BREAKING - AP: MORE Armed Men Arrive At Malheur Claiming To Defend Occupants

[99th_Monkey]

This was bound to happen .. WTF.. By simply ignoring this for so long, and NOT surrounding the place to cut off access to food & other supplies, it's like our so-called 'law enforcement' -- both local and Federal -- are fucking ASKING for this to happen.. I have no more words. This is a disgrace and an embarrassment to me, esp. because I live in Oregon.

More Armed Men Arrive At Malheur Claiming To Defend Occupants
by AP * Jan. 9, 2016

A convoy of more than a dozen pickup trucks carrying armed men arrived at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon on Saturday.



Some of the men carrying rifles told journalists they were there to help with security for the group that has occupied the headquarters of the refuge since Jan. 2.

OPB’s Dave Blanchard confirmed the men said they were members of the Pacific Patriot Network, a consortium of groups from Oregon, Washington and Idaho. They arrived at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge midmorning, carrying rifles and handguns and dressed in military attire and bulletproof vests.

Pacific Patriots Network founder and leader Brandon Curtiss says the group isn’t there to support the occupation at the refuge. “We’re here to establish a security buffer between the gentlemen here at the refuge, the community citizens, as well as law enforcement,” Curtiss said.

One of the original occupiers of the refuge, LaVoy Finicum, said the group appreciates the Pacific Patriot Network’s help, but “we want the long guns put away.”

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/more-armed-men-arrive-at-malheur-to-defend-occupants/?t=042805

[randys1]

1. Time for the National Guard, round em all up, felony indictments. Send a REAL strong

message.

[Rex]

12. No no no...states only call out the guard when a town cries out for justice

when one of their own is slaughtered in the streets. Might break a window or two and we cannot have that. Crazy white roided up morons with guns...sure no problem...proceed.

"They haven't shot or killed anyone yet."

[meow2u3]

43. The President can--and should--Federalize the National Guard

and send them to quash the insurrectionists on the Federal wildlife reserve. No Posse Commitatis (sp?) violation here.

The insurrectionists are taking over Federal land and it IS the President's business. Those assholes playing patriot have no right to act as if they're above the law and I don't give a shit about white privilege!

[randys1]

110. Whites rights flights privileged assholes

[abelenkpe]

2. This can't be good. Nt

[MisterP]

3. 1. they're calling them "law enforcement" instead of "ZOG deathtroopers" or whatever

1a. they might be trying to appeal to LEOs and gin up local anger at USFWS
2. the original newcomers don't want the new newcomers, but they're coming in anyway while armed
2a. but letting the newest wave in won't set off more brawls and will let even more come in until it IS a situation they can't ignore any more, and shows that the BLM is, as in NV, soft on all this bratting out because they don't want "confrontation"

[99th_Monkey]

6. Maybe the original armed idiots and the newcomers should "shoot it out"

if the newcomers are so "unwanted"

[csziggy]

4. Is this the link to the article?

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/more-armed-men-arrive-at-malheur-to-defend-occupants/

[99th_Monkey]

11. YES! Thank you, I added it now... blush. n/t

[hifiguy]

5. These goobers all belong in the Crowbar Hilton.

NOW.

[pinboy3niner]

7. "Gotta make the long guns invisible. You boys got any blue tarps?"

[House of Roberts]

10. Harbor Freight has camo tarps.

Blue isn't any cheaper.

[pinboy3niner]

16. LaVoy's partial to blue

[underpants]

47. Love Harbor Freight

[easttexaslefty]

36. Ha!

[Rex]

8. And the shitball starts rolling down the hill, good thing nobody stopped this from happening.

So what group is next? The skinheads or the KKK? Who wants to take bets?

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Well if you listen carefully to the good ol boys interviewed by AJ

BLM, I kid you not.

They are that delusional

[Rex]

25. What!?!

Wow. How did they even come up with that one!?

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Looking for the video that went though my FB stream

ah here

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/667943976680446/

[sadoldgirl]

46. Liars, liars, liars!

And yet they get support. How long will it take for
the Feds to step in? Waiting seems only to make it
worse.

