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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Clean Eating Delusion
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-clean-eating-delusion/"While some parts of the world are concerned with eating, because of food insecurity, the worried and well-fed well are increasingly obsessed with so-called clean eating.
This is nothing new, but like every cultural phenomenon, it seems, has increased partly due to the easy spread of misinformation over the internet. If you are anxious about your health, and who isnt to some degree, your anxiety is fed by a steady diet of pseudo-experts, con-artists, and internet personalities telling you about all the things you eat that adversely affect your health.
This phenomenon is increasingly being recognized as a health issue among experts. In 1996 Dr. Steven Bratman proposed a formal disorder he calls orthorexia nervosa. He writes:
For people with orthorexia, eating healthily has become an extreme, obsessive, psychologically limiting and sometimes physically dangerous disorder, related to but quite distinct from anorexia.
Essentially orthorexia is an unhealthy obsession with eating healthy. There are a lot of parallels with anorexia, which is an unhealthy obsession with weight control. As Bratman himself points out, and I want to emphasize there is a spectrum from a healthy concern with eating a healthful diet at one end to a harmful or even delusional obsession with a restrictive diet at the other. This is also not an attack on veganism or vegetarianism, which are a combination of health and ethical considerations.
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A good read, IMO.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)was mostly spread through the internet. it took washington years to act. I have a friend who dog died and had one of those treats every day. I do believe that was the problem, I stopped feeding my dog thost treats very early on before it could damage her, just by rumors.
On the other hand some people are hypochondriacs, before there was the internet there were libraries where they could look up what ever disease they thought they had. My ex was one
so, like with everything the internet is both good and bad.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)people are getting afraid of eating foods because of stuff said on the internet. I read about dog treats possibly killing dogs so stopped feeding it to my dog - i.e. altered the dog's diet to the better of course.
then I sort of sideways walked to hypochondriacs, because this fear of food is a lot like hypochOndria where you read something might kill you and you start avoiding it or think you are suffering from it, I think that this food fear is a subset of hypochondria. basically they are all fears and they are all health related.
as to the specific topic, like i said it doesn't surprise me and it is not limited to the internet, 40 years ago my mother in law went on the grape juice diet, the carrot diet and anything else she could find in this health magazine dedicated to weird food diets, they still sell it, I can't remember what it is called though.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The Internet does spread bad information faster, however. Of course, as you note, it can also spread good information faster.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Still leaking from Fukushima who knows where else.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Reactor Number 3 is still spewing.
That's quite the assumption about others. I don't think the OP has anything to do with Fukushima.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Your OP:

While it's not in your article or on television, the science shows plutonium from Fukushima has gone global:
[en] The Plutonium isotopes 239Pu (T1/2=2.4.104a), 240Pu (T1/2=6.5.103a) and 242Pu (T1/2=3.7.105a) are anthropogenic radionuclides emitted into the environment by nuclear activities. Pu is accumulated in the human body and hence, poses a considerable hazard to human health. Due to the long half-lives, these isotopes are present in the biosphere on large time scales and a build-up can be expected. Therefore it is important to study the contamination pathway of Pu into the drinking water. At the Maier-Leibnitz-Laboratory in Munich a method to detect long-lived Pu isotopes by Accelerator Mass Spectrometry (AMS) is being developed. AMS requires only few milligrams of sample material, which is a substantial advantage over decay counting techniques. Consequently, more samples from different locations can be taken which is essential when searching for locally increased Pu concentrations as in the Pacific Ocean after the Fukushima accident in March 2011. Samples from different locations in the Pacific Ocean and from the snow-hydrosphere are planned to be investigated by AMS. The principle detection method using AMS and an overview of the status of the project is presented.
https://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:45097951
What everyone needs know from DOE:
DOE-STD-1128-98
Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities
EXCERPT...
4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination
[font color="green"]There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many
potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire
to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) The one characteristic that many believe is
unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from
alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or
removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area. [/font color]
SOURCE (PDF file format): http://www.hss.doe.gov/nuclearsafety/techstds/docs/standard/DOE-STD-1128-2008.pdf
That means plutonium doesn't stay in one spot. It spreads through the air, water, and, evidently, harder forms of matter.
Some of it might get in people's food. And they wouldn't even know about it, because the subject is censored from the news.
Here's more science on the subject:
J Environ Radioact. 2011 Dec 27. (Epub ahead of print)
Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania: measurement and modelling approaches.
