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kairos12

(12,843 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:36 PM Dec 2015

Woman Said she Redirected Tornado to Another Neighborhood When God Gave her authority over winds

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/texas-christian-claims-she-diverted-tornado-to-another-neighborhood-god-had-given-us-authority-over-the-winds/
snip:
Texas woman says her Christian faith gave her the power to redirect a tornado away from her home.

Sabrina Lowe, of Rowlett, said 10 family members were visiting her apartment Saturday when they heard the distinctive train noise of the approaching tornado, reported NPR.

“We actually went outside and started commanding the winds, because God had given us authority over the winds, the airways,” Lowe said.

Just wow.
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Woman Said she Redirected Tornado to Another Neighborhood When God Gave her authority over winds (Original Post) kairos12 Dec 2015 OP
. irisblue Dec 2015 #1
No more bizarre or crazy as other religious beliefs. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #2
No kidding! gratuitous Dec 2015 #17
+1 Hekate Dec 2015 #25
How do you feel about that woman steering the tornado away from her home and... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #32
How do I feel? catnhatnh Dec 2015 #35
I would expect no less from simpletons Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #45
Hey this is the DFW area Blus4u Dec 2015 #78
"Genuine Christians"? Really? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #82
Out of countless people I've met in my 52 years Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #89
Pardon me for the 2nd reply, but Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #95
TL;DR cleanhippie Dec 2015 #100
Not so much! atreides1 Dec 2015 #101
Religion has no standard other than belief. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #104
Right Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #102
Astronauts, like most professions, require education, training and experience. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #103
Yeah, but not actually Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #105
Your irony meter is broken. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #108
further discussion is futile Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #110
Thanks for that. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #112
That makes one of us Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #113
When you compare unicorns to God, but only believe one exists... cleanhippie Dec 2015 #114
Uh Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #120
Wait. We're discussing belief in a god, you make the reference to unicorns cleanhippie Dec 2015 #121
And I thought we were debating who is or isn't a genuine Christian Hayduke Bomgarte Dec 2015 #124
If you are accusing someone of not being a "genuine Christian" then you most certainly are cleanhippie Dec 2015 #125
Remember the saying about rational thought and religion Blecht Dec 2015 #130
I couldn't agree more. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #133
OK, then. I' m Batman. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #137
Yeah, being batman is the same as believing in a god. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #142
Ya know how I feel? meow2u3 Dec 2015 #52
Who cares? She is nuts. nt Logical Dec 2015 #140
Yeah, on the pain of eternal punishment and torture if you don't. NYC Liberal Dec 2015 #61
Sure, because those things are exclusive to religion, amirite? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #63
You were the one who said ALL gratuitous Dec 2015 #70
Sure, but belief in the absurd is the one shared characteristic of religious belief. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #74
So you have this power? gratuitous Dec 2015 #85
We all have it. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #99
Well I know one person who has that power... yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #115
The power of bad breath? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #118
super breath yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #119
That's humanity not religion Politicalboi Dec 2015 #81
Where you're standing must be enshrouded in fog. rug Dec 2015 #27
Same imaginary friend as far as I can tell. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #94
crazy? SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #55
Those are ideas exclusive to religion? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #64
Throughout history religion has led to more deaths than anything else. panader0 Dec 2015 #67
I'll take WW2 (80MM) and Genghis Khan (120 MM). rug Dec 2015 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author truebrit71 Dec 2015 #109
So she helped kill 11 people RockaFowler Dec 2015 #3
Right! She steered the storm away from her place right into other people's homes and she got... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #34
She hasn't thought this through. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #68
My thoughts exactly. Chemisse Dec 2015 #79
I guess she figures she out-prayed those 11 souls... Whiskeytide Dec 2015 #88
Wow. Just wow. matt819 Dec 2015 #4
Charming... uriel1972 Dec 2015 #5
Why aren't these people classified as mentally ill? LonePirate Dec 2015 #6
Yes. Yes it is. It's exactly because of that. whatthehey Dec 2015 #15
Let me follow this: rug Dec 2015 #33
No reason to know one way or the other whatthehey Dec 2015 #40
You consider it even feasible that this woman is the vanguard of theocracy? rug Dec 2015 #42
I have no idea of her influence or involvement in any movements. Do you? whatthehey Dec 2015 #43
I have an idea what actual theocracy is. rug Dec 2015 #44
Agreed there. But then I never made that claim did I? whatthehey Dec 2015 #49
What you did say (which I consider opinion not a claim) was: rug Dec 2015 #71
Pretty much, yes skepticscott Dec 2015 #92
