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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:34 PM Dec 2015

'Worst idea ever': Mattel under fire over toy car driven by live cricket kept in motion sensor cage



Barbie maker Mattel has come under fire over a toy car that is driven by a live insect kept inside a plastic cage attached to the device.

Bug Racer was condemned as the ‘worst toy idea ever’ because it is inhumane to crickets, which are nocturnal and tend to sleep during the day.

Instead their routine will be upended and children as young as six will be goading them into steering the car by touching sensors inside their living module.

Mattel joked that the device comes with ‘crickets not included’ and that it is ‘the first vehicle that puts real crickets behind the wheel’.

But animal rights group Peta last night branded it ‘as cruel as it is ridiculous’ and demanded it be taken off the shelves immediately.




The habitat can hold up to five crickets, and features four different driving modes. Crickets will have to be purchased separately, and Mattel recommends medium to large crickets for best vehicle operation, around an inch in length. The cricket-powered car is not just a toy, but a learning experience for the owners


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376520/Worst-idea-Mattel-fire-toy-car-driven-live-cricket-kept-motion-sensor-cage-wheel.html
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'Worst idea ever': Mattel under fire over toy car driven by live cricket kept in motion sensor cage (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 OP
It is not good to teach children to treat other lives as toys to tblue37 Dec 2015 #1
+1 !!! In_The_Wind Dec 2015 #2
On Facebook users were unimpressed and said it was inhumane. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #3
Thank you. Octafish Dec 2015 #15
That's what we have Republicans for. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2015 #24
disgusting roody Dec 2015 #4
I swear this could have been on the 1970s exboyfil Dec 2015 #5
Omg Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #8
Almost right up there with "Bag O' Glass". roamer65 Dec 2015 #87
You think that one looks like satire? Try this: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #92
Probably the worst toy idea since Fox News Correspondent Barbie. Initech Dec 2015 #6
this is BULL ! WHAT A CRAP TOY. Mattel, killing crickets. SHAME SHAME ON YOU piece of garbage trueblue2007 Dec 2015 #7
Killing crickets is ok exboyfil Dec 2015 #10
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #18
I suspect if you asked the crickets if they would prefer to drive the car or be eaten by the mantis Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #35
Do people eat grasshoppers or crickets? LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #60
Yeah. My kid who thinks most new foods are "gross", ate a lollipop with a cricket inside once Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #68
Let me introduce you to cricket flour! aidbo Dec 2015 #73
I had no idea they made that! LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #89
I suspect crickets would prefer to maintain a natural life in natural environment. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #61
it was rational in the context of the post I was responding to, sir. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #67
Having a cricket drive a plastic car Texasgal Dec 2015 #78
No that has no intellectual value exboyfil Dec 2015 #80
i hope the public pressure causes a pull of this sociopathic "toy" restorefreedom Dec 2015 #9
Peta Egnever Dec 2015 #11
Brief N/T catnhatnh Dec 2015 #14
True. My motto is: They get to live outside, but not in my house. Hekate Dec 2015 #32
Yeah, they're noisy buggers, I hate it when they get into the house Warpy Dec 2015 #55
Something that's not engendering entertainment through cruelty. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #62
Jiminy would disaprove and so do I suffragette Dec 2015 #12
This toy will get pulled off the sheves after the first time SwankyXomb Dec 2015 #13
Honestly, why is this all that much worse than, say, an ant farm? Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #16
It is about what the child is learning--which is nothing good or humane. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #17
I guess. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #21
I don't worry so much about the bugs but about the process whereby tblue37 Dec 2015 #22
I suppose. But is it really "suffering"? The bugs are in a clear box. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #26
Recognizing our faults is step one. Being sincere about it is step two. Good luck, little cowboy!!! LanternWaste Dec 2015 #63
Another one of my faults is, I'm a terrible liar. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #69
The ants in an ant farm probably believe that they are in the wild. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #45
I guess. I must confess I'm just not feeling the outrage, on this one. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #47
I guess the question is, if you had 2 weeks to live, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #48