Lujanienė G, Byčenkienė S, Povinec PP, Gera M.
Source
Environmental Research Department, SRI Center for Physical Sciences and Technology, Savanoriu 231, 02300 Vilnius, Lithuania.
Abstract
Analyses of (131)I, (137)Cs and (134)Cs in airborne aerosols were carried out in daily samples in Vilnius, Lithuania after the Fukushima accident during the period of March-April, 2011. The activity concentrations of (131)I and (137)Cs ranged from 12 μBq/m(3) and 1.4 μBq/m(3) to 3700 μBq/m(3) and 1040 μBq/m(3), respectively. The activity concentration of (239,240)Pu in one aerosol sample collected from 23 March to 15 April, 2011 was found to be 44.5 nBq/m(3). The two maxima found in radionuclide concentrations were related to complicated long-range air mass transport from Japan across the Pacific, the North America and the Atlantic Ocean to Central Europe as indicated by modelling. HYSPLIT backward trajectories and meteorological data were applied for interpretation of activity variations of measured radionuclides observed at the site of investigation. (7)Be and (212)Pb activity concentrations and their ratios were used as tracers of vertical transport of air masses. Fukushima data were compared with the data obtained during the Chernobyl accident and in the post Chernobyl period. The activity concentrations of (131)I and (137)Cs were found to be by 4 orders of magnitude lower as compared to the Chernobyl accident. The activity ratio of (134)Cs/(137)Cs was around 1 with small variations only. The activity ratio of (238)Pu/(239,240)Pu in the aerosol sample was 1.2, indicating a presence of the spent fuel of different origin than that of the Chernobyl accident.
SOURCE: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22206700
And what a little bird told no one in particular...
Plutonium bioaccumulation in seabirds
Dagmara I. Strumińska-Parulska, Bogdan Skwarzec, Jacek Fabisiak
University of Gdańsk, Faculty of Chemistry, Analytics and Environmental Radiochemistry Chair, Sobieskiego 18, 80-952 Gdańsk, Poland
Received 7 April 2011. Revised 5 July 2011. Accepted 16 July 2011. Available online 23 August 2011.
The aim of the paper was plutonium (238Pu and 239+240Pu) determination in seabirds, permanently or temporarily living in northern Poland at the Baltic Sea coast. Together 11 marine birds species were examined: 3 species permanently residing in the southern Baltic, 4 species of wintering birds and 3 species of migrating birds. The obtained results indicated plutonium is non-uniformly distributed in organs and tissues of analyzed seabirds. The highest plutonium content was found in the digestion organs and feathers, the smallest in skin and muscles. The plutonium concentration was lower in analyzed species which feed on fish and much higher in herbivorous species. The main source of plutonium in analyzed marine birds was global atmospheric fallout.
Highlights
► We determined 239+240Pu in seabirds living in northern Poland at the Baltic Sea. ► We noticed plutonium was non-uniformly distributed in organs and tissues of seabirds. ► We found the highest plutonium content in the digestion organs and feathers. ► We found Pu content was lower in birds feeding on fish and higher in herbivorous.
SOURCE: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0265931X11001676
So, the plutonium must be from Chernobyl, seeing how Lithuania's clear on the other side of the world from Fukushima.
Anyone remember reading about any of this in their local newspaper? How about the tee vee? Anyone? Anyone?
Which leaves DU as about the only place this is getting reported, thanks in great measure to you.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Sources from Octafish:
International Atomic Energy Agency
US Department of Energy (PDF)
US National Institutes of Health
Science Direct
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)How do you fail to understand that?
Now, it's time to move to an OP that you want to discuss. You clearly have nothing to say in response to this OP.
Again.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I have met people who have this disorder. They are not concerned about healthy food due to plutonium, but will not mix carrots, with oh broccoli becuase it is not healthy. They do things like limit all their intake to just apples to cleanse their body. Things like this.
Most are thin as rails and are confused with anorexics as well.
Their issues have not one bit to do wth fuku. Hell, that reactor is the last thing in their minds. They are far more concerned with the local use of cow manure.
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)So please don't discount the potential for unintentional humor.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Show where I'm wrong in writing about those or any topic, Major Nikon. I'll admit the mistake. Seeing how you never do, that shows the problem's with you.
Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)I was defending your posts, not attacking them.
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)You've been shown multiple times that you've been wrong on these topics. You have (to my count) never admitted your mistakes.