Thanks for the video.

[pinboy3niner]

56. They also whined that they're treated worse than Black Lives Matter protesters

Oregon Militants Say They're Getting Worse Treatment Than Black Lives Matter Movement
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-militants-black-lives-matter_568aaad9e4b014efe0db065c

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. See, under their twisted logic, BLM should join them

You gotta see how this works... and buzzards would run FAST, or rather fly, in the other direction.

[dixiegrrrrl]

93. I think they were saying they wanted Bacon, lettuce and 'mater sandwiches......

That there cowboy talk is hard to understand sometimes.

[2pooped2pop]

80. do you mean BLM Bureau of Land Management?

or BLM black lives matter?

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. black lives matter

Sorry, that is easy to confuse.

[TransitJohn]

107. Every single time I see BLM here I think Bureau of Land Management

Not Black Lives Matter. Grew up in the West, and have been using that acronym for my whole life. Can't teach an old dog new tricks, I guess.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. I was not clear

and I should, because you are correct, BLM in the west has that much older meaning.

[House of Roberts]

9. Patience

Let's wait and see how many are still there on Monday. 'Weekend warriors' ain't just the National Guard (the Real militia).

[99th_Monkey]

15. I think we're seeing how well "let's just wait" is working .. NOT.

the more this ignored by law enforcement, the less chance we're going to have to defuse it,
nip it in the bud, before there's an inevitable showdown, probably with bloodshed...

The FBI are being totally irresponsible by NOT surrounding the place, no one goes in or out, no
supplies, no elect. etc. Now these vigilante idiots are "doing it for them"

[Quixote1818]

26. The Feds would lose the PR war if this ended in a massacre at this point

What we are seeing is the local ranchers wanting them out and eventually that will reach a fever pitch as it's hurting the local economy. Eventually, with the locals getting more and more upset the Feds will be in a much better position to bring in the National Guard or whatever. We just have to let things fester between all the good old boys a bit more. Not to mention, some kind of violent outbreak could occur on its own quickly escalating things. They should be allowed to get plenty of alcohol with the donation money coming in. Eventually someone is going to crack and they may start killing one another. At that point the American people will be saying by a very wide margin "It's time to stop this nonsense, the Feds have been more than fair, send in the National Guard and take these guys out". Most would probably surrender at that point with a few nuts like the Payne guy who has a death wish going out in a blaze of idiocy.

[RKP5637]

30. That is what the Feds are doing IMO, letting it play out until it's so absurd they can remove them

and the PR will not see the Feds as overbearing.

[99th_Monkey]

31. Well, we disagree. We simply don't know how this is going to play out, at all.

I understand that the majority of locals aren't happy with the Yeehawdists, but
I haven't heard of any serious "fever pitch" developing on that front. Can you link
that one? or is that just a guess?

Neither have I noticed any widespread public sympathy for the Yeehawdists, only
that white supremacist gunhumpers are quietly organizing to send more and more
'militias' to the scene.

This cannot work out well, not by ignoring it. IMHO of course.

[easttexaslefty]

37. Exactly my thoughts.

Let them keep on with there dumb asses.

[underthematrix]

59. I think there's something else going on here that we are not being told about. I always trust the

President and his team. The President and his team unlike the white terrorists terrorizing a small town does not go in for knee jerk reactions.

[99th_Monkey]

60. There is nothing "knee-jerk" about setting up a wide parimiter, so no supplies go in

and no more armed-to-the-teeth nut jobs descend upon the place.

I live in Oregon and am deeply embarrassed and offended that Oregon is becoming widely
known as "the state that welcomes and/or tolerates armed white supremacists taking over
Federal faciliteis at-will". I strongly identify with the Native Americans who have spoken out
against this desecration of their sacred land.

Would that Obama had shown the same restraint with Occupy Wall Street's UNARMED totally
peaceful encampments.

[underthematrix]

70. Did you know PBO played golf today? That usually means

something is not what it appears to be.

