Why haven't they cut off water and electricity to the Oregon militants?

[pnwmom]

And blockaded the exits that can be traveled by vehicle?

If these people have to sit in the cold and the dark from 5 o'clock on, with no fresh water and toilets that stop working -- with cell phones that can't be recharged -- I doubt that they'll want to stay long.

ON EDIT: According to this Jan 5 article, it was supposed to have been done by now.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/oregon-wildlife-militia-standoff-power-cut-off

A federal government official told the Guardian that authorities were planning on Monday to cut the power at the refuge.

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Any such move would mark a significant escalation in the crisis. The local sheriff, FBI and other law enforcement officials have so far held back from confronting the militia, who are heavily armed and have lookouts on a watchtower.

The militia have said they do not want a violent confrontation but made clear they are armed and prepared for the arrival of law enforcement officials. However, it appears that federal authorities were planning to use the power cut, and an attempt to starve the militia of supplies, in order to force them out.

“After they shut off the power, they’ll kill the phone service,” the government official added. “Then they’ll block all the roads so that all those guys have a long, lonely winter to think about what they’ve done.”

[guillaumeb]

1. That would not be fair.

Cutting off exits could make it harder for the "brave patriots" to receive media coverage.

[Sherman A1]

2. Agreed

And how would they get snacks?

[leftofcool]

4. Or ammo

[KingCharlemagne]

14. Or reinforcements - nt

[progressoid]

12. And we only cut off water to poor Black people in Detroit.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. I agree

But some goodie goodie will be along any minute to tell you that would be inhumane.

[truebluegreen]

26. I'd love to see a link to any such "goodie goodie" on this site.

[cwydro]

44. Same here.

People differ on HOW to get the idiots out, but I've seen no one wanting to be nice to them.

[JustAnotherGen]

47. Hmmm - cool concept n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

46. We both have a better chance of meeting god sometime

In the next five minutes than me stepping & fetching for you. Besides - I'll get a hide for referring to someone as a goodie goodie gum drop or Pollyanna.

[truebluegreen]

48. So you opt instead for a general smear? Alrighty then.

[JustAnotherGen]

49. If you say so

[DisgustipatedinCA]

5. Flint has no water, but the Inbred Rangers seem to have a limitless supply of everything they need.

It's probably a very good thing I'm not in charge. Not only would I kill the power and the water and shoot the generator as many times as it took to kill it. I'd also knock a big hole in the roof (they get the bill), and I'd drop water into the building. No violence would be necessary, and I'd require them to actually beg to be arrested.

[TexasProgresive]

23. I had a thought about a fire fighting plane loaded with

pepper spray instead of water. But then there would be a massive cleanup.

[thereismore]

6. Maybe they don't want them to start fires inside to keep warm. nt

[pnwmom]

7. The article says they've been building fires to keep warm, so it's probably

not electric heat because the electricity was still working.

I wonder if the building is normally unheated.

[Human101948]

8. Certainly if they don't want government, why provide the benefits that come from government?

Roads, clean water, electricity, telephone, TV, radio, et cetera.

[cui bono]

10. Yep. They should take the buildings away from them too.

Somehow.

.

[Human101948]

11. Thanks! I'll put that on the check list...

Maybe their citizenship as well and then we can deport them to Syria.

[KingCharlemagne]

17. Somalia is more their speed. Syria (or parts of it) is still a functioning

state.

[cui bono]

31. What about locking them up in a Trump Tower?

[Wellstone ruled]

9. We have Politics and Optics working here.

People in D.C. at Democratic H.Q. probably wringing their hands not to screw up in fear of losing the White House,and the Rethugs are playing the long game and they control most of the levers of power. These so called Patriots know full well what they are doing and the GOP will cover their collective asses. When Harry Reid mentioned there would be consequences for Bunkerville a few weeks ago in a local interview,that was a tip off for this to happen. There was a action plan in place by these so called Patriots it was a matter of timing. This is not a instant happening.

[L. Coyote]

15. #ArmedTrolls is not a code red situation. Obama not in a bunker fighting #AsshatsWithoutCows

[Wellstone ruled]

39. Had the

Powers that be here in Nevada taken care of business at Bunkerville,Burns would have never been a thought. And again it was all about local elections and supported who. BTW,our Senator did not step up to the plate.

