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[lovuian]

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[NutmegYankee]

1. External fire away from columns versus a violent collision with an object weighing tons followed by

Fires with no water to control them.

Not a mystery to engineers. And spare me the ae911 crap. Fewer of them spout that CT nonsense than there are climate scientists who doubt global climate change.

[lovuian]

4. Building 7 had no collision with planes just a "fire"

Dubai knows how to build them structurally. I hope our architects keep up with the latest structural designs especially when we have terrorism attacks all over ....Future progress

[NutmegYankee]

5. It had massive sections of the the towers smash into it during their collapse. nt

[lovuian]

11. Official reason for WTC #7 collapse

The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first tall building known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires,[8] and the only steel skyscraper in the world to have collapsed due to fire

not from "debris" .....but by uncontrolled fires ....as evidence of the Dubai skyraper 67 stories tall and burning for 20 hours is still standing ...from uncontrolled fires...investigation ongoing of the cause

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

[NutmegYankee]

14. Did the fire get to the columns of the building in dubai?

Obviously not, owing in large part to intact fireproofing on the columns. The fire is believed to be caused by the buildings external paint system, which means almost no structural impact.

[lovuian]

18. Intact fireproofing on the columns ....fascinating

so now they are fireproofing the columns ......interesting

so do the newer buildings have that fireproofing columns in the building codes now?

the fire burnt uncontrollably for 20 hours and the smoke seen for miles...it looked like it was in flames

[NutmegYankee]

22. Fireproofing has advanced dramatically from the 1970s.

Codes have advanced a lot too. This is a newer building and has better designs for firestops, which limit the spread of a fire. The older fireproofing wasn't as effective once we limited asbestos use for a few decades, though modern alternatives are pretty damn good.

BUT - what really helped here was the fire was limited to the outside and did not torch the internal structure. Go look at pictures in the daylight.

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. 255,000 lb max takeoff weight - whatever fuel it burned + traveling at over 400 kts = kinetic energy

of epic proportions.

I can't even imagine what kind of damage it must have done to the center support columns.

[lovuian]

8. Building 7 didn't have a jet fly into it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

the official reason
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

On September 11, 2001, 7 WTC was damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed completely at 5:21:10 pm, according to FEMA

The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first tall building known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires,[8] and the only steel skyscraper in the world to have collapsed due to fire

It appears Dubai has a better architectural design is all I'm saying

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Oh. Well if THAT'S all you're saying... then by all means go on with yer bad self!

(nudge nudge wink wink) IF that's all you're saying.

[lovuian]

13. I'm fascinated at the Dubai design and how well it stood the fire

We need to applaud the engineers and architects for a job well done in Dubai ...because the building was on fire for 20 hours uncontrolled and withstood the intense heat

[madokie]

2. The only thing I've got to say is

do you really want to go there?

[vinny9698]

3. No Jet Fuel to accerlate the heat

Metal transfers heat, you can prove this by touching a metal ladle that has been immersed in boiling water. Or touch the handles on a boiling pot of water. Same heat as the bottom of the pan. Jet fuel heats up the top floors, the heat is then transferred down the metal girders weaken them and the rest is history.
There have been skyscrapers fire here in USA and none of those fell down.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html
Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

[lovuian]

7. Again building 7 had no jet hit it

The original 7 World Trade Center was 47 stories tall, clad in red exterior masonry, and occupied a trapezoidal footprint.

the Dubai structure is 67 stories
On September 11, 2001, 7 WTC was damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

[smirkymonkey]

17. The denial runs pretty thick here.

I was there. I watched it. There is no way WTC collapsed on it's own.

[NutmegYankee]

9. This has been understood by blacksmiths for centuries but not somehow today

The hottest blacksmith forge is still 1000°F below the melting temperature and yet the steel softens to a clay like consistency to be formed by hand and hammer.

[lovuian]

12. Fascinating so is the steel at the Dubai Skyscraper special?

it had a fire burning for 20 hours uncontrollably and yet it still stands

amazing structure whoever the architect ..did a fantastic job ...maybe special steel design

[NutmegYankee]

15. Do you have any evidence it was exposed to heat?

Nah, didn't think so.

[lovuian]

20. The evidence is the fire burnt for 20 hours and smoke seen

for miles away...the fire department couldn't put it out ....I think there is evidence that the steel structure experienced intense heat

[NutmegYankee]

23. That evidence is?

[Ghost Dog]

19. ... In which case, at most, one might expect the two towers to have bent over

at the critical upper levels, with the upper sections falling sideways. However, we saw apparent pulverization at those levels on downwards vertically at almost freefall speed, as if there were no resistance below, into their own basements.

Building 7 also 'fell' at very close to freefall speed, all of it at once, straight down.

Just like controlled demolition.

[NutmegYankee]

25. There is a science that explains this called statics.

If your algebra skills are good, please take a statics class at a local community college.

[Cal Carpenter]

16. It's so cute how any burning skyscraper becomes a reason

for threads like this to seep outta the dungeon.

[lovuian]

24. I'm pointing out how we can learn from this terrible tragedies

Dubai demonstrates the great engineering and architectural advances .....in 2016 so that another disaster doesn't have a complete structural collapse ....the building stood for 20 hours and still stands

that's all

[edhopper]

21. Please Mods

lock this 9/11 CT crap thread.

and yes, I am alerting.

[lovuian]

26. this is not about 911 this is about how a Dubai Skyscraper

did not collapse over 20 hours of uncontrollable burning

[edhopper]

27. Bullshit

your Youtube video tells us what it is.

I'll let the Mods make the call.

[lovuian]

28. I'm sorry to cause distress and will self delete

Sorry