Well I hope the victims sue her jberryhill Dec 2015 #7
She willfully, out of self-protection asked God to save her even if it causes other deaths. ladjf Dec 2015 #66
Religion had nothing to do with this whatthehey Dec 2015 #8
Heh, had me going for a sec... uriel1972 Dec 2015 #13
In that case, I will not attribute your post to religion. rug Dec 2015 #31
And you would be right not to. whatthehey Dec 2015 #41
I have authority over the winds too jberryhill Dec 2015 #9
That's no act of God, I can tell you that much. Orrex Dec 2015 #10
Hmmm... Would a sulfur smell be involved? Thor_MN Dec 2015 #21
OK.......... PatrickforO Dec 2015 #11
^^^That^^^. Yes, and yes! onecaliberal Dec 2015 #20
"Chosen people" and "elite of God" goes back a long way KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #91
This woman doesn't even have power over her own mind CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #12
For her next trick she will turn herself into a firetruck underpants Dec 2015 #18
I've ryan_cats Dec 2015 #14
hate it when someone not only beats me to a joke but has a better punchline dembotoz Dec 2015 #38
Pat Robertson would be so proud. lpbk2713 Dec 2015 #16
Ewwwwww... nt uriel1972 Dec 2015 #19
lock her up for murder then. these types of stories truly disgust me. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2015 #22
Narcissism combined with religion equals a toxic compost heap of a society. kairos12 Dec 2015 #24
Geeze. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #23
Clearly, she's been skipping her lithium dosages. nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #26
Hey! uriel1972 Dec 2015 #30
More like overdosing on religion. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #98
Government-approved insanity frightens me. nt valerief Dec 2015 #28
Sounds like she can't control her own wind. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #29
Twister Sister. GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #36
sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are one....latter in this case spanone Dec 2015 #37
Well isn't that special. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #39
Cuckoo for cocoa puffs.. n/t PasadenaTrudy Dec 2015 #46
and the "experts" tell you to take shelter Enrique Dec 2015 #47
So they are going to be brought up on attempted murder charges? Rex Dec 2015 #48
Heard this on NPR. WTF ? Why would NPR air this nonsense???? bowens43 Dec 2015 #50
I thought only witches could do that stuff. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #51
Too bad nobody in that other neighborhood thought of doing that tularetom Dec 2015 #53
Oh just had to say also, why didn't she cause the winds to die out and fade away? Rex Dec 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Io1989 Dec 2015 #56
She obviously doesn't bother reading her book very well hobbit709 Dec 2015 #57
This tornado loves you cali Dec 2015 #58
I LOVE Neko Case! JunkyardAngel83 Dec 2015 #96
Does she do lottery numbers? Vinca Dec 2015 #59
Yes I would like the numbers for tonight's Powerball please! Initech Dec 2015 #141
So the people "downwind" can sue, right? . . . n/t annabanana Dec 2015 #60
One of Satan's titles is/was "Prince of the Power of the Air"... uriel1972 Dec 2015 #62
That's a new version of an old joke. I think that she is going to discover ladjf Dec 2015 #65
And we are supposed to respect religious beliefs why exactly? DetlefK Dec 2015 #69
Too bad she didn't direct the winds to dissipate WhiteTara Dec 2015 #72
Her god gave her permission to kill her neighbors in order to save herself? Iggo Dec 2015 #73
So basically she asked God to flatten somebody else's house with a tornado? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #76
Well, isn't she a "darksided" so-and-so! Go kill THOSE people, now, you mean old wind, you~!!! MADem Dec 2015 #77
remember this one ... napkinz Dec 2015 #132
Ewwwww, it's a Very Sad DAY!! KKKKRISTIANS!!!!!!! SINNERS!!!!! LOL! MADem Dec 2015 #134
... napkinz Dec 2015 #143
Both of those women are... 3catwoman3 Dec 2015 #139
hmmm ... I wonder which Republican candidate they support napkinz Dec 2015 #144
I would hope the surviving familys who were not so lucky could have a case to sue her. randr Dec 2015 #80
...and your little dog too! Liberal In Texas Dec 2015 #83
really wondered why NPR chose to run that story of the storm rurallib Dec 2015 #84
when will she be indicted for murder? Takket Dec 2015 #86
A mighty wind Blue Owl Dec 2015 #87
She must be the last airbender. N/t actslikeacarrot Dec 2015 #90
I'm told we're not allowed to call this a delusion. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #93
if you believe somone rose from the dead Skittles Dec 2015 #97
What did the people in the other neighborhood ever do to her? Orsino Dec 2015 #106
What a religious nutjob.... truebrit71 Dec 2015 #107
This is the kind of story that makes most of us yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #111
How very Ben Carson of her suffragette Dec 2015 #116
poor woman, she is probably in the middle of a manic episode. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2015 #117
Sounds like the curses, spells and other magical junk of many other religions/cults, doesn't it? n/t bobthedrummer Dec 2015 #122
Burn the witch! NCLefty Dec 2015 #123
+1000 lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #146
dear lord,allow us to have univ. healthcare. wendylaroux Dec 2015 #126
Does this mean? abakan Dec 2015 #127
Can they be charged with murder of those who did die? CanonRay Dec 2015 #128
*** Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #129
Damn, I thought this floriduck Dec 2015 #131
this is just like the shooters excuse. mentally ill, crazy, off meds... JanMichael Dec 2015 #135
NOT fair. She said "unpopulated areas" NOT another neighborhood WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #136
This clearly classifies her as a religious terrorist. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #138
Religion is a scam rockfordfile Dec 2015 #145

