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[guillaumeb]

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[randys1]

1. every day YOU and I allow ourselves to be ROBBED we deserve it...

The system of health insurer, RX and hospitals are robbing us to death.

Literally.

If we would DEMAND single payer like the REST OF THE WORLD, it would no longer be a political football.

[Drahthaardogs]

2. And those of us who work for large employers foot the bill for EVERYONE...

I have higher rates, higher co-pay, and my prescription plan is officially a joke.

[guillaumeb]

5. And the insurance companies laugh on the way to the bank.

As does Big Pharma.

[Doctor_J]

10. not for me

I work for a 300 person non profit. Co pays went from 500/yr to 8500/yr to 12000/yr over three years. Thanks Obama!

[guillaumeb]

11. Do not thank Obama. Your insurance company determines costs and benefits.

Thank the capitalist thieves who always put profit before people.

[Doctor_J]

13. The ACA guaranteed them billions in profits from wherever they can get them. Where do you think

that is? Billions in profits from the poor? Nope. take them from their rich friends? Who does that leave to steal from?

As for this

Thank the capitalist thieves who always put profit before people.

The president is not one of them???

The biggest legal transfer of wealth from the working class t othe owning class in history

[guillaumeb]

14. Agreed on all points. My point is that insurance companies, not the government,

determine networks, and what is covered, and for how much.

But yes, I agree that the ACA constitutes legal theft/transfer of wealth from poor to rich.

Remember that President Obama did mention that his policies could have been GOP policies in the Eisenhower era. The debate has shifted so far to the right since the 1970s that Eisenhower would have run as a Democrat today. And he would have been called a weak Democrat by the GOP.

[guillaumeb]

3. Very well put.

Robbery in the literal sense by overcharging for care, and robbing people of their lives through premature mortality.

What the apologists for the industry in both parties are really saying is that working Americans do not deserve better healthcare because providing that care would lessen industry profits.

[Odin2005]

4. This is the clusterfuck Hillary wants to "expand on".

[guillaumeb]

6. Yes.

By incremental expansion, and building on existing structures, the US will arrive at a single payer system in

2050 or so. After the waves have covered Washington D.C.

[bvar22]

7. Anybody paying attention saw this coming.

During the debates, Candidate Obama emphatically stated that a national Public Option was necessary to "keep them (Health Insurance) honest!!"
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and then ditched the Public Option as soon as he hit the Oval Office.

[Doctor_J]

9. Pelosi said today that democrats insist that for profit healthcare will stay

She took single payer and Medicare for all off of the table. So besides our costs going through the roof, a huge chunk of Sanders supporters will be uninterested in voting democratic.