It was delicious and familiar but also totally unique. We had chickens instead of turkey. We had some kind of mashed tuber or taro instead of mashed potatoes. There was an attempt at stuffing that was barely recognizable as stuffing, but delicious. There were probably a dozen different dishes, some similar to American dishes and others straight-up Indonesian. It was fantastic.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)expecting a foreign kitchen to produce authentic American food, so no, I wouldn't be disappointed. It's the same as I know better than to order a Philly cheese steak in Atlanta.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)gvstn
(2,805 posts)Most everything is shipped in frozen and heated up.
If I buy a Stouffer's Lobster Newburg, I'm not really expecting a gourmet dish with a finely tuned sauce.
If I bought sushi at my local convenience store I not expecting restaurant quality sushi made by a master sushi chef.
This just seems ridiculous. Yoou try it once and don't like it than don't order it again.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Oklahoma City has a large Vietnamese American population and I was spoiled by the great sandwiches and pho and spring rolls with peanut sauce. We got damn good sushi too, from several establishments run the Japanese Americans. Yeah, in freakin' Oklahoma.
This does sound more like a case of shit food than misappropriation of culture.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Damn, I miss that city sometimes.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)That would make me a bad, bad person, now wouldn't it?
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)at pretty much any restaurant in the USA (lots and lots of "modifying recipes" going on, there).
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Most restaurants don't have a clue.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)1. Americans are not very good at duplicating non-American dishes
2. Other countries are not very good at duplicating American ones
With the notable exception of The Philippines.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Only serve "Traditional" Ohio dishes, like....Okay, i got nothin'.
Maybe pork rinds and jello with marshmallows in it? (Or is that Indiana.)
Perhaps they mean the traditional food of the original white european colonial oppressor, so.. england?
Fish and Chips? Kidney pies and boiled cabbage?
Angel Martin
(942 posts)after a few servings of sheep stomach, sausage and sauerkraut, maybe the special snowflakes will finish their meals and quit complaining.
ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)Should i have been upset about that? I missed that memo, i guess. I could have been all upset while in school all my undergrad years.
Now i feel cheated.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am happy to answer any questions about the experience of attending that college.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)I went to Earlham College in Indiana, and their food...wasn't horrible.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Rather than in the dining hall.
If you ate in a co-op you cooked your own food and took turns taking care of various kitchen chores and the like.
I found that those who really cared about what they were eating would go that route.
As for me, I mostly ate cereal and other junk (in the dining hall) to be completely honest
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Most of the students really didn't care one way or the other and were just trying to do their own thing.
However, there were always very passionate people who would make a lot of noise about issues such as this.
romanic
(2,841 posts)how much does Oberlin embarrass you?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Having grown up in a pretty conservative suburban environment, it was definitely quite an experience going there.
Mostly, I stayed away from this sort of thing and just tried to get my work done and hang out with my friends.
Though I certainly had a front row seat from many interesting showdowns, and did find myself in the middle of one when I came to the defense of a teacher whom a vociferous group of students was unhappy with.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)WTF is "authentic" about a recipe? It isn't a signed painting after all.
They need to become familiar with the concept "outside the box", because they're so regimented it's crazy.
And let's get real, the notion of "cultural appropriation" is 100% bullshit anyway.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)all too often I get a cheap imitation of a dish in an actual for-profit restaurant these days.
In fact, I'm an American and I can't stand the cheap imitation of Chinese food one finds at Chinese buffets around here. Now THAT'S disrespectful.
question everything
(47,479 posts)Don't they have to study? How about going out and helping the poor and the homeless? Tuturing students in inner cities?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Per Wikipedia:
Corn, beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, chili peppers, avocados, strawberries, peanuts, turkey, squash, pumpkins, pineapple, pecans, and chocolate are American. (Fun fact: most traditional Thanksgiving foods are native to the New World!)
Wheat, oats, peas, lentils, figs, lettuce, carrots, almonds, cucumber, and mustard are Middle Eastern.
Grape wine, asparagus, cauliflower, kale, chestnuts, beets, broccoli, and hops are European.
Chicken, pigs, rice, eggplant, citrus fruits, and peaches are Asian.
Cows are Indian or African.
Macadamia nuts are Australian.
Coffee is African.
I'd guess that almost everyone in the US eats foods from multiple origins every day. How boring food would be if we didn't!
Meanwhile, I want the Asian kids to accuse the African-American kids of cultural appropriation for cooking their native food in a non-traditional manner.