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
2. No more bizarre or crazy as other religious beliefs.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015

From where I stand. ALL religious beliefs are as absurd as this.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. No kidding!
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:49 PM
Dec 2015

"Serve one another in love." Talk about absurd. Absolutely bizarre AND crazy. Don't even get me started on that feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, or housing the homeless. As if! People that do that are the very height of absurdity, and should be given a wide berth.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
32. How do you feel about that woman steering the tornado away from her home and...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:25 PM
Dec 2015

...towards the homes of other people?

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
45. I would expect no less from simpletons
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:00 PM
Dec 2015

Who have fooled themselves, along with many others, into believing they are genuine Christians.

Didn't Christ teach, "Avoid thine own misfortunes and miseries by first inflicting them on others"?

Blus4u

(608 posts)
78. Hey this is the DFW area
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:41 PM
Dec 2015

Home to countless mega churches, and way more than our share of televangelist, money grubbing end-timers AND this state is proud as punch to have launched Ted Cruz.

There are plenty around here willing to fool simpletons.


Now, please excuse me while I go throw up.

Peace

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
82. "Genuine Christians"? Really?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:33 PM
Dec 2015

Only those YOU determine are "genuine Christians" are?

You better tell about a billion or so people that they aren't "genuine Christians."

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
89. Out of countless people I've met in my 52 years
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:51 PM
Dec 2015

Who are self professed Christians, I'd estimate that as many as 3 to 5 actually walk the walk.