My favorites on this thread are you analysis of whether or not particular plutonium readings came from Fukushima - when the data predates Fukushima (more time-traveling radiation I suppose)... your claim that another article demonstrates that Fukushima plutonium is all around the world (when it says no such thing)... and my ongoing favorite - your continued forgetfulness that 99+% of the plutonium detected around the world predates both Fukushima and Chernobyl (yet every reading for plutonium you find reported must come from one of those two).
Orrex
(67,111 posts)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's right there at Science Based Medicine:
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ann-coulter-says-radiation-is-good-for-you-2/
Orrex
(67,111 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)For instance:
TEPCO: Plutonium is not dangerous. Where's the Boss?
Maybe you don't like attention, but I don't recall reading anything added by you on the subject, anigbrowl.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Not playing.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Where did I make it about me? Where do I derail other people's conversations? Show where.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)This is approximately equivalent to someone popping into one of your threads to assert the belief that being saved by Jesus takes priority over whatever you had intended to discuss, and then responding to pushback with things like 'But I'm trying to help you!' or posting ever more patronizing Bible quotes.
It's extremely obnoxious and passive-aggressive behavior, though I have no expectations of you changing it any time soon.
Inb4 'You know what else is extremely obnoxious? INVADING IRAQ' or some similar shibboleth.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I remember when you gave it to seemslikeadream.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3478797
I'll try to heed your warnings not.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)So you had to go back to an 8 year old thread to find an example of me politely and patiently expressing skepticism and articulating the value of the scientific method, as if this is supposed to make me look bad.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It may make it easier to find examples of your wisdom.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)At least until I pop my clogs, so you'd better enjoy it while yous till can.
flamingdem
(40,891 posts)what can we do in California other than wash our veggies well?
I don't eat fish from the Pacific anymore though.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As Flint and Fukushima show: the government and news media are failing at protecting the public.
We in Michigan are so overwhelmed by lead, listeria, botulism, Legionnaire's, etc. that most people don't even remember Fukushima.
I've searched the DOE and online: There is little to go on other than wash off the produce best we can. There is no way to keep fall-out off.
Organizations and the public depend on the latest science. For some reason, very little science for the public interest has been devoted to Fukushima.
Helen Caldicott warns us the disaster continues:
http://www.helencaldicott.com/fukushima-disaster-will-never-end-dr-caldicott-warns/
Thank goodness for the individuals and organizations who share what is known.
http://www.nirs.org/
They also have an excellent resource on Fukushima:
http://www.nirs.org/fukushima/crisis.htm

Renew Deal
(85,148 posts)Healthy eating or plutonium
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... my suspicions.
While, I acknowledge I certainly need to improve my eating habits (said as I eat a large chili from Wendy's fast food) .... I agree that so many of these "diet" schemes are put out by hucksters that do not understand diet and nutrition (the "raw" food or paleo type diet have caused health problems and nutrient deficiencies in my office mate)
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's amazing to see how many people get sucked in by such things on social media.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)their "logic" for lack of a better term.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Show where I'm wrong. I'll apologize.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)did you know Chernobyl is also still leaking and both will probably continue to do so for decades in the future? Why did you bring that up? This thread is about an eating disorder.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I wanted to remind DUers and other readers that Fukushina may be out of the news, but its dangers remain. Meaning, radiation continues to spread around the planet and food chain.
Jeff St.Clair does a nice summation:
Fukushima Mon Amour
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/22/fukushima-mon-amour-2/
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)fear mongering I've ever heard. Seriously, I know you lap this shit up like the credulous person you are, you definitely need to learn some critical thinking skills.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Really: I hope you don't ingest anything your stomach or your mind can't handle.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,207 posts)The OP is not about radioactive contamination at all. If you read it, you'll see it's about people who are obsessed with different forms of food, such as avoiding gluten when they have no actual gluten sensitivity or allergy. Or insisting that all food should be eaten raw.
If there had been a significant contamination of food by plutonium from Fukushima around the world (and none of your links say there has been; some, but not many, of them say there have been some measurable amounts, but not in all cases), then all the food, whether raw, containing gluten or not, and so on, would be affected.
So, you see, your own obsession with Fukushima plutonium has nothing to do with the 'orthorexia' in the OP. I'm sure you'll want to follow this up with an apology for hijacking the thread.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for Fukushima or food phobias or any fucking thing else, I don't tell you what to post.
You don't tell me what to post.
