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[Duckhunter935]

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[cheapdate]

1. Voted "other".

If their only "crime" was being here, then no.

[Duckhunter935]

2. unfortunately their crime is

Illegally entering the country, failure to follow the courts order to leave the country. So, a few crimes.

[cheapdate]

8. A law that makes simply being here a crime is an unjust law.

[yeoman6987]

47. Every country has that law

Try sneaking into any country. What would happen? Nothing good.

[cheapdate]

49. Why do you say "nothing good" can come from freedom of travel?

If a family from Mexico finds a better life, isn't that something good?

[yeoman6987]

58. Take your family and sneak into Mexico. What welcome will you get?

[cheapdate]

60. That has no bearing whatsoever

on the question of whether or not, or under what circumstances, it's just or right to take away a person's right to travel freely.

Why is right to enable the free flow of capital but not people across borders?

[Duckhunter935]

59. Mexico's deportations of Central American migrants are rising

Mexico is on track to catch and deport thousands more Central American migrants than the United States this year, according to a new report.

By the end of this year, Mexico is expected to have deported 70% more Central American migrants than it did in 2014, according to the report by the Migration Policy Institute, a think tank based in Washington.

In comparison, U.S. apprehensions of immigrants in the country illegally are expected to be down by half this year, compared with 2014.

Mexico has apprehended 173,000 Central American migrants in 2015, according to Mexico's National Migration Institute, the report says, compared with 110,000 in the United States, according to U.S. Customs and Border Patrol.

The report also says Mexico deported about six times as many unaccompanied children as the United States last year, and that number is expected to double to 12 times more in 2015.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-migrants-20150905-story.html

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9. Breathing without a license. (nt)

[egduj]

3. Naw, let 'em stay. They're not hurting anyone.

[Duckhunter935]

4. so we should allow everyone in

No.laws?

[egduj]

6. I thought we were talking about the ones already here.

[Duckhunter935]

7. we are

Why not let everyone else in the country in the future as the ones here now do not have to follow laws or court decisions.

[Cassiopeia]

5. Spend a few days in jail

listening to their stories.

Your opinion would probably be a little different than you assume it might be.

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10. .

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11. ..

If only for a few minutes, Maria felt like an ''illegal alien'' in her homeland - the United States of America.

She thought she was going on break from her job at the Swift & Co. meat processing plant here on Tuesday, but instead she and others were forced to stand in a line by U.S. immigration agents. Non-Latinos and people with lighter skin were plucked out of line and given blue bracelets.

The rest, mostly Latinos with brown skin, waited until they were ''cleared'' or arrested by ''la migra,'' the popular name in Spanish for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), employees said.

''I was in the line because of the color of my skin,'' she said, her voice shaking. ''They're discriminating against me. I'm from the United States, and I didn't even get a blue bracelet.''

Maria was one of hundreds of plant employees targeted by federal agents. But she and her husband were the lucky ones - later Tuesday, they returned home to their three sons.

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http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/news/ci_4829962

[Duckhunter935]

13. you do know we are talking about people

That have had their day in court and have lost and have been ordered to leave. They then broke the law again. I see you for not care about laws.

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24. Let your candidate come here to Iowa and tell that to our faces.

you do know we are talking about people

That have had their day in court and have lost and have been ordered to leave. They then broke the law again. I see you for not care about laws.

Who is your candidate, anyway?

Trump?

[Duckhunter935]

28. I am all for asylym

I also think that after the legal process has been completed, the people must follow the law. It is President Obama who is doing this.

Nope, Trump is an idiot

[Duckhunter935]

17. is that a story

On the latest round up?

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12. ...

Breastfeeding baby's mom among those detained

Marshalltown, Ia. — A priest's and nun’s mission to find the mother of a nursing baby was thwarted today after they said officials from Camp Dodge would not let them inside to tell their story.

Sister Christine Feagan, from the St. Mary’s Hispanic Ministry, and The Rev. Jim Miller, who is a priest from the St. Mary’s Parish, both said they drove to Camp Dodge this afternoon to find out the status of a nursing mother who was deported and nursing a baby. They were also seeking a father with an ashmatic child.

They didn’t come with papers showing legal status. Instead, they wanted “to show them the need to be free,” said Miller.

Miller said he knows detainees were located there, because they were permitted a phone call from Camp Dodge and some had called the church seeking help.

He said an ICE officer at the facility “wouldn’t tell us anything about anybody.”

The duo returned to Marshalltown this afternoon to deal with the scores of families trying arrange care for children whose parents have been detained.