The rest? Well those would be like my sister in law, an aunt and a co-worker who donate a couple dented cans of unwanted veggies to food drives once or twice a year. They vote for the repub candidates who made their careers doing the very opposite of what their precious Jesus teaches, in the form of inflicting suffering on the poor, the elderly, the infirm, even the children they profess to care so deeply for, in the form of budget cuts to food, heating, housing assistance, the denial of medical care. Especially when the savings of those cuts is too often passed along as tax breaks to folks who already sit on more wealth than they could burn through in 10 lifetimes. Their votes are tantamount to hiring the elected officials to inflict these miseries, in direct conflict to what the bible teaches, and to do it in THEIR names as THEIR representatives. They're fine with that concept or they wouldn't vote that way. If you hire someone to commit a murder for you. you are legally and morally responsible. If you hire, ( vote for) someone to starve children, freeze the needy and elderly, you are also morally responsible and are in no way a genuine Christian.

Then there are the ones who insist gay marriage/life style is an abomination,and condemn those engaging in it while eating their ham dinners. Leviticus lists both as abominations, as well as things like laboring on the sabbath or have tattoos. These pious people mow yards on sundays, eat pork, in the form of BBQ, or on the 2 holiest if Christian days, Christmas and Easter, settling in for traditional baked ham dinners. These are the genuine Christians which you speak of? The ones who cherry pick which biblical "rules/laws" they'll live by and which ones YOU should live by? Please.

The routine hypocrisies displayed by such people aren't worth mention, being so obvious and numerous. The calls for prayers for elected officials to die horribly in plane crashes or slow, painful cancerous deaths cannot be described as genuinely Christian in any fashion connected to reality. Yes, I see and hear these types of things around me all the time. The prayers for a horrible end times to come soon and be mostly visited on those who differ from them. Michelle Bachman? Christian? LOL!

I suggest that anyone who attended sunday school/church as a kid knows the bible says when the time comes, few will be called. I understand how easy it must be to fool oneself, and other like/weak minded folks, into believing they are genuine, but they certainly are not.

Viewed in that light, which I can't help but do, the idea of a billion genuine Christians is laughable. It's my long considered opinion and conviction that there aren't more than a relative handful worldwide. Claiming to be one does not make it so and the vast bulk of the ones I encounter make the claim, but that's all.



Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
95. Pardon me for the 2nd reply, but
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:21 PM
Dec 2015

In my eagerness to qualify my remarks I failed to address what you actually said in your reply.

It seems you may be implying that I just arbitrarily make a determination who is genuine or phony. Nope. Sorry. I go by actions and words exhibited. War mongering members of Congress/Senate who make the claim and the public at large which vote for and support them. No. Hell no. Jimmy Carter? I'd say genuine. PBO, who I voted for twice and mostly support even now and who makes the claim? Nah. Or the KKK, which has at times purported to be a Christian organization? Come on. The white supremacist gun humpers, who make the claim, and who then shoot up planned parent-hoods and abortion clinics and their supporters? No. Pat Robertson or any of his televangical contemporaries? The very notion any one of them is or ever was genuine makes me giggle convulsively.

As far as telling a billion or so people that they are fakes and why? Given a platform to speak from that would command the attention of those billion, I'd relish the opportunity and try my best to make the most of it. However given their short attention spans, lack of focus and complete inability to exercise independent thought, given my experiences, it'd do little good.

Like my sister in law, my aunt and my co-worker, who all eat pork, labor on the sabbath and sport tattoos, they will see the glaring hypocrisies of others while failing or refusing to recognize their own, they just won't get it.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
100. TL;DR
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:59 AM
Dec 2015

If someone says they're a christian, then they're christian.

It's not rocket science, it's religion.

atreides1

(16,066 posts)
101. Not so much!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

That's really a low standard to go by!

For one thing a Christian is defined as "someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ", there are many who claim the title, but fail even that simple definition!

But, you are free to have your opinion, just as others are free to have their opinions!


Even religion has standards!

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
104. Religion has no standard other than belief.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:19 PM
Dec 2015

Everything else is other believers trying to dictate if said belief is good enough or not.

Just like you and your friend are doing here.

YOU don't get to decide who is and isn't a believer, only the one saying they believe gets to do that.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
102. Right
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:10 PM
Dec 2015

Then if I say I'm an astronaut, then I'm an astronaut. I expect to be taken at my word.