That's democratic.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,207 posts)So we have done as you asked, and shown you where you are wrong. We're now waiting for your apology.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)First it was: What connection? So I showed the connection I saw.
Then it was: What you said is true, but this has nothing to do with that. So I explained why people should be aware of plutonium from Fukushima, even though television and the print media ignore the problem, or somebody on DU writes, "Don't worry."
Finally, it's become: You should apologize for showing what you said, because it doesn't have to do with this.
Bottom line: I find it reprehensible I get attacked for pointing out the continuing threat to food safety from Fukushima, because plutonium is a real problem people need to be aware of.
Call me an attention whore for caring. I won't apologize for that, either.
flamingdem
(40,891 posts)One spends hundreds a week on cold pressed juices. Good luck with the idea they don't come with a mini load of pesticides. The body doesn't need that much!
Also, obsessing over drinking water is common and a gallon a day will harm the kidneys eventually.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 22, 2016, 04:43 PM - Edit history (1)
really sick. They go along for a while and feel good but then something goes wrong. Not sure why it would as long as you are careful to eat all your necessary nutients.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)JI7
(93,615 posts)and instead not eat anything .
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... if it's not organic. Sometimes, it is, but, most often it's not, any more. Partly because of that experience.
WTF?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)They are distracted by inane puritanical lifestylism while looking down on us uncultured peons.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)This stuff is bipartisan, all too often.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)So many of these people claim to be "progressives", but in their mind that just means that they support gay marriage, legal weed, engage is pseudo-environmentalist idiocy, and buy "organic" and "fair trade" products. They are completely out of touch with the reality of the majority of people.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You comment makes me ponder my own history.
I can't consider myself working class, but I certainly grew up in a working class family. I spent plenty of time digging ditches, hauling block, and framing with my dad. I admit to getting caught up in the nonsense when we moved to Portland, OR almost 24 years ago. We were not "middle class" at the time, as the recession was going on, and we made very little, but that didn't stop us and our peers from spending what we had at the co-op, and being easily fooled by flighty chicanery.
Interestingly, it was only once we made it through grad school, and started making more money than we deserve that I figured out that it was all silliness, partly because I could see how easily the people around us were engorged by marketing hyperbole at Whole Foods, New Seasons, and those dang co-ops.
Much like you said, I'm not really comfortable around those folks, at least when they're on those topics. I'm lucky to have married a down-to-earth spouse who makes sure that we're focused on time with each other, and not "stuff." And I've learned to love time working with my dad, when he visits over the summer. The guy's a consummate craftsman, and, I wish I was, too. I won't ever be there, but I'll keep digging the ditches. He taught me to work hard, no matter what.
Yeah, I'm spewing cliches right and left, and I probably sound like an idiot, and that's not far from the truth. Still, I appreciate the response. It made me think. Cheers!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)It's owned by a vocal Libertarian, anti-union asshole marketing overpriced consumerist shit to people who think it makes them so progressive and morally superior.
It is these people's air of moral superiority that I think offends me the most. I think a big reason a lot of blue collar folks here in "flyover country" vote GOP is that the Republicans have done a good job channeling this anger at the insufferable elitist pretentiousness of the urban middle class (this is what the GOP is referring to when they talk about "liberal elites"
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HuckleB
(35,773 posts)I boycott both Whole Paycheck and New Seasons (which is just a local version of it) because of that, and because of the less-than-honest marketing, and so much more.
(Admittedly, I did succumb and go to New Seasons to get trout last year, when I couldn't find it anywhere else. It's what my son and I grill when my wife is out of town, and, I still feel guilty.)
I think you're spot on regarding the basis for some political leanings, especially in families never exposed to unions.
EllieBC
(3,639 posts)As someone who in the not so distant past spent 2 hours getting home via bus and sky train after a 9 hour day for not a whole lot of money, the idea that I'm somehow not as good for not spending every penny and 2 hours cooking "clean meals" made me want to tell those folks to fuck off.
Scout
(8,625 posts)flamingdem
(40,891 posts)Lattes and the rest of it in large quantities!
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The OP is spot on to the T.
Warpy
(114,614 posts)when people insist on deficiency diets and talk about cleansing or purity or ethical eating or paleo (my current favorite--get back to me when you get your protein from termites and grubs). Eventually they'll crack and stuff everything they can find into their faces but until they do, they tend to be very unhealthy.
