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yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Mcconnell, McCain, Ryan and others hate him
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016

Please don't say that the Democratic Party likes him. I would hope not at least.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
8. Good point, he's to far down for even 3rd way. Either way there are enough people
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jan 2016

gunning for him that I think his days are numbered if there is any legal platfom to get rid of him on.

It will be open season on him if he loses the presidency.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
4. Being in Texas
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jan 2016

I can say that he snuck under the radar. 2014 is one of if not the worst turn outs for voting I've ever seen. it's more of a function of the TX Democrstuc Party getting my it's act together which affects how long Cruz is in office. Democrats have been lost in the wilderness in TX since Ann Richards lost reelection.

He's up for reelection in 20, a presidential year.

Maeve

(43,346 posts)
6. Why in the world would you compare that scuzz to Kennedy?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

He's not liked, he's not doing anything of substance, he has no family connections or depth of support...he's a nasty flavor-of-the-year and makes no friends wherever he goes. Like Kennedy, only the opposite.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Oh, a conservative 1st term nut vs. the only son of Ambassador Kennedy to make it to old age.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jan 2016

Doesn't exactly conjure up all sorts of similarities for me, especially the dedication to using public service to advance the cause of democracy, but hey! Thanks! I'm always interested in learning.

Welcome to DU, 403Forbidden!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. I remember Nixon OK'd assigning a murderous Secret Service agent to protect Ted Kennedy.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jan 2016

President Tricky Dick Nixon approved hiring a Secret Service man who said he'd 'kill on command' to guard Ted Kennedy. You can hear Nixon and Haldeman discuss it, about 40 minutes into the HBO documentary "Nixon by Nixon." While I had read the part of the transcript available years ago, and wrote about it on DU, almost no one I know has heard anything about it.



Ted Kennedy survived Richard Nixon's Plots

By Don Fulsom

In September 1972, Nixon’s continued political fear, personal loathing, and jealously of Kennedy led him to plant a spy in Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

The mole Nixon selected for the Kennedy camp was already being groomed. He was a former agent from his Nixon’s vice presidential detail, Robert Newbrand—a man so loyal he once pledged he would do anything—even kill—for Nixon.

The President was most interested in learning about the Sen. Kennedy’s sex life. He wanted, more than anything, stated Haldeman in The Ends of Power, to “catch (Kennedy) in the sack with one of his babes.”

In a recently transcribed tape of a September 8, 1972 talk among the President and aides Bob Haldeman and Alexander Butterfield, Nixon asks whether Secret Service chief James Rowley would appoint Newbrand to head Kennedy’s detail:

Haldeman: He's to assign Newbrand.

President Nixon: Does he understand that he's to do that?

Butterfield: He's effectively already done it. And we have a full force assigned, 40 men.

Haldeman: I told them to put a big detail on him (unclear).

President Nixon: A big detail is correct. One that can cover him around the clock, every place he goes. (Laughter obscures mixed voices.)

President Nixon: Right. No, that's really true. He has got to have the same coverage that we give the others, because we're concerned about security and we will not assume the responsibility unless we're with him all the time.

Haldeman: And Amanda Burden (one of Kennedy’s alleged girlfriends) can't be trusted. (Unclear.) You never know what she might do. (Unclear.)

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

President Nixon: The thing that I (unclear) is this: We just might get lucky and catch this son-of-a-bitch and ruin him for '76.

Haldeman: That's right.

President Nixon: He doesn't know what he's really getting into. We're going to cover him, and we are not going to take "no" for an answer. He can't say "no." The Kennedys are arrogant as hell with these Secret Service. He says, "Fine," and (Newbrand) should pick the detail, too.


Toward the end of this conversation, Nixon exclaims that Newbrand’s spying “(is) going to be fun,” and Haldeman responds: “Newbrand will just love it.”

Nixon also had a surveillance tip for Haldeman for his spy-to-be: “I want you to tell Newbrand if you will that (unclear) because he's a Catholic, sort of play it, he was for Jack Kennedy all the time. Play up to Kennedy, that "I'm a great admirer of Jack Kennedy." He's a member of the Holy Name Society. He wears a St. Christopher (unclear).” Haldeman laughs heartily at the President’s curious advice.

Despite the enthusiasm of Nixon and Haldeman, Newbrand apparently never produced anything of great value. When this particular round of Nixon’s spying on Kennedy was uncovered in 1997, The Washington Post quoted Butterfield as saying periodic reports on Kennedy's activities were delivered to Haldeman, but that Butterfield did not think any potentially damaging information was ever dug up.

SOURCE:

http://surftofind.com/tedkennedy



Why does that matter? The Warren Commission, and the nation's mass media, never heard about the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro until the Church Committee in 1975. You'd think that would be a matter of concern to all Americans, especially considering how then-vice president Nixon was head of the "White House Action Team" that contacted the Mafia for murder.

Jarqui

(10,859 posts)
11. The demographics in Texas are changing as the Latino
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jan 2016

population in Texas grows.

Cruz opposes comprehensive immigration reform

I don't see Ted and his policy preferences surviving that.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
14. Nope.. He will not run again..Perhaps governor of Texas
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jan 2016

is a better fit for him..Not much actual work, but his wife can go back to her big-bucks job & he can stay where they like him (sort of)..

He will probably run again for president, but it would be as a former governor

Vinca

(53,548 posts)
15. Cruz can pretty much do whatever he feels like as long as the wife
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jan 2016

keeps raking in the Goldman Sachs bucks. Rich people need hobbies.

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