Hell, I'm rubbing my legs together and creating a chirping sound as we speak! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #56
They just need to make a car for my bearded dragon so he has a chance to catch his food. Quackers Dec 2015 #82
Is that some kind of sexual euphemism? Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #83
"I just cant keep up with you kids" Quackers Dec 2015 #84
Indeed. It's called a "quaalude". Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #85
Sir, if you can find quaaludes, you're not a man, you're a god! Quackers Dec 2015 #86
Oh, I can find em, alright. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #88
here is a petition restorefreedom Dec 2015 #19
Thx Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #49
Still can't top the fly powered airplane Heeeeers Johnny Dec 2015 #20
OMG! Those flies are being *crucifed*! nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #23
"None of them will have experienced anything like this before" - undoubtedly, true. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #37
Concept is up there with the human centipede Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #44
Now that's a project! completely homemade, requiring some skill, mountain grammy Dec 2015 #81
How on earth does this provide a learning experience? cali Dec 2015 #25
I LEARNED THAT CRICKETS ARE SHITTY DRIVERS! Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #38
Important information, for sure! cali Dec 2015 #57
Crickets..... Lint Head Dec 2015 #27
How long has this toy been on the market? Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #28
I was just thinking along those lines. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #33
$30 on Amazon right now. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #34
the news articles about it are posted around dec 10th Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #51
The story I saw was posted today. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #54
It made it to market because some big shot at mattel thought it was a good idea, and his people hughee99 Dec 2015 #74
I was thinking the same thing. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #75
The phrase "Please proceed" may have been uttered to them once or twice. n/t hughee99 Dec 2015 #76
Fuckin' twisted! nt valerief Dec 2015 #29
Houseflies are lower in my esteem than crickets, yet it is still wrong to pull their wings off Hekate Dec 2015 #30
It's gonna backlash right into huge sales, I bet. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #36
I seldom agree with PETA because they are so over-the-top, but I hope Mattel is embarassed. nt Hekate Dec 2015 #40
This can't be reaL Iggo Dec 2015 #31
toysrus ad below Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #50
I had one delivered by amazon, it was left on the welcome mat and you know what happened. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #39
At least the crickets met their destiny and the Door Buzzard got a Xmas dinner... Hekate Dec 2015 #41
Using a buzzard in that fashion probably would not please peta, either. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #42
OMG, I have to check back into the Door Buzzard thread to see if a PETA subthread has appeared! Hekate Dec 2015 #43
Is the cricket considered a bug or a feature? (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #46
Please tell me this is from "The Onion" or Borowitz. brush Dec 2015 #52
Sadly no Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #53
My son would love this... ileus Dec 2015 #58
As kids we used crickets as bait for fishing. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #59
As a cricket, given the choice between (1) having a metal hook shoved up my ass Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #66
"Wot? My idea of 'EAVEN would be to..." Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #71
Sounds like a toy every budding sociopath would enjoy LanternWaste Dec 2015 #64
If only factory farming created this reaction. bunnies Dec 2015 #65
... Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #70
well played. bunnies Dec 2015 #93
Dumb idea Spirochete Dec 2015 #72
Never send a cricket to do a hamster's job. n/t Binkie The Clown Dec 2015 #77
what twisted fuck came up with this dlwickham Dec 2015 #79
It has not hurt their stock price Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #90
I suppose this will do until something worth freaking out about comes along Orrex Dec 2015 #91

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
1. It is not good to teach children to treat other lives as toys to
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dec 2015

dominate, abuse, and manipulate for their own entertainment--even if the life is just that of an insect. The cricket isn't being used as a pet but as a "thing."

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
3. On Facebook users were unimpressed and said it was inhumane.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:42 PM
Dec 2015

The safety tips in the instruction manual include: don’t play with the vehicle upside down and don’t store it in direct sunlight.

For those unwilling to touch the crickets the Bug Racer comes with a small grabber which allows you to transport them.

On Facebook users were unimpressed and said it was inhumane.