Our bodies have been designed to eat a wide variety of foods, all in moderation. Overdoing it on any one foodstuff will make you sick. Even water can kill you (see: water intoxication). A package of Twinkies once in a while won't. Just don't try to live on them.
Anyone who obsesses on food has a problem, unless that person is very, very hungry and needs fuel to live.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)However, it has nothing to do with not liking GMO or supporting organic food. I still eat non-organic, so by definition I'm not orthorexic. But I support local organic farmers by buying at local markets. The OP is trying to conflate having an opinion on what is likely to be healthy/or an opinion on big ag with obsessions over foods/body image. Totally different things. People with orthorexia use clean eating as an EXCUSE to support their eating disorder. But someone who supports clean eating or certain farming practices is not necessarily orthorexic.
Warpy
(114,614 posts)I've seen the difference between organically farmed soil and chemically farmed soil, even though there is no difference in the food produced by both.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Gluten free vegan pizza is the one that slays me. Stack as many sliced bell peppers as you want on the thing, man. Still tastes like ass.
I think the worst was an entire restaurant in the Garment district (around 8th and Brannan somewhere, near Zynga). All gluten free, organic, vegan, whatever. I got . . . something. I think it was a breakfast quesadilla. It was, of course, like $17 or something else suitably ridiculous. It was like stabbing at a block of burnt styrofoam with slices of avocado on top.
Newp. Newp newp newp. New age nonsense. But the food is made with love! And self-loathing.
These people are living, but not living.
milestogo
(23,082 posts)1. Choose whole, natural foods and seek to eliminate or minimize processed foods.
Processed foods are anything in a box, bag, can, or package, and although there are always a few exceptions to the rule (like a bag of fresh green beans), the majority of your foods should be fresh.
2. Choose unrefined over refined foods.
While it may not be possible all the times, you can up your intake of whole grains like brown rice, millet, amaranth, and quinoa. Beans and legumes are also important. Clean sugars include honey, maple syrup, and dehydrated sugar cane juice.
3. Include some protein, carbohydrate and fat at every meal.
Most of us typically do well with carbohydrates and fat, but we often lack protein, especially in the early part of the day, like at breakfast and lunch. Protein is an important muscle-builder, and it can also help curb your appetite. When eaten throughout the day, it keeps us feeling full longer. Be aware of the kinds of meals you put together and space out your protein.
4. Watch out for fat, salt, and sugar.
This is easier than you think, particularly if youve cut out processed foods, which are responsible for most of our excess calories and high levels of fat, sugar, and salt. Clean foods are usually naturally low in all of these ingredients.
5. Eat five to six small meals throughout the day.
This usually pans out into three main meals and two or three hefty snacks. Eating this way prevents you from skipping meals and overeating. It also keeps your blood sugar levels steady so energy doesnt lag.
6. Dont drink your calories.
High calorie drinks like specialty coffees and soft drinks, on average, tack on an extra 400 to 500 calories a day. Choose water first, or my personal favorite, unsweetened tea (any flavor). Other clean drinks: low-fat or skim milk and 100 percent fruit juice diluted with sparkling water.
7. Get moving.
Regular physical activity is a must for many reasons. Not only does it decrease fat, strengthen and build muscle, and help you burn more energy at rest, it keeps your heart, lungs, and bones healthy and strong.
http://www.cookinglight.com/eating-smart/smart-choices/clean-eating
This is delusional?! Sounds pretty sensible to my ears.
Maybe it would be delusional to Nestle or Pepsico or Kraft.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Except that you didn't actually respond to what the OP is about.
Come on. You can do better.
milestogo
(23,082 posts)Come on, snarky. I think you can handle it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The whole vomiting because someone else is vomiting thing is because we've always cared about clean eating. We didn't get to find out what was safe to eat, and what wasn't, by accident. It was trial and error and a good herbalist (or any gatherer) had to be trained, and learn to use their intuition, and use the senses of smell and taste. They needed to use the scientific method and experiment on how to make the iffy stuff safe.
Salt was worth big money because it can preserve food. Herbs like Basil and Cilantro were/are prized in part because they keep food from making you sick. Turmeric as well.
Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food, if I might coin a phrase.
lol
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Eating well can be good "preventive medicine," but I'll take medicine if I need it, too.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I talk to competitive bodybuilders at the gym I go to, they are often insistent on that.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)They're letting silly marketing con them.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)They buy apples, bags of oatmeal, pasta, and rice. Eggs, cottage cheese, nothing processed. That's what this younger generation of enthusiasts call eating clean. Hard to say anyone is conning them.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Please do. Then get back to me with a direct response to the full content of the article. I don't have time to waste on nebulous responses. Thank you.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Goodbye. You've wasted enough of my time.
