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Koch Industries gave funding to the DLC and served on its Executive Council
http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html
"And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC’s executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC’s executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively–meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000."
Sorry, people who take money from the Koch Brothers don't get my support.
3 Choices.
Bernie
Republican
Koch Funded DLC 3rd Way Democrat
I know you will make the right choice.
Hear, hear.
P.S. Hillary did not take money from the Koch Brothers. She (and the big dog) was simply part of the Koch Brother funded DLC. I must make a clarification. They believed moving the Democratic Party to the center would be good politics. They may have been right, but I don't think so. We are paying for that movement every day now.....
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Yallow
(1,926 posts)Google is great!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=koch+funding+dlc
Eko
(9,993 posts)that closed in 2011, that took Koch money in 2001? When you have some actual evidence that Hillary Clinton is actually funded from the Koch's then I'll be interested. But this? This is embarrassing.
I posted Koch gave to DLC which shaped DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLICIES that got us into the mess we are in now.
We need to reject those policies, not pretend it didn't happen.
We need candidates that repudiate those policies.
One candidate is doing that.
The other one, not so much.....
Yallow
(1,926 posts)"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (16 December 1863 in Madrid, Spain – 26 September 1952 in Rome, Italy) was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist."
What is embarrassing about talking about what (organizations) made Democrats move to the Right?
Time we moved back. In the direction of the people.
Eko
(9,993 posts)You said this "Koch Funded DLC 3rd Way Democrat ". Take it out or prove it.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)They just helped fund the DLC, (which folded in 2011) and their buddies fund the Third Way. Republicans.
http://www.thenation.com/article/gop-donors-and-k-street-fuel-third-ways-advice-democratic-party/
The Koch brothers do not give Hillary money.
You are absolutely right.
My point is we need candidates that refute the DLC and Third Way policies.
One is doing it.
Sorry for getting a little loose with the description.
Clarified.
"Third Way, a centrist think tank that portrays itself as a Democratic group, has some advice for the party: avoid economic populism at all costs. In a column for The Wall Street Journal today, the group argues that the party should steer clear of creating a strong safety net, and criticizes Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio’s call for universal pre-K funded through an upper-income tax increase as a foolhardy idea for national Democrats."
I didn't make this up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/hillary-clinton-its-the-r_b_8891576.html
"Democrats like Clinton and Wasserman Schultz embody that "Third Way" thinking, the Democratic centrism that was a hallmark of Bill Clinton. But he wasn't elected by a majority, remember. Another independent billionaire, Ross Perot, sucked away some of the Republican support for incumbent George H.W. Bush, leading to Bill Clinton's election with just 43 percent of the popular vote."
So please take it out of your post. You could easily say corporate funded third way'er or something.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)https://web.archive.org/web/20071010073639/http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=137&subid=900111&contentid=253475
https://web.archive.org/web/20071010073657/http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=137&subid=900111&contentid=250759
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... or that the monopoly abuse that Clear Channel did that did things like shut down liberal talk radio stations aren't a problem any more since it changed its name to I Heart Radio...
... or that abuse like Blackwater was involved with can't exist any more since it changed its name too, and Erik Prince moved overseas to Dubai to avoid legal "problems"...
It's like trying to rationalize that the Third Way is now a great "progressive" organization because they created the "Progressive Policy Institute", or we have a "Progressive Coalition for American Jobs" pushing passage of the TPP as if that were a patriotic "progressive" thing to do too.
Avoiding history and following the PEOPLE involved with these organizations and the names they are throwing around, has us repeating the same mistakes that have been made before.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I heart radio has its problems and it would be easy to point them out. Same with everything else. Why is that a problem?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Your words and truths will not be heard by one that willfully plugs one's ears -- and mind.
Eko
(9,993 posts)to the idea that the DLC moved democratic policies to the right and that it was a bad thing.. I think the "Koch Funded DLC 3rd Way Democrat" is straight out demagoguery, and at worst a lie.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)Towels for my dispenser. I asked they (Costco) provide an option besides Koch Brothers / Georgia Pacific.
I did not ask for a boycott, just another option.
Very nice understanding man by the way.
And no, I drive a Volt. I don't use 50 gallons of gas in a year. Hydro electric, and a little wind.
Washington State, the cleanest power I know of.
I guess we are #2 after Idaho for cleanest power.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
msongs
(73,754 posts)Eko
(9,993 posts)"Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact. To accommodate our more imaginative members we tolerate some limited discussion of so-called "conspiracy theories" under the following circumstances: First, those discussions are not permitted in our heavily-trafficked Main forums."
