General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOffensive trademarks ban revoked
A US appeals court has struck down a provision of a federal law that barred the registration of offensive trademarks because it violates the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
The decision on Tuesday by the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, DC, vacates the refusal by the US Patent and Trademark Office to register the name of the Asian-American rock band, The Slants.
It could also affect the decision by the agency to cancel the trademarks of the National Football League's Washington (deleted).
"We recognise that invalidating this provision may lead to the wider registration of marks that offend vulnerable communities," Circuit Judge Kimberly Moore said in the opinion on behalf of the 12 judges who took part in hearing the case.
"Whatever our personal feelings about the mark at issue here, or other disparaging marks, the First Amendment forbids government regulators to deny registration because they find the speech likely to offend others."
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30427592/offensive-trademarks-are-ok-in-us/
Bad, bad, bad decision. This opens the way towards the Washington football team (I refuse to say the name) having their trademark restored.
onenote
(46,142 posts)I think this is the correct ruling from a First Amendment standpoint.
Xipe Totec
(44,558 posts)The DC football team should be forced to reconsider based on popular demand.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Public pressure, not government censorship, is the way to do it.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The right to say something is not the same as the right to have it protected as a trademark.
onenote
(46,142 posts)to treat speech differently based on its content.
Constitutional law 101.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and let me know how that works out for you.
Trademark rights are private rights that *restrict* freedom of speech.
It is not a grant of a "right to speak" it is a grant of federal power to make other people shut up.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The First Amendment does no such thing. The First Amendment prevents the government from hindering your speech without a compelling reason. It does not, ever, require the government to facilitate your speech by protecting it from infringement.
This is not a First Amendment issue. The government is not required to grant the KKK Trademark protections for tis logos or hateful slogans. It's amazing to me anyone would think so.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts).
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)The drugs I am on for foot surgery are giving me ama zing insights
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)
madinmaryland
(65,729 posts)is amusing!!
THANKS!!
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Then again, Jed York is giving him something of a run for his money these days...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,570 posts)Bonx
(2,353 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You seem not to understand that the grant of federal trademark registration is a restriction of your freedom of speech.
Twenty years ago, you were free to put the word "Google" on whatever you wanted. You no longer have the freedom to do that.
So, I'm curious to know why it is you think that broadening the available verbal subject matter for government grants of private monopolies is an advancement of freedom of speech.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)because they did not favor that speech. That is a First amendment violation. This decision was correct.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The government does not have the power to do that.
You can't get a trademark on a lot of things.
You cannot get a trademark on the words "dog food" for dog food. What that means is that the use of "dog food" is UNRESTRICTED for use on dog food.
Again, like the other poster, you have this completely backwards. Granting federal trademark registration is a RESTRICTION of speech.
Explain to me how denial of federal registration has an effect of restricting speech?
You have the right to use whatever speech you want. Federal trademark registration is a presumptive right to restrict everyone else's speech.
onenote
(46,142 posts)to refuse to grant a trademark to Ben and Jerry's because they don't like their politics?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Again, there is nothing that prevents them from using any expression they like as a mark.
"Having a trademark" is not the same thing as "obtaining federal registration" of the mark.
There seems to be this pervasive notion that this involves restriction of speech.
First, there is no Constitutional right to a trademark in the first place. The Lanham Act does not arise from the patent and copyright power, but is based on the Congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. It is a grant of an exclusive private that *restricts* the speech of others in commercial contexts.
It's about whether you, me, and every other American want to occupy the time of our federal judiciary in enforcing someone's right to sue someone else over "N----r Kicker" brand boots.
onenote
(46,142 posts)to register the trademark, and afford the protection that adheres to a trademark, to Ben and Jerry's ice cream because they don't like B&J's politics?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)No it would not be.
Is it constitutional for states to refuse to put certain words on vanity license plates? Yes or no?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)it didn't work.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)I'm not a libertarian. Next you will be arguing against patent law...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Do you know what I do for a living?