Marr
(20,317 posts)in the article.
In those circles, "clean eating" tends to mean basically 'eat X amount of protein from lean meats, no simple carbs, only 'good' fats, no alcohol', etc., etc. And they may very well need such restrictions to reach their goals.
A fixation on organic or raw foods isn't generally part of it for that crowd, in my experience.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)They switch this for that, and they get better. That's an extreme example, but it does demonstrate the ability to sense what's wrong, and to intelligently find a better way of eating.
P.S. Do people who worry about heavy metals in their food count as being deluded? Lot of people worry about their fish having mercury, and if you shop at Amazon "Is it from China" is usually there as a frequently asked question about food supplements. Too much lead in many spots in China.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thus, making it harder to recognize. Of course, the fact that so many of us fail to recognize that correlation is not causation often makes it even more difficult.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I don't disagree that there's a point to the article from the OP, but let's come at it from a different angle.
Look at the diets of the wealthy who have access to clean eating, look at the diets of the poor with much less access. Obesity and high blood pressure (and diabetes) don't really go with the one, but they do go with the other.
Sure, people can and do take it to an extreme, but the title "The Clean Eating Delusion" is click bait imo.
Jack LaLanne didn't tug boats by his teeth till he was into his 90s while not eating clean.
In the modern style, he reduces his ideas into a 12-step program. Those steps, each the topic of a separate chapter, are:
Motivation
Stay Away From Killer Habits
Personal Care
Eating Clean
Maintain Perfect Posture
Stay Well Hydrated
Stretching
Find Some Energy
Be In A Solid Relationship
Work Out
Never Retire
Consume Plenty of Fruits and Vegetables.
Bold added by me.
http://www.amazon.com/Live-Young-Forever-Optimum-Longevity/dp/1552100642
The article linked in the OP would benefit from a different title, and not trying to be so confrontational. The food industry and those who want to cut back on supporting healthy meals in our schools voice similar sounding arguments. It's been a fight to get honest labeling on foods, and to raise awareness about lead in our food. Needless to say, people are more aware of lead in our water than ever before.
Avoiding toxins includes a large category of claims, but essentially misses the point that the dose makes the toxin. Sure, there are toxins everywhere substances that in high enough dose will cause adverse health effects. Water is a toxin if drunk in sufficient quantities. The important question is, what is the dose? It is easy to scare people, however, with the notion that there are toxins in their food or water, without putting that information into its proper context.
OK, but what about the very real other side of the coin? In order to be comprehensive, the article should go into that.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)We are now facing a marketing scam of immense proportions that convinces people to spend more money on food that is not better, more "clean," etc...
The article is not a book, so going back in history for other issues is not its point.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)We aren't where we are today because people formed their opinions while living in a vacuum. The article focuses too much on faddists, and ignore the real issues. I suspect the author is unaware of the underlying issues.
Eating raw is nothing but pure nonsense. Cooking changes food, mostly for the better, making certain nutrients more accessible and digestion easier. Some types of cooking, or overcooking, (such as boiling vegetables) can remove nutrients from certain foods, but it is not necessary to eat raw in order to get adequate nutrition (and of course, microwaves are no better or worse than any other source of heat).
Raw eating often involves pure pseudoscience, such as the claim that it is better to eat food that is alive, and cooking kills food. Stomach acids also kill food, by the way. Raw claims vary from the pseudoscientific to the mystical, with claims about the essence of food.
So milk that hasn't been heated to hell and gone has no benefit, nor does un-denatured whey protein. The Japanese are wasting their time with Miso, and so is all the world with their fermented vegetables.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The faddists are affecting everyone, now. They are even making it difficult to do the right thing environmentally. They are promoting more and more eating disorders.
BTW, the article's author understands the history beyond anything you can imagine, so it's time to move toward action in the now.
GoneOffShore
(18,020 posts)So true and I have several friends who are 'this close' to orthorexia.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Looked just like one at first.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)NRDC, sample: http://www.nrdc.org/food/safety-loophole-for-chemicals-in-food.asp (Last revised 5/12/2014)
PEW FOOD ADDITIVES PROJECT, sample:
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Food Additives Project
May 2, 2014
The nations food supply has changed dramatically since 1958 when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) established its program to regulate chemicals added to food. Over that time, Americans have significantly increased their consumption of processed foods, which often contain large amounts of chemical additives, yet concerns have been raised by industry and consumers alike that the FDAs regulatory science has not kept pace..