And speaking of religion, I also currently serve as an assistant Pope.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
103. Astronauts, like most professions, require education, training and experience.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:17 PM
Dec 2015

Being a believer of a religion takes only belief.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
105. Yeah, but not actually
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:21 PM
Dec 2015

following or living by the teachings of the bible.

I believe in unicorns, flying elephants and ghosts, so by your reasoning they are real. Gotcha.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
108. Your irony meter is broken.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:33 PM
Dec 2015

If you cannot see the absurdity in your position, further discussion is futile.

Unicorns are just as real as your God.


The "teachings" of the bible are a personal interpretation, not a universal understanding. That's why there are thousands of different sects of Christianity; everyone has their own interpretations
Of what the bible means to them.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
114. When you compare unicorns to God, but only believe one exists...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:59 PM
Dec 2015

Reason has not been used at all.


So thanks for the compliment.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
120. Uh
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:03 PM
Dec 2015

I not only made no such comparison, but also never once mentioned God, as such, as anyone capable of reading at an 8th grade level would easily and immediately recognize.

Reading comprehension has not been used at all.

Apologies for the length of time in responding. I had pressing Asst. Pope duties to attend to.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
121. Wait. We're discussing belief in a god, you make the reference to unicorns
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:14 PM
Dec 2015

That if you believe in them, they must be real, and I respond with they are just as real as your God. You then ignore your own comparison.

I took your unicorn comment to be sarcasm. Was I wrong?

If it was sarcasm, why is belief in unicorns any more absurd than belief in a god?

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
124. And I thought we were debating who is or isn't a genuine Christian
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015

As I recall, you made the assertion that if one has the faith in the assumption that one is a genuine Christian, one is. Simple as that, not rocket science, I believe is how you phrased it. I never intended to call into question anyones belief in God, only self proclaimed Christians devotion and sincerity, which I percieve as lacking in the vast majority of those self procalimed. I stand by that.

I believe one can believe in God, yet not follow the teachings of Christ, conduct ones self in a thoroughly hypocritical manner in the ways I described and more, and fool themselves and others into honestly believing they are genuine Christians, when they are decidedly and demonstrably not.

That's been my position through this entire back and forth. And as I said earlier, it is said in the good book, I'm told though not sure of the wording, when the time comes, FEW will be called. Few and billion do not reconcile in that context, or in any other context I can imagine. My issue and amusement stem from your contention that there are a billion "genuine bona fide Christians" and that they are genuine because they believe they are genuine, even though the words and actions of the vast majority, in my experience, show they are not. Either way, few and billion are at far opposite ends of any conceivable spectrum and are not and cannot be synonymous. Therefore if few will be called it will not and can not amount to anywhere near a billion.

Is it possible that we've each failed to fully understand the others position and have been arguing based on faulty perceptions?



cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
125. If you are accusing someone of not being a "genuine Christian" then you most certainly are
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

questioning their belief in their God.

That's the thing about religious belief; if you believe it, there's nothing anyone else can say whether you are a "genuine" believer or not.

That's why there are so many sects of each religion; people like you didn't agree with how others chose to live their faith so they started a new denomination. To say someone is not a "genuine Christian" smacks of arrogance and condescension, and demonstrates an inability to understand exactly how or why other believe differently than you.

And those same folks you don't consider "genuine Christians" don't consider YOU one either.

I take it you're a believer, and consider yourself a "genuine Christian". Have you ever heard of the No True Scotsman fallacy? I think you should look it up.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
130. Remember the saying about rational thought and religion
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:55 PM
Dec 2015

It goes something like this:
It is not possible to have a rational discussion with religious people. If they were capable of rational thought, they would not be religious.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
142. Yeah, being batman is the same as believing in a god.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:29 PM
Dec 2015

Yet another one that can't see past their privilege.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
52. Ya know how I feel?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:11 PM
Dec 2015

I feel she needs to find the nearest psych hospital and check herself in. That woman's not quite right in the head.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
61. Yeah, on the pain of eternal punishment and torture if you don't.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

Either religious people do it for that reason (not getting punishment), in which case I don't quite see it as very noble; or they would do it regardless of their religious beliefs, in which case the religion is irrelevant.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
63. Sure, because those things are exclusive to religion, amirite?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

Oh wait, they're not. Only the absurd beliefs in the supernatural are.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
70. You were the one who said ALL
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

Also, if you think a belief in exercising personal power over a tornado is exclusive to religious persons, I'd say you need to get out more.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
74. Sure, but belief in the absurd is the one shared characteristic of religious belief.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

Being good to others isn't a belief, nor is it religious, it's a behavior.