At the church’s Hispanic ministry, the baby whose mother was arrested was passed among staff and a community activist who had agreed to help care for her.

They said they don’t know when the girl, whose father is absent, will be reunited with her mother.

The child, whose name was not provided by ministry staff, cried little, and stared at the different faces visiting the ministry. Women speaking a mixture of Spanish and English coordinated plans with how they would take care of children left behind.

Carmen Montealegre is one of the women who is taking care of two of her friends’ children with family displaced by the arrests. One of the children, a seven-year-old, asks frequently why her mother was detained, she said.

“She asked me three times, ‘Did she kill someone?’ I said, ‘She was working under another name.’”

The baby left behind has her own problems.

She has been difficult to feed since her mother was arrested, Feagan said.

“The mother was breastfeeding the baby,” Feagan said. “The baby doesn’t want to eat. Another tried to breastfeed, but she knew it wasn’t her.”

Feagan said she and advocates for local Hispanic families have tried to pinpoint exactly how many children are in family-limbo to try to organize help.

A total of 408 students were absent in the Marshalltown community school district as of Wednesday morning, district officials reported.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061213/NEWS/61213038

[Duckhunter935]

14. bad link

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16. works for me

[Duckhunter935]

18. could be I am on phone

[Duckhunter935]

26. 10 year old story

Before President Obama even was sworn in, not about the current raids

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15. ....

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KEY ISSUES: 'What a sad day it is,' woman's husband says



Marshalltown, Ia. - Marcelo Merida wants to know where his wife is.

He last saw her when immigration agents found her hiding among some boxes at the Swift & Co. plant, where they both work. She and dozens of other workers were loaded onto buses and taken to an unknown location.

Merida has no answers for their two teenage children.

"What a sad day it is. They split up many families," he said. "There are many children who came home and didn't have any parents. How will they get along?"

The raid could also further divide a city learning to embrace diversity. About 75 percent of Swift's 2,200 employees are members of minority groups, mostly Hispanic. Residents have been known to rally around immigrant families in need and support those facing deportation.

"I've been so proud of our spirit of tolerance and acceptance here," said Mary Carter, who works at a bakery in town. "We are - or at least we were - becoming so much more united. I just hope it hasn't all been ruined now."

Maria Lira, a former Swift worker who became a citizen in 2005, said friends disappeared Tuesday.

"The community is destroyed. Kids are all scared that their parents will be taken away from them," she said.

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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061213/BUSINESS/612130392/1001

[Duckhunter935]

25. that is from 2006

Before President Obama even was sworn in, not about the current raids

[stone space]

40. 2006 was the year that Christmas didn't come here to Iowa

that is from 2006

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62. WHF is that supposed to mean?

I am sure it did

for most families

Are you always this callous?

[flamingdem]

20. Why were they sent back exactly? It seems to be a case by case basis

so does this mean the ones sent back were in better shape back home?

Can't find this info anywhere.

[Duckhunter935]

22. This is what I read before and I will look for more current info

The ICE operation would target only adults and children who have already been ordered removed from the United States by an immigration judge, according to officials familiar with the undertaking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because planning is ongoing and the operation has not been given final approval by DHS. The adults and children would be detained wherever they can be found and immediately deported. The number targeted is expected to be in the hundreds and possibly greater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-plans-raids-to-deport-families-who-surged-across-border/2015/12/23/034fc954-a9bd-11e5-8058-480b572b4aae_story.html

The early morning raid came at the beginning of a sweep over the weekend by the US Department of Homeland Security in which at least 121 people were taken into custody to be deported home. Those apprehended – in Georgia, North Carolina and Texas – were mostly women and children and mostly Central American immigrants fleeing violence whose asylum claims had been refused.

Homeland Security said the raids targeted only immigrants who had been ordered to return home.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/06/ice-raids-immigrant-families-deportation-fear

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21. .....

Dropouts concern Marshalltown school officials

Marshalltown School district leaders are trying to track down potential school drop outs after 90 alleged illegal immigrants were arrested at a meat packing plant Tuesday.

Marshalltown Associate Superintendent Patrick Kremer said school staff have been trying to find out the status of students who haven’t showed up to school after the arrests. He said he is concerned some students will drop out after what happened.

“There’s a lot of concerns about this,” Kremer said. "We know there is a possibility some students who left yesterday who may never be back. We’re invested in these children.”

High school students interviewed this morning said they knew of many Hispanic students who were leaving with their families to go back to Mexico.