From 2010 to 2013, The Pew Charitable Trusts conducted a comprehensive assessment of the federal food additives regulatory program. Relying on a transparent process that engaged stakeholders, Pew examined food additive issues in partnership with the food industry, the public interest community, and the federal government, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, or FDA. We held five expert workshops and published six reports in peer-reviewed journals. This report summarizes our findings and provides recommendations to address the problems that we identified.
With more than 10,000 additives allowed in food, Pews research found that the FDA regulatory system is plagued with systemic problems, which prevent the agency from ensuring that their use is safe.http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/about/news-room/press-releases/2008/05/20/food-chemical-regulations-rely-heavily-on-industry-selfpolicing-and-lack-transparency
PRESS RELEASE
May 20, 2008
Food Additives Project
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WASHINGTON, D.C. Safety decisions concerning one-third of the more than 10,000 substances that may be added to human food were made by food manufacturers and a trade association without review by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), according to an analysis spearheaded by the Pew Health Group.
The report, published today in the peer-reviewed journal Comprehensive Reviews in Food Science and Food Safety, illustrates potential problems with the U.S. food additive regulatory program.
Congress established our food additive regulatory program more than 50 years ago, and it does not stand up well to scrutiny based on today's standards of science and public transparency, said Tom Neltner, Food Additives Project director in the Pew Health Group.
The research also found that the FDA developed an expedited process in the mid-1990's that essentially eliminated the opportunity for public involvement in decision making prior to FDA's safety determination. This shift doubled the rate of industry requests for FDA review. In contrast, standard operating procedure for other federal regulatory decisions regarding drug, workplace, and environmental safety requires public notice and an opportunity to comment.
While the shift to a new regulatory processone in which companies make safety decisions and ask FDA to confirm themhas sped up agency review, it has also bypassed the public, Neltner said. Subjecting safety decisions to comment from competitors, academic scientists, public interest groups, and the general public can result in stronger protections for consumers. In an age of growing demand for government transparency, there is virtually no meaningful opportunity for participation in decisions about large classes of substances added to the food supply.
When Congress passed the Food Additives Amendment of 1958, it created a structure that has limited the FDA's ability to effectively regulate substances added to food because the law:1. Allows manufacturers to determine that the use of an additive is generally recognized as safe (GRAS), and then use that substance without notifying the FDA. As a result, the agency is unaware of many substances that may be added to food and lacks the ability to ensure that safety decisions were properly made.
2. Does not require that manufacturers inform the FDA when health reports suggest new hazards associated with additives already used in food. Therefore, the agency has no access to unpublished reports and must expend limited resources sifting through published information to identify potential problems and set priorities.
In addition to the article examining the state of the food additive regulation, a piece in the same publication summarizes a workshop, co-sponsored by the Institute of Food Technologists and the journal Nature, examined how FDA evaluates the potential hazards posed by substances added to food. The two-day session, held in April 2011, brought together science and food policy experts from government, industry, academia, and public interest organizations. Issues discussed at the workshop and presented in the journal article include:- The need for clear procedures to develop validated toxicological tests and regularly revise guidance documents to reflect advances in science;
- Opportunities to improve academic research to make it more usable for regulatory decision making and enhance coordination between federal agencies; and
- Challenges to reassessing a chemical's safety after it is on the market.
Both journal articles appear in the November issue of Comprehensive Reviews in Food Science and Food Safety. They are the first in a series of the Pew Health Group's assessments of the scientific evidence and FDA's regulatory system, evaluating whether the agency ensures chemicals added to food are safe as required by law. Future articles will consider other aspects of the scientific analysis and the law, and will provide case studies of issues raised about the FDA's food additives program. The Pew Health Group will develop policy recommendations to reduce unnecessary and hidden risks that are informed by their evaluation.
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Marr
(20,317 posts)that it's generally used in the fitness industry, i.e., 'predominantly lean meat and vegetables'. I'm into that kind of eating myself, with maybe a weekly cheat meal or night out, and even that can seem pretty limiting to a lot of people. But 'clean eating' seems to be a much more nebulous phrase than I thought it was. Fixating on organic foods, raw foods, unprocessed foods, etc., etc... that could be incredibly confining.
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