They want a confrontation but they're not gonna get that from PBO. That's the BIG PHUCK U that's pissing those racists off and I love it.

And if you're so offended and embarrassed by the white terrorists then maybe you will work extra hard to get white folks to stop voting for Republicans. People of color didn't create this clusterfuck. White folks did and they need to handle their business.

Did President Obama do anything to the white middle and upper income OWS protestors? Nah. The NYPD was handling that situation (badly) based on all evidence.

[99th_Monkey]

76. Three things

1) this has nothing to do with elections. It's about respect for the law, respect for the local Burns
community (who mostly want these idiots gone), and respect for Federal lands which Native Americans
regard as sacred. Even the Audubon Society has expressed their outrage and dismay about this being
allowed to drag on and on.

2) This is happening in my face, in my back yard metaphorically. and I have every right (and
I think a responsibility) to my own feelings about it, and to express them openly.

3) Regarding the OWS crackdown, contrary to your claim, that was a nation-wide FBI-coordinated
law enforcement action, not a one-off NYPD event; and it was a brutal and heartless action at that, aimed
at UN-armed peaceful (mostly young) people; I was there and I remember it well.

[underthematrix]

92. Most of the action was in New York and most of the drama was in New York

The FBI is not accused of harming anyone. They did not teargas anyone. Local law enforcement did that. Did anyone die?

#1 this has everything to do with elections because that's why these white terrorists took over federal lands. They want a gunfight with the Obama admin, the black guy's admin. Yes the terrorists have no respect for the law but this is not just a matter of taking over a federal bird sanctuary. This is armed sedition and this needs to be handled in a way that does not lead to civil war which is what the Republicans want. I know PBO has the situation under control. And just because YOU can't see what's going on doesn't mean there's nothing going on.

#2 no one is denying your right to post your feelings and outrage in a public forum. I assume you know how that works and what that means.

[99th_Monkey]

95. Thanks for your mostly reasonable reply.

It still does not explain the apparent absence of any law enforcement peacefully shutting off power,
fresh supplies going in, or armed caravans to enter at-will; but I see your point as far as it goes; and
appreciate the civility of your tone.

[underthematrix]

96. Are there children at the site? I read a couple of articles that said children

were present. Here's a link to some mention of women and children http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/oregon-militants-keeping-women-and-children-around-at-standoff-despite-threats-to-kill-or-be-killed/

These terrorists are trying to set up a WACO scenario. THey are using the women and children as a shield.

[99th_Monkey]

97. I did see one (maybe 2) indirect mentions of intentions to do that, but have seen no

actual evidence or direct reports about women or children STAYING in that Fed. bldg.
except for your raw story saying "women and children (are) visiting".

[AZCat]

98. There are some photos of women and children at the site.

See, for example, photos on this twitter feed: twitter

[99th_Monkey]

99. That looks more like a press conference, not women&kids hunkered-down IN the Federal Bldg.

with these armed lunatics ... but I don't need convincing, I got your point.

Anyway, I'm NOT even asking for the FBI to attack with guns a-blazing; I'm merely baffled
as to why law enforcement is allowing these idiots to freely come and go as they please;
and isn't setting up a wide perimeter to shut off the steady supply of food, weaponry,
gas for generators they'd need if they cut off the elect. to the bldg. .. oh and to stop them
from bringing in any more women and children to use as shields, assuming that's even
happening

[AZCat]

101. I agree - it is strange.

So is the lack of legal repercussions for last year's incident. This approach seems as risky in the long run as being overly heavy-handed.

[2pooped2pop]

84. I thought that about the Bundy ranch crap

and even though people were threatened and federal agents had weapons pointed at them, no one was ever arrested over it.

[Shandris]

13. There's more going on here than it appears.

If everything were on the up and up, there would be no reason to turn these people away. In fact, in a real standoff, they'd be ecstatic. Now I'm REALLY curious about what date they're going to leave.

Didn't think I'd get a free theatre ticket to start my New Year.