[progressoid]

13. NPR quoted an official as saying "we don't comment on ongoing investigations"

when asked why they still have power etc.

[Thor_MN]

16. Extremely unlikely that the water is "city water"

It is probably a local well and therefore can't be remotely shut off.

Cut the electricity and you now have a building with no heat at all, so pipes will be damaged by freezing. Cutting the electricity makes you responsible for all damage caused by freezing, instead of the dumbasses occupying it.

If you are in favor of damaging the building, there are easy ways to do it.

[pnwmom]

20. The article said they were building fires for warmth, so it doesn't sound

like it uses electric heat.

If it is a local well, can't their connection be shut off locally?

[Wellstone ruled]

37. If this is a old CCC Camp.

In the main Lodge should be a working wood burning fireplace. Most if not all of the CCC Camps have independent water sources. Believe they have Propane as a heat source. Lot of things these people are doing is for the Media and Optics to pacify their wannabe supporters.

[Thor_MN]

38. The building likely uses electricity to run a furnace to keep the temp at 40 degrees or more

when unoccupied. Not warm enough for comfort, but warm enough not to freeze pipes.

[TexasProgresive]

24. No electricity no water from the well.

I doubt there is a hand or wind powered pump.

[truebluegreen]

28. According to them,

generators are one of the things they remembered to pack. Sufficient fuel for them may be another story.

[TexasProgresive]

33. That's supposing they have the expertise to hard wire a generator

to a pump without electrocuting themselves. It does require certain tools, you can't do the work with a gun.

[Thor_MN]

40. I don't give them credit for too much brains, but only an idiot would not be able

take the plug from a wall and plug it into a generator. Only slightly more knowledge needed to wire a plug if the pump is hard wired.

If they forgot snacks, they might not have a screwdriver, pretty much all one would need, if that.

[TexasProgresive]

43. Most pumps are 220 VAC and are hard wired. No plug

[Thor_MN]

45. In a building the size of a house?

[left-of-center2012]

18. Heard on the news ...

Some "patriots" drive into town to eat at restaurants and drink at bars?

[patricia92243]

22. Sounds like they are already bored and will soon just meander on home.

[Nevernose]

36. Some are staying in hotels!

Patriots by day, parties by night. It was on rawstory recently, and gawker.

[KingCharlemagne]

19. I heard or read somewhere that cutting off electricity to the compound would entail

also cutting it off to a couple homesteads-ranches that are not involved. I don't know enough about how electricity delivery works to be able to say whether that explanation is plausible.

[Glassunion]

21. That's plausable

[kestrel91316]

32. No excuse. Give those ranches generators and all the fuel they need for the duration.

Then cut power to the facility.

[KingCharlemagne]

53. Makes sense to me. - nt

[hifiguy]

25. A damned good and pertinent question, that. nt

[louis-t]

27. Ask the media to leave.

No reporters, no reason for the idiots to stay.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. You surely heard f the pesky 1st amendment

[mwrguy]

29. If they were Muslim or brown they'd all be dead by now.

[Paper Roses]

30. I said it before, repeating for those who missed it:

Give them these. They will vacate quicker than you can say 'toilet paper'.

http://www.ryot.org/these-haribo-sugarless-gummy-bears-will-make-you-st-your-pants-literally/438505


read the reviews, funny!

[democrank]

34. Why?

They`re white.

[JonathanRackham]

35. You expecting them to take baths?

[KittyWampus]

41. the only benefits I can imagine- they can potentially listen to or monitor them

if the computers are there and electricity working.

It may help keep the structures intact and not get destroyed in winter.

[CanonRay]

42. Because idiots are in charge?

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. Supposedly they have

Alas rural area. So there are many reasons why they still have power I am betting the facility has a ground water source and independent power...aka generators. Plus they did pack those

So good luck cutting it off better question. It's been long enough for the ERT to seal all access and prevent them from going to town to dine and stay at hotels. Why don't we have an effective perimeter already?

[pnwmom]

52. I agree. Why are they letting them come and go?