There is no DLC for them to have a candidate, there is no Koch Funded DLC 3rd Way Democrat since there is no DLC and there is no proof of Koch funding for any democratic candidate. Title is wrong "We Need To Support DLC Candidate?" and not taking out the "Koch Funded DLC 3rd Way Democrat" while having a disclaimer at the bottom reminds me of faux news. Truth is truth.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)I guess typing easily proven points might make someone a kook and a crackpot.
Every thing I type I believe 100%. Prove me wrong, and I will change what I believe.
The problem is I have to be 100% correct 100% of the time.
I can back up every singe opinion with links.
Not from jerkwad.net but real links from real reliable sources (as much as possible).
Prove me wrong on anything.
I dare you, or anyone else.
I am not right or left, liberal or conservative.
I am correct. I callem as I seeum.
Bernie didn't get a $400,000 check from Goldman Sachs, or join the DLC, or spout 3rd way centrist policies.
Fact.
Easily provable facts.
There was a DLC and it steered our MY party to a place I don't want to be half the time. The people involved in selling out the Democratic Party to corporate interests for $$ need to atone for, and admit their mistakes. We all know who I am talking about.
"there is no proof of Koch funding for any democratic candidate" Are you serious? Can you google Koch funding DLC?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=koch+funding+dlc
If we begin talking about crackpots, it wouldn't be me as the subject......
Now go give Wall Street some handouts in my party's name..... Lets lose the next 10 elections. The people aren't that stupid.
Eko
(9,993 posts)How can she be a DLC candidate if there is no DLC? Since there is no DLC how can she be a Koch funded DLC candidate?
Yallow
(1,926 posts)If someone was part of the Klan, they are always a Klansman.
History is history, regardless of how unpleasant it may be.
When you help groups like the DLC enact policies that move our country to the right, and weaken unions, you will be tied to those groups. Even if you later refute what they pushed, there is a credibility problem. Who believes you now believe something different than what you worked so hard to enact.
Moving to the center has destroyed our party.
Take a look at congress.
Take a look at the Senate.
Time we take the country back by pushing policies most people agree with.
Like reigning in Wall Street, and locking up corporate criminals. The list goes on.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251956244
Click on this link and read about the DLC.
Then try to smack me around.
Good luck.
no one ever has left the klan. Its thinking like yours that,,,, I dont even want to go there. You want to argue that the DLC is bad, Im not arguing that. I am saying it no longer exists and to call someone their candidate is insane. You dont get it, and you dont want to. You want your headline. Groovy.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)From what I have heard, and I believe it, Bill had to go up against Pappy Bush. Bush had tons of cash, and Bill knew he couldn't get enough $$ to take him on from unions and the like.
He sold out for the $$ and the support from the corporate crowd. In return we all know what the corporations and banks got in return.
I don't blame Bill, or Hillary for being part of the DLC. It is the way money in elections has ruined our country, and they couldn't change that. Neither could Obama. Both Bill Clinton and President Obama did a pretty good job as presidents. Compared to Bush, and Reagan they were both gods. They still needed to take the Wall Street cash.
Bernie doesn't. He has us. Millions of us. Tens of millions of us soon, once he is nominated, taking on the billionaires, and Wall Street. It will be a good fight.
Now it is time for real change.
We need another Roosevelt, not another Clinton. No disrespect to the big dog intended.
Bernie is that change.
I don't think Hillary will bring the change we need, after taking all the $$ from the donor class, knowing she will need their $$ again for the reelection.
That is my opinion, and I am sticking with it.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Always.
That's why Bernie is different, and has millions of followers wanting a real change in the way this country is ran for the benefit of only the wealthy.
He is not being ignored any more.
They, including Trump are scared.
They know he is right and will do anything to stop him.
The money folks have some big advantages. They own most politicians, the media, and can make life real difficult for anyone who wants them to pay taxes like the rest of us have to pay.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)The same people will tell you Blackwater no longer exists. (called Xe or something these days, but still mercs for hire)
Yet they still do, with the same money, the same business model, and the same leadership, but they changed their name so the more willfully blind will claim they no longer exist or have influence, receive contracts etc.