I'm not arguing against trademark law. But to mistake a mechanism for restricting speech - which it is - for a mechanism promoting speech, is bass ackwards.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I just don't like the idea of the federal government altering trademark law to punish a "politically incorrect" (read: racially insensitive) football team.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The US did not even have a federal trademark law until the late 1800's, but it was largely supplanted by the Lanham Act passed in the 1940's.
A primary reason for the Lanham Act, and the registration system it created, was because a guy in Pennsylvania got hit by something sticking out of a train operated by a New York company.
It is a federal statute in the first place. Saying that you don't like the federal government changing trademark law is like saying you want the government to get its hands off Medicare.
Section 2(a), and the provision relation to disparaging marks, has been there since 1946.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)madinmaryland
(65,729 posts)say "Falcons"? First Amendment, right?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This case is not about whether anyone has the right to use disparaging names.
Of course they can use them.
The case is about whether we as a society are going to give them the right to force other people not to use those terms.
madinmaryland
(65,729 posts)and plasters it on signs all up and down I-95?
Maybe it would be better to see it down I-95 the team called the Washington FUCKERS.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm "not okay" with all kinds of things which are legal?
Are you "okay with" people picking their nose in public?
Do you know what this case is about?
This case is not about whether Mr. Tam can call his band "The Slants". He is free to do that. The case was about whether Mr. Tam would be granted a federally protected monopoly to prevent anyone else from calling their band "The Slants".
The case was not about, and has nothing to do with, what anyone is allowed to call their business. It was about whether the government can exclude marks deemed disparaging from special exclusive rights.
Did you think the "Black Tail" for magazines case was correctly or incorrectly decided?
Waldorf
(654 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)As a person of part-Cree descent, this decision infuriates me. At this rate, we're never going to get rid of the most offensive team nickname in major professional sports. What's worse are the people that want to defend it, especially other minorities...I wonder if they'd feel the same way if the team name was a highly-offensive slur for their ethnicity or social minority.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)humanly possible, to join the 21st century.
surrealAmerican
(11,879 posts)Maybe the whole idea of granting a trademark, or enforcing one, is against the first amendment.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Trademark law is used all of the time to silence unions, critics and activists.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)The Government should not get to decide what is "offensive".
madinmaryland
(65,729 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But I think it's OK to have regulations restricting the broadcast time of subject matter that is "obscene, indecent, or profane", so that (for example) children are less likely to accidentally watch a rape scene. But if the FCC were to try to ban broadcasters from using the word "Redskins" during a telecast of a football game that would fall foul of the First Amendment.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And while I would love for Snyder to change the damn name already, I don't think the government should be making "special" laws to specifically punish him or his team.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I'm very glad FCC has no authority, nor say, over cable or sat tv.
Heeeeers Johnny
(423 posts)You have no... I repeat NO constitutional right not to feel "offended".
If you disagree with ones choice of words, terminology, phrasing, logos, etc, then there are other options
available to persuade that person or business to rethink their decisions.
It's NOT up to the government to decide what is offensive or not.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Nobody should be able to revoke your trademark based on some notion of offense. The Redskins shouldn't be censored into changing their name any more than the Asian American band. Let advocates and fans influence that decision.
Response to LittleBlue (Reply #33)
Monk06 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to philosslayer (Original post)
Monk06 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)You can't have guidelines for granting or denying a trademark based on how politically acceptable it is.
Trademark restrictions either have to exist outside political influence or not at all.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The government not granting a trademark IS NOT A SPEECH ISSUE.
The Washington football team has not had trademark protections for its logo and name for some time now. It has not hindered them ONE BIT from using it.
The ONLY thing it does is it prevents them exclusively making profits from it. This is an issue of profit, not speech rights.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Assuming Fuddruckers still exists, as I haven't seen one in a while, how long can it be before the inevitable Buttfuckers rebranding?
lame54
(39,771 posts)the circle jerks, black sabbath, joy division-new order, steely dan, porno for pyros, cherry poppin' daddies, bad religion, N.W.A.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The court made the right decision, and, yes, the name is offensive.
That's the price we pay, and one a thinking person realizes is worth the cost.