[enough]

17. I don't understand what you are suggesting.

What do you think is going on other than what it appears?

[99th_Monkey]

21. I think you're right about "more going on" than appears.

but I have no idea WTF it is .. unless it's this:

I can't stop thinking about this heavily redacted (and all-but universally ignored by the media)
2006 FBI report "White Supremacists Infiltrating Law Enforcement", that no one ever talks about,
even though AA's are routinely murdered in the streets by cops. Duh. Connect the dots.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/21/1384553/-2006-FBI-Report-on-White-Infiltration-of-Law-Enforcement-You-Will-Be-Assimilated
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

I can't help suspecting that this conspicuously deferential treatment by Federal law enforcement
is part & parcel of this phenomenon.

[onehandle]

14. Average representatives of gun culture doing what they do best. nt

[LittleBlue]

18. Defend them from what?

Those militia guys should be worrying about hunger and body odor.

The government isn't going to storm the building.

[easttexaslefty]

39. Let them shoot themselves in the foot.

Literally.
They arent winning any PR wars here.
They are looking like the yahoo's they are. Let them continue on.

[underpants]

49. ^^^THANK YOU^^^ Exactly. From what?

If you've read some of the articles by journalists who've stayed over (I think Reuters was one of them) these yahoos are flat out paranoid.

[Hoyt]

19. I hope this us one of those stings where they attract all these armed racist yahoos, identify them,

put them on a watch list. . . . . .

[99th_Monkey]

22. From your lips ...

to the Director of FBI's ear.

I'm a bit too cynical to believe that's what's 'really' going on, but let's hope.

[boomer55]

23. the Ghengis Khan in me says... "drone strike" ;)

but seriously why arent the feds arresting these fools?

[99th_Monkey]

27. The FBI is apparently too busy guarding a tiny airport 30 miles away

BURNS — The FBI has staged at the Burns Municipal Airport, blocking entrance to a U.S. Bureau of Land Management base there used to fight fires during the summer.

Men in FBI gear were posted Saturday in a sport utility vehicle along Airport Road about five miles east of the city, keeping cars and trucks from entering a BLM "SEAT Base" where another large vehicle sat equipped with FBI signage, numerous antennae, a satellite dish and other gear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1308963

[kairos12]

24. From bird to turd santuary.

[pinboy3niner]

28. You know what this means...

"We're gonna need more snacks."

[Skittles]

32. what is that other guy in the pic doing

he should do that in private I tell you

[RKP5637]

45. ...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

78. He's ordering snacks on his iPhone.

[underpants]

51. "It's only an island of crazy if you look at it from a rational mind"

[Bigmack]

29. More armed guys IN..? WTF?...

Why would they let that happen? Does the word "roadblock" not exist anymore?

Did the FBI or whoever cut electricity? How about jamming cell phones? How about cutting access to the fucking media?

I'm not talking assault here...just the kind of isolation that cops do when there is this kind of situation.

This time, there has to be prosecutions.

[RKP5637]

35. It sure makes one wonder WTF their strategy is ... n/t

[Blue_Tires]

33. I guess some other lazy deadbeat nutters were jealous

and wanted their share of the freebies and TV interviews...

[spanone]

38. did law enforcement provide a police escort for the criminals?

[underpants]

50. The PPN guys are doing this for PR if you ask me

This gets their name everywhere. Maybe they are going to cash in and have a TV beer party like the guy who bailed on this cluster earlier in the week.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Defend the occupants from what? Birdwatchers and jackrabbits?

[99th_Monkey]

41. They claimed, from "law enforcement and/or from meddlesome locals"

that's not an exact quote, but those were the peeps they said they were "protecting" the
Yeehawdists from.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Or, meddlesome civics teachers.

[KingCharlemagne]

105. LOL - And Union-supporting Civil War buffs! :) - nt

[bowens43]

44. time for a drone or two......

[sadoldgirl]

48. No, but total surrounding of the area in a peaceful

way by the authorities could be a deterrent from
more idiots to join the groups.