Merrica Forsaith-Smith wrote: ‘Crickets don’t live very long, just a couple of weeks so now we torture them for that time.


Lyn Brown wrote: ‘Please tell me this is a joke. Will there next “toy” pull wings off butterflies?’

Adam Woodall wrote: ‘Tell me this is not real’.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Thank you.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:58 PM
Dec 2015

Life is not to be toyed with, even with insects.



"Even the smallest insect, with its intricate structure, is far more complex than either an atom or a star." -- Martin Rees

http://www.newstatesman.com/sci-tech/sci-tech/2012/05/limits-science-martin-rees

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
87. Almost right up there with "Bag O' Glass".
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:51 AM
Dec 2015

All you need is Dan Ackroyd as the spokesperson.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,210 posts)
92. You think that one looks like satire? Try this:
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 11:30 AM
Dec 2015


This really was produced by Mattel, apparently. I wonder if the whole project just started as an internal spoof, and got out of hand.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
10. Killing crickets is ok
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:50 PM
Dec 2015

Lots of folks have insects, reptiles and amphibians for pets. The crickets should not be tortured for entertainment though. We fed crickets to a praying mantis that the girls kept for a time. It is part of learning about nature.

Response to exboyfil (Reply #10)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
35. I suspect if you asked the crickets if they would prefer to drive the car or be eaten by the mantis
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:10 PM
Dec 2015

They would choose the former.

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
60. Do people eat grasshoppers or crickets?
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:33 AM
Dec 2015

I've heard you can fry grasshoppers or crickets up and the little buggers taste pretty good.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
68. Yeah. My kid who thinks most new foods are "gross", ate a lollipop with a cricket inside once
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015


and said it tasted "nutty".

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
89. I had no idea they made that!
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:35 AM
Dec 2015

Gotta love the internet. I might buy some and bread my chicken with it. Thanks for the link. I can't wait to show this to my friends.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. I suspect crickets would prefer to maintain a natural life in natural environment.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

I suspect crickets would prefer to maintain a natural life in natural environment, regardless of marketing ploy. However, I bow to your suspicions on what crickets do and do not want... even if couched in another irrational either-or qualifier.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
67. it was rational in the context of the post I was responding to, sir.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 06:41 PM
Dec 2015

To wit, the proposition that it is "natural" and hence somehow preferable to the crickets to feed them to a mantis, but "unnatural" to put them in a box that drives a toy car.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
80. No that has no intellectual value
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:48 PM
Dec 2015

Still it is better than the flies glued to the wings of an airplane (see one of the other posts).

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
9. i hope the public pressure causes a pull of this sociopathic "toy"
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:50 PM
Dec 2015

no doubt dreamt up by a "prolife" republican.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
11. Peta
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015


Millions of crickets bred in boxes to feed to various pets but having one as a pet that drives your toy car is cruel...

Odd toy to be sure, but cruel and unusual to crickets is a stretch. How about stepping on them when you see them in your kitchen? Whats that??

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
32. True. My motto is: They get to live outside, but not in my house.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:25 PM
Dec 2015

Comes of growing up in a climate where cockroaches are inevitable even for a clean-freak like my mother. 60 years later I am still so fast with a rubber slipper it could make your head spin.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
55. Yeah, they're noisy buggers, I hate it when they get into the house
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:59 AM
Dec 2015

At least the big desert cucarachas are quiet. I don't hit them with anything, they tend to splatter and they're enormous so there's a lot to clean up. I just try to keep all food sealed in jars with screw tops to discourage them. Mostly it works.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. Something that's not engendering entertainment through cruelty.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:10 AM
Dec 2015

" Whats that?? "

Something that's not engendering entertainment through cruelty. A difficult concept for the irrational and the child, but as you're neither...