The district has relied on Hispanic students as the base for their increases in enrollment. Hispanic students have increased by 100 to 150 a year, while Caucasian students have seen similar declines. The district has a total of about 5,000 students.

By the end of the day Tuesday, signs began to show of a dwindling student population. By the end of the day, 25 percent of the 1572 students who attend the high school were reported absent, district officials said.

“It’s quite possible this action could have a long-term effect on enrollment,” Kremer said. “Our Hispanic population is important not only to the life of the schools, but the life of the community.”

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061213/NEWS/61213026

[Duckhunter935]

23. That is from 2006

not about the current raids

[JI7]

27. we need more info , which immigrants, why did they leave etc ?

[Duckhunter935]

30. here are a couple of stories

the ones that are being deported now have had their court hearings and have been denied the claim of asylum and ordered to leave the country by a judge. They have failed to follow that judgement and are being deported.

The ICE operation would target only adults and children who have already been ordered removed from the United States by an immigration judge, according to officials familiar with the undertaking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because planning is ongoing and the operation has not been given final approval by DHS. The adults and children would be detained wherever they can be found and immediately deported. The number targeted is expected to be in the hundreds and possibly greater.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-plans-raids-to-deport-families-who-surged-across-border/2015/12/23/034fc954-a9bd-11e5-8058-480b572b4aae_story.html

The early morning raid came at the beginning of a sweep over the weekend by the US Department of Homeland Security in which at least 121 people were taken into custody to be deported home. Those apprehended – in Georgia, North Carolina and Texas – were mostly women and children and mostly Central American immigrants fleeing violence whose asylum claims had been refused.

Homeland Security said the raids targeted only immigrants who had been ordered to return home.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/06/ice-raids-immigrant-families-deportation-fear

[yuiyoshida]

29. I guess I am lucky...

If my Grandparent had not come to HAWAII to marry a native Hawaiian and gave birth to my Mom, I might not be living here, in the USA but Miyazaki japan. Maybe that would have been better, maybe not. As for my fathers side...Hawaiian and Japanese as well. How lucky can one be?
Now I can appreciate CALIFORNIA ROCK N ROLL!!!

[bigwillq]

31. Yes (nt)

[branford]

32. Borders fundamentally define a country.

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Controlling a border is an essential function of a government.

I support the various international and domestic asylum and related laws, as well as our legal immigration system. There's nothing unjust about maintaining such a border and immigration and asylum system.

I also acknowledge that we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here and still maintain our standard of living and liberal culture. I further believe we have an obligation to protect and support the citizens of our own country before all others with our limited taxpayer resources.

I expect anyone seeking residence to follow our democratically-passed laws. Due process of law and equal protection should be afforded to anyone who seeks to remain in the country or is challenging their removal.

If after having your day in court and exhausting all appeals, the law mandates your removal, you should be deported. We are a nation of laws, and they should be respected. If entire classes of laws are ignored, other important laws you value will also be abrogated. Never forget your political opponents will likely be in-charge again at some point. Don't set precedents you will live to regret.

[840high]

61. ...^ that

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33. ......

Uncertainty remains after immigration raid in Marshalltown

DES MOINES (AP) — The Dec. 12 raid at the Swift & Co plant in Marshalltown has left immigrants in the central Iowa town with a lingering sense of uncertainty and fear, said an official with a statewide Hispanic group.

The raid by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents resulted in 97 people being detained. The impact continues to be felt six weeks later, said Erica Palmer, a community organizer with Latinos in Action, a chapter of Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement.

“From what we're hearing, a lot of people are out of work and a lot of people are moving out of town,” Palmer said.

The raids, she said, also have made some Hispanics afraid to go out in public.

“That fear is very real,” she said. “That fear of taking your children to school, or going to the grocery store, that's a very real thing in the community.”

Meanwhile, non-Hispanics “are angry about how the raids were carried out and how the people were treated,” she said.

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http://globegazette.com/business/uncertainty-remains-after-immigration-raid-in-marshalltown/article_eef5feae-60ea-5f71-95c7-c53538972cde.html

[Duckhunter935]

34. another ten year old story from 2007

so can you find one that actually dates to President Obama's administration? He is the one that is in charge now.

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35. Iowa's 9/11 Moment

Raid was 9/11 moment, say Marshalltown's Mexican teens

Marsalltown, Ia. --- The mood was somber and agitated among Mexican students who streamed into Marshalltown High School this morning.

They remembered Tuesday as clusters of students cried in the halls and in class, hearing that family and friends had been arrested.