Belief in dead people coming back to life, miracles, power over tornadoes....all religious, all absurd.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
85. So you have this power?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:25 PM
Dec 2015

You can determine when a person's religious beliefs inform their behavior or when their behavior is independent of any religious belief or practices? Amazing! One might almost say mystical or miraculous.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
99. We all have it.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 11:33 AM
Dec 2015

What makes it super easy is when they say their religion informs their behavior, like the woman in the OP did.

Or when one fiercely defends religion from critique, much like you're doing.


Have a nice day!

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
27. Where you're standing must be enshrouded in fog.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

I doubt you are truly unable to distinguish between the Beatitudes and controlling weather. No rational person is.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
64. Those are ideas exclusive to religion?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015

Uhm, no, they're not. Just the absurd beliefs in the supernatural are.

Response to rug (Reply #75)

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
34. Right! She steered the storm away from her place right into other people's homes and she got...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:27 PM
Dec 2015

...11 people killed and she's bragging about it!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
68. She hasn't thought this through.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:50 PM
Dec 2015

Which, obviously, is the reason she believes she has this kind of power. She doesn't "think."

Is she Vayu?

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
79. My thoughts exactly.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:44 PM
Dec 2015

But apparently, God only cares about HER family (and probably her sports team, her country, etc).

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
88. I guess she figures she out-prayed those 11 souls...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:50 PM
Dec 2015

... and so they kind of deserved it? I don't know. Have to be some kind of narcissist to think like that.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
4. Wow. Just wow.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:41 PM
Dec 2015

Of course, the trade-off is that she directed them elsewhere, where they killed other people. Kind of like Ben Carson telling the Popeye's robbers that they wanted to threaten the clerk, not him. Good Christians all.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
6. Why aren't these people classified as mentally ill?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:42 PM
Dec 2015

Is it because we have been programmed to accept religious views as mainstream and normal regardless of how cuckoo they are?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
15. Yes. Yes it is. It's exactly because of that.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Dec 2015

Which is why sensible people must never fall for the bleating complaints that "harmless" religious make-believe should be held above reproach and criticism and ridicule. Because giving into that makes room for the theocrazies to claim the same respect. Respect is earned. Make-believe deserves none as an adult modus operandi.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
40. No reason to know one way or the other
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:48 PM
Dec 2015

But I do know her statements show a level of delusion that, were it not based in religion, would warrant at the very least total and complete rejection from all quarters and quite probably serious consideration of mental health needs. The fact that it and others of the same ilk are not routinely treated like that outside some left-leaning internet forums like this one is precisely why those who definitely are on the vanguard of theocracy get to keep pushing their anti-science bronze age regressive nonsense onto a supposedly secular society, because almost everyone is too scared of the usual vicious Christian backlash, or too cowed by convention-driven "respect" for religious claptrap, to call a delusion a delusion.



whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
49. Agreed there. But then I never made that claim did I?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:05 PM
Dec 2015

She is a deluded idiot however, or do you find her claims credible?

She should be treated as a deluded idiot, as should anyone who makes such patently absurd claims of magical murder, or do you find her attitude either believable or laudable?

People who do seek a US theocracy should likewise be treated when they make deluded and idiotic statements, or do you either believe no one wants theocracy in the US or that they are not deluded idiots?


Those are my opinions clearly stated. I wonder if you could share yours equally clearly about the truth, laudability and desirability of either her statements or theocracy in the US, or both? I bet not.