[99th_Monkey]

55. Yes. This isn't rocket science. The FBI is beginning to look downright complicit

by letting this drag on and on, with no Law Enforcement presence or perimeter of their own,
deliberately allowing armed "kill or be killed" lunatics take over a Federal facility. It's getting
surreal.

[cheapdate]

52. So armed militias are now setting up roadblock checkpoints on public roads

and our government is not stopping them. Jeezus. I don't understand this.

[cantbeserious]

53. The Goal Is A Shootout - Ruby Ridge And Waco Style - Reinforcements Have Arrived

eom

[840high]

65. Dear God - I hope not.

[Bohunk68]

104. Seems logical. Letting them all get concentrated in one space.

Have reinforcements back at the air base. Let the Yeehawdists get drunk and start shooting each other. Then, declare a public emergency in the interest of saving human life, cutoff the perimeter and surround them, tightening the noose, meanwhile letting them kill each other.

[dlwickham]

54. did they bring snacks this time

[grasswire]

57. Monkey, maybe we should go cover this for DU?

Could be fun.

[99th_Monkey]

61. I'll pm you about that grasswire. nt

[Initech]

58. So how does this shit end?

[JoePhilly]

62. Wolverines!!!!!!

[brewens]

63. What we need is ID on a lot of the new bunch. That will be sure to prove amusing. So how does one

afford to just take off in the middle of winter to go on a yeehawd? Are they well supplied and do they intend to feed the other clowns?

I'm guessing these are not independently wealthy people. How many are on disability and unemployment, feeding themselves with SNAP benefits?

[pinboy3niner]

68. Broke, unemployed and on disability: How the Oregon militants can afford to play ‘patriot’ games

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027514541

[BlueCollar]

66. send in Skittles and end this...n/t

[Skittles]

114. I think gun humping cowards are mentally ill

seriously, they do not live in the real world

[cali]

67. At the request of the leaders, these guys have left

[pinboy3niner]

72. And surrounded the courthouse in Burns

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7515363

[cali]

73. Whoa.

[99th_Monkey]

77. Thanks for the link and the update. n/t

[pinboy3niner]

81. yw. MORE here:

Oregon Militia Standoff Surrounded By Heavily Armed Pacific Patriot Network — Ammon Bundy ‘Blindsided’
January 9, 2016
Patrick Frye


The Oregon militia standoff continues to this day, with Ammon Bundy’s group continuing to occupy parts of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and the Harney County Courthouse. Without warning, heavily armed members of the Pacific Patriot Network surrounded the encampments with their convoys. The Pacific Patriot Network is an umbrella group for Oregon militias, and they say they have set themselves between the Bundy Randy group and the U.S. federal government’s agents in order to work out a peaceful resolution to the Oregon standoff.


In a related report by the Inquisitr, Bundy’s Oregon militia initially told reporters they had enough food and supplies to carry on the standoff for years, but they are now saying they are willing to accept donations in order to help them.

...

Now, the other Oregon militia groups are directly intervening in Ammon Bundy’s standoff. A convoy of heavily armed men surrounded the federal courthouse and also sent more men to the wildlife refuge. The Pacific Patriot Network said they were going to act as a “neutral party,” but they also brought many men armed with rifles.

...

“Ammon felt blindsided,” Macfarlane said. “This was not a welcome development. We are trying to de-escalate here – then boom, they all show up.”


...

http://www.inquisitr.com/2694777/oregon-militia-standoff-surrounded-by-heavily-armed-pacific-patriot-network-ammon-bundy-blindsided/

[Babel_17]

91. I think they resent the humiliation that Bundy is visiting down on all militias, by association

Just speculation on my part, but it's not hard to think of how this situation is set up to end badly.

[keithbvadu2]

69. The rough, tough individualistic militia terrorist wusses

need protection.

They don't need allies, reinforcements or fellow participants in the cause.

They need protection.

These new guys are the new alpha males on the block jumping in for the publicity now that they have seen there is no actual danger of fighting.

