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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSyria: Did you know? 1 billion barrels of oil (or more) recently discovered in Golan Heights.
Israeli and American oilmen believe they have discovered a bonanza in this most inconvenient of sites. After three test-drillings, Yuval Bartov, the chief geologist of Genie Oil & Gas, a subsidiary of American-based Genie Energy, says his company thinks it has found an oil reservoir with the potential of billions of barrels.
https://www.rt.com/business/317906-oil-golan-heights-israel/
"A big oil deposit has been found in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, with enough reserves to last Israel for decades, according to the country's media.
The Israeli presence in the Golan Heights is in dispute. The region is internationally recognized Syrian territory that has been occupied by Israel since the 1967 Six-Day War between Israel and several Arab states. UN Resolution 242 (1967) demands the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from the territories occupied in the conflict. Israel disagrees with the wording of the resolution, saying the territories are disputable."
Edit: Added Economist link
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Step Two: Israel defies International Law by keeping stolen land.
Step Three: Israel brands all criticism of the land theft and refusal to follow International Law as anti-Semitism.
Step Four: The US shields Israel from any consequences.
All the while Palestinians are murdered and the US media ignores the issue. This is the true history of Israel that cannot be discussed in the media.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The response was the Khartoum Resolution.
"no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it..."
Peregrine
(992 posts)Leading up to the 67 war, Syria routinely fired artillery and rockets into Israel from the Golan Heights. Where was international law then?
In 67, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestinians attacked Israel. Where was International law?
Israel defeated the invaders and held strategic territory. I guess there shouldn't be any consequences for invading a country and losing.
Then in 73, they did it again and almost succeeded, bet you were bummed when they lost again. What kind of sanctions did the UN apply to the Arab countries--demanding that Israel return to pre-67 borders.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)In 1967, Israel pre-emptively attacked numerous Arab nations, claiming imminent danger. The inspiration for the "preemptive self-defense theory used by George W. Bush to justify his attack of Afghanistan and Iraq. (Oh well, any defense in a pinch I suppose.)
You might be interested in this:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-syria-tensions-remind-me-of-pre-1967-war-period-says-ex-intel-chief/
The Yadlin referred to in the article is Maj.-Gen (ret.) Amos Yadlin, a one-time fighter pilot, ex-head of IDF Military Intelligence and former Israeli military attaché to the US who now heads a prestigious Tel Aviv think tank. Hardly a critic of Israel.
There is no "strategic territory" concept to claim. That is a fiction used to justify land theft, and settlement on the stolen land. All of these concepts are illegal under International Law. (Again, any defense if needed.)
As to International Law, the UN and other agencies have all agreed that Israel has no claim to the land that it stole. The theft began in 1967 and continues to this day in Palestine. The US defends Israel by vetoing any proposed actions.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)Step Minus One: Syria uses Golan Heights as artillery platform to launch shells into Israel.
Step Zero: Syria joins Egypt in a war against Israel.
Revised Step One: Syria loses Golan Heights due to their inept attempt at war.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)In the reality-based world, drilling in the Golan is in the exploratory phase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights#Hydrocarbon_exploration
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)A RIG carrying out exploratory drilling is hardly a rare sight in the Middle East; but this is no ordinary place. Israeli flags fly on it, though no other country in the world recognises Israels sovereignty over the area. A few miles to the east, jihadist rebel groups are fighting a bloody war. And few people ever expected that significant amounts of oil might lie there at all, under a dormant volcanic field. Welcome to the Golan Heights.
Israeli and American oilmen believe they have discovered a bonanza in this most inconvenient of sites. After three test-drillings, Yuval Bartov, the chief geologist of Genie Oil & Gas, a subsidiary of American-based Genie Energy, says his company thinks it has found an oil reservoir with the potential of billions of barrels.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)does anything justify Israel stealing the Golan Heights and also stealing Syrian oil?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just curious what your take on that is from the reality-based world.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Israeli preconditions? That would be similar to me stealing your auto and then refusing to return the vehicle unless or until you agreed to certain conditions.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)ananda
(28,834 posts)... there were no oil in the world.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Breakthrough made in the Golan Heights close to the border with Syria
Layers of oil are thought to be ten times thicker than the global average
Oil company is backed by Dick Cheney and media mogul Rupert Murdoch
Experts say they won't know quantity or quality until they begin extracting
By Simon Tomlinson for MailOnline
Published: 10:15 EST, 8 October 2015 | Updated: 12:14 EST, 8 October 2015
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)close enough to slant-drill into it the way Saddam did to Kuwait's fields.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)the territory East of Israel. I refer to that big space between Israel and Jordan. Is it empty land, or does it have a name? Israel also steals resources from that territory. Looks like a pattern to me.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe direct your comments to that source?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It is the history of the Israeli State since 1948. Land theft, appropriation of resources, ignoring International Law, and claiming that criticism is rooted in anti-Semitism.
HoneychildMooseMoss
(251 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)After 1948, the history of that area was rewritten.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)A RIG carrying out exploratory drilling is hardly a rare sight in the Middle East; but this is no ordinary place. Israeli flags fly on it, though no other country in the world recognises Israels sovereignty over the area. A few miles to the east, jihadist rebel groups are fighting a bloody war. And few people ever expected that significant amounts of oil might lie there at all, under a dormant volcanic field. Welcome to the Golan Heights.
Israeli and American oilmen believe they have discovered a bonanza in this most inconvenient of sites. After three test-drillings, Yuval Bartov, the chief geologist of Genie Oil & Gas, a subsidiary of American-based Genie Energy, says his company thinks it has found an oil reservoir with the potential of billions of barrels.
http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21677597-geologists-israel-think-they-have-found-oilin-very-tricky-territory-black-gold
DFW
(54,277 posts)That way, reason #4,362 to kill more people in the area will be nullified.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)I take that to mean that it is probably full of confirmation bias, and the actual amount of oil to be found there is still unknown, but there is some.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Snow Leopard
(348 posts)Maybe we don't need to keep sending them billions now?