 

rug

(82,333 posts)
71. What you did say (which I consider opinion not a claim) was:
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:40 PM
Dec 2015
The fact that it and others of the same ilk are not routinely treated like that outside some left-leaning internet forums like this one is precisely why those who definitely are on the vanguard of theocracy get to keep pushing their anti-science bronze age regressive nonsense onto a supposedly secular society,

(pause for cigarette break)

because almost everyone is too scared of the usual vicious Christian backlash, or too cowed by convention-driven "respect" for religious claptrap, to call a delusion a delusion.

You seem miffed at "left-leaning internet forums like this one". Why is that?

To answer your questions, I wouldn't call her deluded any more than I would call that statement deluded. Whether she is mentally ill or not, I leave to professionals. I suspect she's gullible, ignorant and needy. Just mho of course.

As to theocracy, its core component is political and social control through the harnessing of religion. To what end? Hint: it's not salvation. In any event, it will not appear riding on the backs of some poor woman cursing clouds. It begins with the classification of humans into groups, proceeds to demonizing one or more of those groups, and is consolidated by elevating those within the selected groups. By all measures, this woman is counterproductive to that end.

Now, how much did you bet?
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
92. Pretty much, yes
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:29 PM
Dec 2015

When people say they hear a voice in their head, and do what it tells them, we usually classify them as mentally ill, unless they call the voice "god" or "jesus", in which case people think it's just wonderful and defer to them obsequiously.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
66. She willfully, out of self-protection asked God to save her even if it causes other deaths.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

The victims might have a chance.


whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
8. Religion had nothing to do with this
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:43 PM
Dec 2015

It's either mental illness or lack of social support alternatives.


Religion cannot make you do stupid things according to DU, even when religious people give religious reasons for their actions. They are simply misguided.


Poe is becoming Moebius.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
11. OK..........
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Dec 2015

So.........does this mean that God likes this lady better than the people in the neighborhood the redirected tornado ended up in? Because those people suffered mightily. Tornadoes suck. Both figuratively and literally.

Seems like instead of just redirecting the tornado into another neighborhood, maybe she should have used that 'authority' to calm the winds for everyone.

Just a thought. But I guess most Christians these days don't think about other people quite so much unless they are a target for conversion. The harvesting of souls, you know. And, as to salvation, it is not considered to be collective in this perversion of what the faith probably was once. Salvation is now individual - the person says a 'sinner's prayer' and then is guaranteed entry into heaven.

But...what about the state of our earth now? Doesn't that mean something? And what about all the economic and social violence? The abject poverty, the wars? Shouldn't 'salvation' be collective, and shouldn't it be for all of us right now, right here?

Just saying...

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
91. "Chosen people" and "elite of God" goes back a long way
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:28 PM
Dec 2015

From Genesis on it's all about God picking the winners and losers. Jews in the old testament were told to kill everything living thing in a certain village and then take it over countless times. American fundies consider themselves the favored ones just like the Jews of the old testament.

Unfortunately I understand this bunch better than I'd like.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
12. This woman doesn't even have power over her own mind
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Dec 2015

She's a delusional freak who thinks that she controls the weather.

If God gave her authority over the winds, why didn't she simply stop the tornado?

She does realize that her special power killed several people? What does her God have to say about that? I suppose they deserved it, or God just wanted them up in heaven.

Oh brother...

lpbk2713

(42,737 posts)
16. Pat Robertson would be so proud.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015



Just be sure to send him an appropriate "love offering" for using his powers by proxy.


NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
22. lock her up for murder then. these types of stories truly disgust me.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

When I used to watch TV, local news always had this "god spared me" stuff when the neighbors got killed. don't get me started....just incredible narcissism - toxically blended with religion.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
30. Hey!
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 02:24 PM
Dec 2015

Don't have to be bipolar or schizo to be crazy you know. Lot's of people achieve it without a biological disorder!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
47. and the "experts" tell you to take shelter
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:02 PM
Dec 2015

this lady knows the real way to deal with tornados: take control of the wind!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
48. So they are going to be brought up on attempted murder charges?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

Hey why not? Batshit crazy deserves it's day in court too.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
51. I thought only witches could do that stuff.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:06 PM
Dec 2015

I think people who are the off from reality are just sad to me.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
53. Too bad nobody in that other neighborhood thought of doing that
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:11 PM
Dec 2015

Just think, if we all did that, we could direct them tornadoes to countries where only Moooslims live.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
54. Oh just had to say also, why didn't she cause the winds to die out and fade away?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

Just thought about this, if God did so then he was testing her to see what humans would do. Sadly she failed and humanity is doomed for another 1000 years to ride without Jesus.

Thanks lady!

Response to kairos12 (Original post)

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
57. She obviously doesn't bother reading her book very well
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

Ecclesiastes 8:8 —

As no one has power over the wind to contain it, so no one has power over the time of their death. As no one is discharged in time of war, so wickedness will not release those who practice it.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
65. That's a new version of an old joke. I think that she is going to discover
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:24 PM
Dec 2015

that most of the time, God will again give her power over the tornado direction.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
69. And we are supposed to respect religious beliefs why exactly?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:23 PM
Dec 2015

This is acceptable?

Insane and demented rantings are suddenly and magically no longer insane and demented if somebody connects them to some religion?

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
73. Her god gave her permission to kill her neighbors in order to save herself?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:03 PM
Dec 2015

She must be very special.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,596 posts)
76. So basically she asked God to flatten somebody else's house with a tornado?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:34 PM
Dec 2015

Lots of Christian love right there.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. Well, isn't she a "darksided" so-and-so! Go kill THOSE people, now, you mean old wind, you~!!!
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

I've noticed that the word "actually" is sometimes, though not always, accompanied by a load of horse shit that can be smelled from Los Angeles CA to Bangor, ME!


MADem

(135,425 posts)
134. Ewwwww, it's a Very Sad DAY!! KKKKRISTIANS!!!!!!! SINNERS!!!!! LOL!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:45 PM
Dec 2015

Amazing how people can profess to be from a faith and not understand a flipping thing about the tenets of it!!!

randr

(12,409 posts)
80. I would hope the surviving familys who were not so lucky could have a case to sue her.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:56 PM
Dec 2015

With great power comes responsibility.

rurallib

(62,382 posts)
84. really wondered why NPR chose to run that story of the storm
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:24 PM
Dec 2015

and not some others that I am sure they had that were more - I guess I'll say normal?
NPR everyday sounds more and more like all other media promoting the crazies and the conspiracy theories.

Listened to their afternoon show today and turned it off after @ 10 minutes after an interview with really crappy followup questions. Can't even remember what it was about - oh yeah bullet proof backpacks for kids. Interviewer never asked the parent if they were doing anything to stop shootings or working for gun control.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
93. I'm told we're not allowed to call this a delusion.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:32 PM
Dec 2015

So I guess it's just happy fun thoughts or something.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
111. This is the kind of story that makes most of us
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:44 PM
Dec 2015

sane people cringe. She is probably a Trump Supporter, and low information..everything!

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
122. Sounds like the curses, spells and other magical junk of many other religions/cults, doesn't it? n/t
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:20 PM
Dec 2015

CanonRay

(14,084 posts)
128. Can they be charged with murder of those who did die?
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:51 PM
Dec 2015

After all, they directed the winds! These people are seriously deranged.

JanMichael

(24,873 posts)
135. this is just like the shooters excuse. mentally ill, crazy, off meds...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:58 PM
Dec 2015

...bullshit it is what it is. religion period. no excuses.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
136. NOT fair. She said "unpopulated areas" NOT another neighborhood
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:02 PM
Dec 2015

...on the other hand, she didn't seem to care that she fucked it up and killed her neighbors.

rockfordfile

(8,697 posts)
145. Religion is a scam
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:24 PM
Dec 2015

I think that religion is a scam and built upon greed. I think that the woman has some sort of mental problem, but then again this is Texas.

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