[missingfink]

71. These armed intruders shouldn't be allowed to leave without arrest

Eventually, they will get sick of the primitive conditions and want to leave. Their vehicles could be disabled by tanks running into them. The area should be surrounded and no one allowed in or out (without arrest). No visitors, no supplies &, hopefully, no gun play and definitely no surrender of federal land to appease these seditionists.

[Sunlei]

74. cold and wet night will thin out that under dressed group fast.

[jtuck004]

75. Maybe they should change their name to Y'all Bait. They are sure sucking in enough sympathizers

to make this a target-rich environment.

Do they have porta potties, or are they crapping where they are sleeping?

[2pooped2pop]

79. bullet proof vest?

wouldn't they just shoot them in the head? It would also keep em down if they became zombies. Head shot.

[NickB79]

85. Bulletproof only to handguns. Rifle rounds cut through them like butter. nt

[2pooped2pop]

89. oh did not know that

That may be why they said they wanted the long rifles of the newer yeehawdist gone.

[Quixote1818]

82. I suggest we send as much alcahol as possible to these idiots

Get them all drunk every night and eventually someone will rub someone the wrong way and they will kill each other off. It will probably eventually happen without the beer and vodka but the alcohol will end things quicker and get the economy in Burns going again.

[pinboy3niner]

87. They're already buying it with supporters' donations. Binge time in Burns!

[L. Coyote]

88. I was suggesting some very large skunks.

If they don't like them they can leave or herd them. You know they won't be shooting them

[L. Coyote]

86. Next Stop, They Surrounded Harney County Courthouse with Armed Men, all entrances and intersections

[center]I'm not kidding. That got them a meeting with the sheriff they had surrounded.

More here:

[Babel_17]

90. I wonder how long before other groups expect this level of deference

They're not really aiming their rifles at you, and they're not really taking over Federal buildings. They're just playful, and need to be indulged like those other guys.

And if you don't indulge them, some lawyer will help them sue you. "Hey, nobody was shot!" (yet)

OK, we dismiss all that. But whatever team has to deal with the next bunch will have to answer why there was no deference. And maybe violence could have been avoided if we let them set up their camps, walk their patrols, put up their flags, proclaim sovereignty.

What's the worst that could happen?

I sincerely think other wackos are hatching plans for setting up their own little psychodramas. Of being that military leader from The Postman. (Will Patton is a fine actor btw)

[L. Coyote]

102. It is a great improvement on being pepper sprayed in the face.

The next time a million college students protest nation wide, I expect deference!

[jimlup]

94. I don't fucking understand why these fools have not been isolated

this makes me furious

[Turbineguy]

100. Must have taken

all this time to make sure they wouldn't lose their government bennies. Damn red tape!

[rusty quoin]

103. I forget where I read it, but these guys spend 1/2 their paychecks on ammo and guns.

Now to me, that is a cult of the gun. They complain while taking money from their own families.

And weren't many of them bragging about putting their wives and children in the front lines?

Being a regular guy, I would not place my family anywhere around the cult of the gun, but that's me.

[TransitJohn]

106. So many grown men pretending and playing dress up

They're worse than the lawyers who ride harleys on the weekends in their pirate suits.

[rockfordfile]

108. These right wing terrorist should be arrested

Curious about the names of these people.

[pinboy3niner]

109. Now they want to take down a fence so a local rancher can graze his cattle on federal land

On Saturday, it appeared his group's mission had expanded. Finicum said the refuge occupiers are now taking up the cause of other area ranchers who have complaints against the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. He wouldn't name the ranchers, but said the militants plan to dismantle a fence that keeps one rancher's cattle off some federal land.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/arrival_of_rifle-toting_patrio.html

[blackspade]

112. This goes beyond White privilege.

Why the fuck are they not in jail!?

I'm enraged at the difference in reaction BY LE to AA rights advocates and Occupy compared to these assholes.

[kentuck]

113. It's just a matter of time until ISIS joins them...

the enemy of my enemy crap.

Let them all gather together - then arrest the lot of them.