No one but the not so bright, or willfully blind believe the argument of non-existence of an existent movement firmly entrenched, enriched and active simply because of a re-branding. best to ignore them, be they idiots or dishonestly blind.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I am not against that at all. An honest person would make that case that the DNC was the descendant of the DLC and was bad and that Hillary was their candidate and not the candidate of a org that doesn't even exist. Thats the key, doesn't even exist. I am not against the premise at all.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)The DNC is perhaps infected with many of the big money conservative idealists that can claim to be alumni of the DLC, but the DNC is a party apparatus known as the Democratic National Committee, you should learn your anagrams before publicly embarrassing yourself.
I thought the DNC stood for did not count. My fault. Thanks for pointing that out. Your name implies your intelligence.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I get it, you don't. Mine is for intellectual honesty, yours for a position. I don't disagree with your position, I do with your intellectual honesty.
blue neen
(12,465 posts)He is an Independent, so then he is always an Independent. A candidate has to be a registered Democrat or Republican in the PA Primary, so Bernie won't be on the ballot.
It's a shame, but History is History.
Great point!
Eko
(9,993 posts)"If the DLC were still around she would probably be their candidate" then your opinion on that would have quite a bit of weight, but to call someone something they cannot be because of facts is ridiculous.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)It's also obscenely expensive to run for president, but you knew that too.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Because he wants the folks that got deep pockets by avoiding taxes and responsibility to pay their fair share for once.
These deep pockets power brokers don't want to give up one iota of power to the broke Americans who need someone standing up for them.
They will do all they can to keep their paid for Republicans and Democrats in the government serving them.
If you get support from 99% of Americans you don't need to buy advertising.
How much did Romney spend, and where did it get him?
Romney had so much baggage Obama could have beat him with 10 good ads showing him closing factories, outsourcing the jobs, and causing thousands to lose their pensions. That is how Romney made his money. By robbing people of their pensions, and outsourcing their jobs.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)
[font size ="1"]President Bill Clinton with Al From, president of the Democratic Leadership Council, at a conference in 2000.[/font size]
New Democrats, in the politics of the United States, are an ideologically centrist faction within the Democratic Party that emerged after the victory of Republican George H. W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. They are identified with centrist social/cultural/pluralist positions and neoliberal fiscal values. They are represented by organizations such as the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the New Democrat Network, and the Senate and House New Democrat Coalitions
After the landslide electoral losses to Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, a group of prominent Democrats began to believe their party was in need of a radical shift in economic policy and ideas of governance. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was founded in 1985 by Al From and a group of like-minded politicians and strategists. They advocated a political "Third Way" as a method to achieve the electoral successes of Reaganism by adopting similar economic policies (Reagan Democrats and Moderate Republicans would provide burgeoning new constituencies after adding these new economic policies and politicians to our tent they contended) While hoping to retain, woman, minorities and other social issues allies with long ties to the party. Such would be their new Democratic coalition forged between fiscal right and social left under the "New" Democratic banner. The DLC disbanded in 2011 during an apparent re-branding of the New Democrat movement when money ties to the Koch bros. and Koch representatives placed on the DLC's board embarrassingly became common knowledge among the Democratic left. The DLC is survived by the Third Way, The New Democrat Coalition, and Al From's Progressive Policy Institute among other corporate funded groups that continue to sell their Economic-Right/Social-Left brand of "Centrism" to America.
The term Third Way refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.
Third Way was created as a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-right progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the state; economic interventionist policies that had previously been popularized by Keynesianism and contrasted with the corresponding rise of popularity for neo liberalism and the New Right. In a sense, 80s Moderate Republicans are almost identical to "Third Way" Democrats.
I strongly believe it's time for a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-left progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the neoliberal corporate policies previously popularized by Reagan and Thatcher! For thirty years we have all but abandoned liberal solutions to economic problems, chasing instead the snake oil of supply side economics, austerity and neoliberal trade policy. These right wing policies have failed miserably, and rather than learn from the New Democrats failed experiments, the center-right faction of the democratic party has chosen instead to double down on failure with more free trade and austerity measures (to include cuts to Social Security).
In the face of a new gilded age of extreme wealth contrasted by an exponentially growing rate of poverty, a rapidly shrinking middle class and the emergence of an elite class of bankers, politicians and other predatory behemoths that are held firmly above the law and enabled to steal the remaining crumbs of wealth held by the masses without repercussion, it is not only time to return to Democratic principles of old that created the strongest most prosperous middle class in our history, it is time to reverse the damage done by the right thinking "New" Democrats and their failed policies with a new populism based on the needs of the people over the elite.