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
13. This toy will get pulled off the sheves after the first time
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

some kid drops it and spills live crickets all over his house.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
16. Honestly, why is this all that much worse than, say, an ant farm?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

I mean, I suspect ants don't adapt naturally to being in a lucite box.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. I guess.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:10 PM
Dec 2015

I've seen kids eat lollipops with crickets inside them, for "educational" purposes (apparently they contain lots of protein, and taste vaguely of nuts) ... I don't subscribe to the Jainist/Peta philosophy of "all living things are inherently 100% equal", myself, preferring, for better or worse, something of a sliding scale based upon sentience, etc.

So I guess I'm not that wrought out over the crickets.

I know, I'm a horrible human being and the Dalai Lama will no doubt revoke my karma card any minute now.

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
22. I don't worry so much about the bugs but about the process whereby
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:16 PM
Dec 2015

impressionable young minds are desensitized to the needs and possible suffering of other lives--and as a form of play.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. I suppose. But is it really "suffering"? The bugs are in a clear box.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

Not really all that different from other clear boxes bugs might be put in, except in this case it's driving a car. No doubt the bugs are not aware that they are driving the car, only that they are in a clear box.

Now if putting a bug in a clear box is morally objectionable, fair enough, but it seems to me the specific objection here is that the bugs in the clear box are unwittingly performing an additional function which kids might find entertaining.

I hear your point, but I don't think it's as clear as "torturing insects for entertainment".

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
63. Recognizing our faults is step one. Being sincere about it is step two. Good luck, little cowboy!!!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:11 AM
Dec 2015

"I know, I'm a horrible human being..."

Recognizing our faults is step one. Being sincere about it is step two. Good luck, little cowboy!!!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
45. The ants in an ant farm probably believe that they are in the wild.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

I doubt that they are smart enough to pick up on Junior's enormous eyeball peering in at them. They have soil, food, everything that they need.

The crickets, on the other hand, will instantly pick up on the fact that they are in an entirely alien habitat. There are no cricket cars, controls, and high speed insect transportation in nature. This will disorient and alarm them. Or on the other hand maybe they will think it's awesome and a very attractive alternative to sitting in the yard bored out of their minds doing that chirping sound all night.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. I guess. I must confess I'm just not feeling the outrage, on this one.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:48 AM
Dec 2015

My kid used to have a bug vacuum and a little plastic case to keep em in. I figured it was encouraging scientific inquiry, not sociopathic cruelty.

This doesn't strike me as all that different; it's kind of like a hamster wheel, the fact that the motion causes the car to drive doesn't sound to me like it directly impacts the crickets' quality of life, so to speak-- so I'm reticent to call it "torture".

Certainly the person upthread who bemoans this but "naturally" feeds crickets to a praying mantis... I have to think the crickets would rather drive a tiny car than be a tiny meal.

There are no cricket cars, controls, and high speed insect transportation in nature.

Au Contraire, Mon Frere! We have created them, and so now there are.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
48. I guess the question is, if you had 2 weeks to live,
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:52 AM
Dec 2015

would you choose to (a) experience some utterly crazy thing that almost nobody in your species has or will ever experience, or (b) sit there rubbing your legs together to create a chirping sound for your remaining lifespan? I don't claim to be a formally trained insect transportation ethicist but there are clearly arguments for either.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
56. Hell, I'm rubbing my legs together and creating a chirping sound as we speak!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:09 AM
Dec 2015

er, my friend is.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
83. Is that some kind of sexual euphemism?
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:54 PM
Dec 2015

I just cant keep up with you kids and your hep internet memes!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
88. Oh, I can find em, alright.
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 03:17 AM
Dec 2015

They're embedded in the mists of my memory, right between 8 track tapes and "The Six Million Dollar Man".

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
81. Now that's a project! completely homemade, requiring some skill,
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:50 PM
Dec 2015

splitting that match stick and all, and building the little plane. On a rainy day, this could keep them busy for hours. Of course I would insist the flies be treated humanely.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
28. How long has this toy been on the market?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

If I were a toy collector, I would buy as many of them as I could. NIB they become valuable in the future.