They more acutely noticed police cars roaming school grounds today. And some wondered aloud if authorities could show up and arrest them.

Watching busloads of family and friends being arrested will be a watershed moment in their lives.

“When 9/11 came along, everyone remembered it,” said Isis Diaz, 14, and a freshman. “I think everyone will remember this.”

School started at 8:30 a.m. for most Marshalltown High School students, many who made it to school shortly before that time, lugging backpacks, talking quietly with friends, and some simply keeping their hands stuffed in pockets and heads down.

Diaz said many students left school early yesterday to gather documentation for parents who were detained.

Diaz said many people she knows have already left the state, on their way back to Mexico.

“A whole bunch of kids didn’t come to school today,” she said.

Aaron Murillo, 15, said he knows more than 20 people affected by the arrests Tuesday. His uncle was hiding from federal authorities at Swift yesterday, and wasn’t caught, he said.

Rafael Ramirez, 17, said he was most worried about young children, with both parents arrested.

He said he hoped they could stay in the United States, where the quality of education was better, and going to school is required.

“I don’t know what they are going to do in Mexico,” he said. “They don’t have the same chances.”

Paranoia swept through families as well, Diaz said.

“My mom wouldn’t let us go outside, because she thinks something is going to happen to us,” she said, shortly before leaving the school parking lot and walking into the school.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061213/NEWS/61213014

[Duckhunter935]

36. wow, another ten year old story

three years before President Obama took office. His administration is in charge now FYI.

Google must work well for you, lets see if you can find something current as that is what I meant the poll to be about.

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41. Google??? WTF are you talking about?

Google must work well for you

[Duckhunter935]

48. finding ten year old stories that have no

relevance to today's news on the deportations of people who have exhausted their legal options and are being deported after failing to follow the legal judgement to leave the country.

so how are you looking up those ten year old stories?

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51. These are not stories. These are our lives.

We don't need google for that.

[Duckhunter935]

52. OK, whatever

I see you do not care about laws. You should feel the same way about RKBA and those laws.

[branford]

37. An article from 2006?

I also find it offensive to compare the planned murder of over 3,000 innocent people with airliners on 9-11 to the arrest of people in our country illegally and potentially deported to safe country whom we consider a friend and ally.

[Duckhunter935]

38. ten year old stories is all he posted

I also agree with you on the 9-11 reference, sickening in my opinion.

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42. Ethnic cleansing is indeed sickening. We're pretty damn sick of it here in Iowa. (nt)

[branford]

44. Ethnic cleansing???

It's such ridiculous hyperbole like this that convinces people to vote for Republican.

I'm a lifelong Democrat and liberal, but there are times when I read DU and believe I'm on another planet.

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46. abUSed

[branford]

55. Most of my family was killed in the Holocaust.

I know about ethnic cleansing, as do other groups who've truly suffered such pervasive and unspeakable evil.

Economic migrants in our country forced to return to Mexico, a majority Hispanic, democratic ally, have not suffered ethnic cleansing by any definition of the term. No matter your opinion about our borders or immigration laws, your attempted diminishment of the term and its implications is patently offensive and nearly unforgivable.

Again, it's attitudes like yours that so unquestionably lack any reasonable perspective that fuel the rise of people like Trump and Cruz and alienate you from a great many of your Democratic peers.

[Duckhunter935]

56. he is mad at us now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027515787

had to post a childish poll in response to this one

[Duckhunter935]

50. I think your abuse of that term

is sickening and an outrage to those murdered people that have been ethnically cleansed.

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53. I don't care what ammosexuals think.

vimeo.com/8914995

[Duckhunter935]

54. ah yes, the name calling

that did not take long. So should we let everyone in this country with no rules or laws?

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39. Iowans sometimes find things offensive, too. And sometimes we show it.

[branford]

43. So, arresting illegal economic migrants

really is no different to you than the actual gory murder of 3,000 people, both American citizens and others, on 9-11.

These are the moments when I truly understand why narcissistic, bigoted morons like Donald Trump have become so popular. When people on our side of the political divide demonstrate such an abject lack of perspective about important issues and respect for our laws, it does nothing but fuel the likes of Trump and Cruz.

[Agnosticsherbet]

57. I think people who hire undocumented workers and pay them under the table so they do not have to pay

living wages have their property confiscated and go to jail.

[LanternWaste]

63. Seems that questions like this one are the result of placing a higher priority on the imaginary

Seems that questions like this one are the result of placing a higher priority on the imaginary red and blue lines than we do on the actual people. Magic thinking in a secular form is still magic thinking.