We do not need a "Fourth Way" to accomplish this, all we need is a return to the fundamentals of Keynesianism, a strong commitment to labor, increased spending on social programs (rather than cuts), progressive taxation, and an end to the cancer of privatization that would reduce the commons and the basic needs of the populace (such as health care and drinking water etc.) into the cash cows of profiteers of human suffering
Time to dump the "Third Way" for the unquestionably effective "Democratic way" made successful by the New Deal, The Great Society, and civil liberties. Our party can not serve two masters, the choice is clear, they must serve the financial elite, or the economically struggling populace
My choice has already been made.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"She is also fond of the practice of leaving brown kids toys to play with via the fun high tech pinatas known as cluster bombs."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=553572
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Even after wars subside, after treaties are signed, after belligerents return home, cluster bombs wreak havoc on civilian life. Up to 20 percent of the bomblets fail to detonate on the first round, only to become landmines that later explode on playgrounds and farmlands. Children are drawn to cluster bomb canisters, the deadly duds that look like beer cans or toys before they explode.
I suppose you can tell me why she opposed the international communities efforts to address this, other than she has a fondness for cluster bombs that are known largely for exactly what they are known for?
Is it instead "to appear tough"
"to get financial support from the munitions industry"
"for no particular reason at all, just plain didn't bother to listen when the effects were explained in detail to her and the rest of the voting body"?
I do not think I overstated it one bit, anyone defending her fondness for such munitions to me are either just as fond of such carnage or simply just as cold when it comes to such gruesome matters that involve the effects of children playing with the "toys" left by them.
Eko
(9,993 posts)disgusting demagoguery from you. The worst thing I have heard from anyone calling themselves a liberal.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It is required of her.
Strange also how you have decided to derail a post of mine with an off topic embarrassment to Hillary's voting record, a vote you didn't even defend but simply labeled as "demagoguery".
You do not know how to discuss issues properly do you?
No matter, your posts are public and quite transparent.
Eko
(9,993 posts)Yet you proclaim that is her intent. You are no liberal but a opportunist. You know nothing of logic or honesty.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)She said she did not believe we should take cluster bombs out of our arsenal, tell me, what do you know? You appear to know almost nothing at all, yet decry those that have followed the careers of Democratic politicians for thirty year that do know what they are talking about.
Do you read off a provided sheet or something?
Eko
(9,993 posts)How is this a problem for you. She never said that and you state that is her position. You are not in any way a liberal nor a democrat when you do that. You are disgusting. You are a liar. You are the worst liberal I have ever met, tea party people have more integrity than you do.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I put nothing in her mouth - I did ask some rhetorical questions as to why she would do such a thing, read the posts you argue against and perhaps you will know what you are talking about.
I have to admit, as far as feeding trolls go, it can be fun to a point, but you are growing bloated and I must desist for now, lest I cause your internal digestion injury.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"She is also fond of the practice of leaving brown kids toys to play with via the fun high tech pinatas known as cluster bombs. Those are expensive little toys those things spread around for children to play with, it takes a special kinda person to do whatever they can to make sure there will not be less of them to play with.
Arabic speaking children require special love and Hillary by far has shown them so much of that special love"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=553572
You certainly did put words in her mouth, shame on you. You are a liar. Straight up liar and caught in it. You should be banned.
Eko
(9,993 posts)Can you show me where she said this? No you cant. Why? Because it is only a figment of your mind.
Eko
(9,993 posts)going to be able to show where she said that, ever. Nor where she thought that. It is a product of your imagination and that is all it is. Your delusions to fit your narrative. And a sad narrative it is. See someone for your condition. If you need to know its called Hillary derangement syndrome. Best to bring it up early. Faster treatment that way.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Eko
(9,993 posts)above Trump, although I am not sure on that.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)You keep proving you are talking about nothing being posted. It is quite amusing if inept.
Eko
(9,993 posts)because the Koch's never gave to the DNC as far as I know. You wanted to link Clinton the the Kochs however you could. That was your goal and since you couldnt with anything existing you had to go back in history and use something that doesnt exist anymore and then painted a picture for those who dont know what is going on that Clinton is in the Koch's pocket. Faux news tactics without a doubt. Disgusting.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)That was not the argument of the OP. You really do not bother to read before replying do you?
Eko
(9,993 posts)Or cant you see the lines.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I do not confuse a body of the Democratic party with Special interest think tanks funded by questionable sources, IOW I have never confused the DNC with the DLC, only you have done that so far (in fact, you are the first I recall knowing so little about politics to ever do so)