I can sort of understand Mattel floating the idea for this toy in R&D, but for it to get to market shows an incredible lack of judgement. Why didn't anyone at Mattel speak up and point out what a bad idea this was?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
33. I was just thinking along those lines.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

this might be worth money in the future if it gets pulled off of the shelves.

I understand the feelings people have towards it though.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
34. $30 on Amazon right now.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:24 PM
Dec 2015

I wonder how many they sold. When I was a kid, crickets creeped me out, but I was ok with grasshoppers.

The fly thing upthread reminded me of something I saw a kid do in the 8th grade. He caught a fly in his hand, bounced it lightly on a desk and got a strand of hair from a girl with long hair. He tied the hair to the fly. It revived and tried to fly away. He had a fly on a leash. He was walking through the halls at lunch hour. I think a teacher told him to knock it off. He let go and the fly took off, except he had tied a tiny piece of paper to the other end. I'm sure the fly tired out and maybe got away, maybe not.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
74. It made it to market because some big shot at mattel thought it was a good idea, and his people
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:06 PM
Dec 2015

were either afraid to tell him or more likely thought that such a stupid idea would get him fired (or at least reassigned).

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
30. Houseflies are lower in my esteem than crickets, yet it is still wrong to pull their wings off
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

It's wrong to pull the wings off flies. It's wrong to use a magnifying glass to burn anthills.

And this "toy" that some dumbass at Mattel claims is "a learning experience for the owners," is absolutely appalling. What are kids supposed to learn? That cruelty to other living beings is okay? That the pain and suffering of other living beings in our care is just an abstract notion?

This isn't even a "science experiment" for which I could see some use -- it's an amusement.

I hope the backlash burns them badly.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
36. It's gonna backlash right into huge sales, I bet.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:18 PM
Dec 2015

If the success of peta's prior campaigns-- i.e. "a holocaust on your plate" To get people to stop eating turkey on thanksgiving, etc. is any indication.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
40. I seldom agree with PETA because they are so over-the-top, but I hope Mattel is embarassed. nt
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:42 PM
Dec 2015

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
39. I had one delivered by amazon, it was left on the welcome mat and you know what happened.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:23 PM
Dec 2015

God damn door buzzard et all the crickets.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
41. At least the crickets met their destiny and the Door Buzzard got a Xmas dinner...
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:44 PM
Dec 2015

...which Dman's wife no doubt complained about.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
43. OMG, I have to check back into the Door Buzzard thread to see if a PETA subthread has appeared!
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 10:53 PM
Dec 2015

See you there....

ileus

(15,396 posts)
58. My son would love this...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:18 AM
Dec 2015

after watching the experiment he could then hit the pond next door and catch a few bass.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
59. As kids we used crickets as bait for fishing.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 09:18 AM
Dec 2015

Putting one on a hook and tossing it into the water seems worse than this.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
66. As a cricket, given the choice between (1) having a metal hook shoved up my ass
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:23 PM
Dec 2015

and being flung into a river to be eaten by a fish and (2) driving a car, it would not be a difficult decision.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. Sounds like a toy every budding sociopath would enjoy
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:13 AM
Dec 2015

Sounds like a toy every budding sociopath would enjoy-- brings out their talents. Sounds like a toy every half-witted yokel would rationalize-- and they are.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
72. Dumb idea
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:01 PM
Dec 2015

Everybody knows grasshoppers are better drivers. Praying mantises aren't bad, but they only drive back and forth to church. Crickets have too much pent up road rage, as a general rule.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
79. what twisted fuck came up with this
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 10:41 PM
Dec 2015

who the hell would ever think "let's make a car that runs on crickets"?

Omaha Steve

(109,228 posts)
90. It has not hurt their stock price
Wed Dec 30, 2015, 08:56 AM
Dec 2015

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MAT

Mattel, Inc. (MAT) -NasdaqGS
27.68 Up 0.21(0.76%) Dec 29, 4:00PM EST

It doesn't even pop up in their stock news.

I do agree with PETA!

K&R!

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