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The difference between a militiaman and a terrorist

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Reply The difference between a militiaman and a terrorist (Original post)
SHRED Jan 2016 OP
peacebird Jan 2016 #1
SHRED Jan 2016 #2
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #3
James48 Jan 2016 #4
Gothmog Jan 2016 #5
Johnny2X2X Jan 2016 #6
99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #21
SunSeeker Jan 2016 #7
nvme Jan 2016 #8
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #16
mountain grammy Jan 2016 #9
Matrosov Jan 2016 #10
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libodem Jan 2016 #11
The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #12
Amimnoch Jan 2016 #13
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2016 #14
47of74 Jan 2016 #15
HoosierCowboy Jan 2016 #17
passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #18
libodem Jan 2016 #19
maggies farm Jan 2016 #20
cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #24
maggies farm Jan 2016 #25
Blue Owl Jan 2016 #22
pablo_marmol Jan 2016 #23
ffr Jan 2016 #26

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:23 AM

1. Perfect! (I stole this & tweeted it btw...)

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:24 AM

2. I stole it too

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:50 AM

3. Stealing.....

rec

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:13 PM

4. Press Release- facts

Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
District of Oregon
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Wednesday, October 7, 2015


Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison

EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.
By law, arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. When the Hammonds were originally sentenced, they argued that the five-year mandatory minimum terms were unconstitutional and the trial court agreed and imposed sentences well below what the law required based upon the jury’s verdicts. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, upheld the federal law, reasoning that “given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense.” The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.” In March 2015, the Supreme Court rejected the Hammonds’ petitions for certiorari. Today, Chief Judge Aiken imposed five year prison terms on each of the Hammonds, with credit for time they already served.

“We all know the devastating effects that are caused by wildfires. Fires intentionally and illegally set on public lands, even those in a remote area, threaten property and residents and endanger firefighters called to battle the blaze” stated Acting U.S. Attorney Billy Williams.

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison. These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”

Assistant U.S. Attorneys Frank R Papagni, Jr., AnneMarie Sgarlata and Kelly Zusman handled the prosecution of this case.


Source:
http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:13 PM

5. Great cartoon

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:25 PM

6. White Supremacists

This movement is rooted in White Supremacy.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:46 PM

21. Exactly. Pampering them is Institutional Racism at work, in our faces. n/t

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:26 PM

7. K & R

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 12:55 PM

8. Vanilla Isis strikes in Oregon

Occupying an abandoned building! Really? These jerks with guns rally behind idiots who try to cover their poaching. One interesting sign for sociopaths is fire starting and reckless disregard for the rights of others. Speedily we are being dragged toward an idiocracy.

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Response to nvme (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:05 PM

16. Vanilla ISIS?

 

I like that- very fitting.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:00 PM

9. K&R

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:12 PM

10. Don't forget the "thugs"

 

White person with guns = patriot, exercising his God-given right to protest against the government, needs to be respected
Non-Muslim PoC with guns = thug, probably thinking about looting and rioting, needs to be beaten and arrested
Muslim PoC with guns = terrorist, probably thinking about cutting off heads and imposing Sharia law, needs killin'

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:26 PM

11. .

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:30 PM

12. Words are subjective

Who knew?

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:36 PM

13. K&R. Disgusting but spot on.

 

Worse is the lengths certain elements of society seems to be willing to go to defend these Terrorists in Oregon.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:49 PM

14. Tamron Hall referred to them as 'citizen activists' at one point this morning.

Among a slew of other words designed to paint them as innocuous, including mentioning that they refer to themselves as Patriots. I hope she was reading from a teleprompter, but even so, I'm rather disappointed in her for that segment this morning.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:59 PM

15. Yeah pretty much.

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:08 PM

17. Wonder if they know this:Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:10 PM

18. Protesters or terrorists?

"We are mainly referring to them as 'protesters' or 'armed men who are occupying the refuge headquarters,' " said Kim Murphy, the assistant managing editor for foreign and national news at the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.oregonlive.com/editors/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_militia_or_militants_me.html#incart_big-photo

As far as I'm concerned, you don't need weapons to have a peaceful protest. If you think you need weapons to defend yourself, and say you are willing to die for your cause, and kill anyone who shoots at you for your illegal actions, then you are not a peaceful protester. You are a terrorist.

I think it's pretty simple.

This isn't the Arab spring, where the country is in revolt because of an oppressive dictatorship. This is a democracy, and we solve our problems by voting, and peaceful protest, not by waving guns around and threatening people...and yes, aiming rifles at federal agents is threatening people. Threatening to shoot at Federal agents for trying to remove you from a government compound you have illegally occupied, is terrorism.

Yes, I know they are trying to walk back the terrorist language, now that they have gone and gotten themselves in a jam where they know jail time is waiting for them. But it's too late. They are sending out video solicitations for more people to come to the refuge, to join them, or just observe, to prevent violence from happening.

video here:
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/in_video_militants_occupying_r.html#incart_big-photo

I think they are getting a little bit nervous!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:11 PM

19. Yep

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:28 PM

20. We supply weapons for freedom fighters and it's the cow's turn to fight for theirs!

 

Bundy better think the consequences. Free the cows from welfare ranchers on public land! We supply weapons for freedom fighters and it's the cow's turn to fight for theirs!

Cows Got Guns

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Response to maggies farm (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:08 AM

24. Should be she..

He says cows, they have udders - it is not a he, a cow is a she!

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:26 PM

25. It is 2016

 

Do not fear gender fluidity.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Mon Jan 4, 2016, 09:44 PM

22. The Pantone swatch book must never be used for evil

n/t

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:34 AM

23. Yup. I'm a terrorist. NT

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:46 PM

26. Boycott the beef they sell. Find out who buys it and shame them.

That would put an end to future armed takeovers of public lands.

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