Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:42 AM
All military-age males in a strike zone are combatants...
On Monday, the New York times reported that "Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=3&_r=2 Glenn Greenwald reports: "The media now knows that "militant" is a term of official propaganda, yet still use it for America's drone victims" http://www.salon.com/2012/06/02/deliberate_media_propaganda/singleton// Early this morning, the U.S. fired a missile from a drone in northwest Pakistan — its first since the NYT story – and killed two people. Here’s how The Washington Post is now touting the article about this attack on its online front page:
Readers who click on that story are greeted by an Associated Press story bearing this headline: 
There is, as usual, no indication that these media outlets have any idea whatsoever about who was killed in these strikes. All they know is that “officials” (whether American or Pakistani) told them that they were “militants,” so they blindly repeat that as fact. They “report” this not only without having the slightest idea whether it’s true, but worse, with the full knowledge that the word “militant” is being aggressively distorted by deceitful U.S. government propaganda that defines the term to mean: any “military-age males” whom we kill (the use of the phrase “suspected militants” in the body of the article suffers the same infirmity).
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 All military-age males in a strike zone are combatants... (Original post) |
Luminous Animal | Jun 2012 | OP |
| Vattel | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| Warren Stupidity | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
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| brewens | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| Luminous Animal | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
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| nadinbrzezinski | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
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| jmowreader | Jun 2012 | #107 | |
| coalition_unwilling | Jun 2012 | #89 | |
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| Egalitarian Thug | Jun 2012 | #41 | |
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| Occulus | Jun 2012 | #57 | |
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| Tierra_y_Libertad | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:21 PM
4. Just like that door gunner in "Full Metal Jacket". If the run they're V.C. If they
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:19 PM
9. Absolutely no evidence to support that claim. None.
Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #9)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:30 PM
12. "suspected terrorist"?
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Obama has been taking out AQ who are in the "number two," position. Watch this video from Colbert. Lesson here, is don't get promoted to the number two position.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/414703/may-31-2012/barack-obama-s-righteous-drone-strikes |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #28)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:44 PM
110. Yes
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We Americans are sooooo stupid.
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #12)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:35 PM
107. I wonder how many number two men AQ actually has
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #49)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:28 PM
95. the qaida are the red targets. associates are orange
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #13)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:40 PM
42. Yes, a hit wouldn't happen in a market, or wedding, or anything like that
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #13)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:27 PM
59. Hits have happened in shopping malls, or do brown women and children shoppers not count?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #59)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:38 PM
62. Well, they didn't respond to post 47,
Response to Occulus (Reply #62)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:48 PM
66. Lol, well anyone who decides to take the position they are taking here, considering how
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familiar we are with those positions from the years of Bush propaganda probably deserves some sympathy. It's a tough job, as Bush himself admitted, catapulting the propaganda, but there's always someone who thinks they have to do it!
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:38 PM
41. "So called civilians"? Really?
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Just
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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #41)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:32 PM
102. Um...EVERYONE is now a presumed Enemy Combatant until proved innocent
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:04 PM
76. You understand why guilt by association is...oh never min why bother reasoning
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #15)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:42 PM
17. Guilt by association rarely gets the right people
Response to Occulus (Reply #17)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:44 PM
19. It's different with those pesky brown people.
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Response to Zalatix (Reply #19)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:52 PM
23. This one pulled the same shit the last time this was posted.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #37)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:42 PM
98. Fight them over there? Fight whom?
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First you have to prove to me that there's anyone over there that we have to fight.
Of course that's now easy to prove since we've bombed so many people that they want payback!!!  |
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #21)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:47 PM
50. That line was tried before, back in 1946.
Response to NickB79 (Reply #50)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:03 PM
56. I have a feeling this one does not believe in the concept of war crimes
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #21)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:29 PM
61. That's what Bush said. I thought he was a liar. In fact, he was.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #15)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:49 PM
20. If your neighbor is a meth dealer,
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 03:53 PM
24. It's called the war on drugs by people who don't live under rocks.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #27)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:03 PM
31. Id one of your neighbors is dealing drugs, you are on them.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #34)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:32 PM
39. Yet both are guilt by association, which you mentioned in post 15.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #40)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:49 PM
51. It is if youre in your car and they have something in their pocket.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #53)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:01 PM
55. One of your neighbors, in your car, coming to or going from your street.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #58)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:42 PM
63. Lucky you 'I won't be getting shot on sight over some neighbor doing drugs'
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This unfortunate victim was not so lucky, one of many lost in the Great War on Drugs:
Jose Guerena Killed: Arizona Cops Shoot Former Marine In Botched Pot Raid 
Tragic, as are all killings of innocent people. On May 5 at around 9:30 a.m., several teams of Pima County, Ariz., police officers from at least four different police agencies armed with SWAT gear and an armored personnel carrier raided at least four homes as part of what at the time was described as an investigation into alleged marijuana trafficking. One of those homes belonged to 26-year-old Jose Guerena and his wife, Vanessa Guerena. The couple's 4-year-old son was also in the house at the time. Their 6-year-old son was at school.
Unless you subscribe to the fact that he was killed in a war, so it's collateral damage, or he shouldn't have been there in his own house minding his own business. It happens quite often to innocent people in the War on Drugs. So I wouldn't be so cavalier about it. I doubt the victim here ever thought it could happen to him, either. Cops lied of course, got caught in lies, etc. etc. The thing is, he's dead, his wife is a widow and his children are fatherless. Progressives believe that great care should be taken not to kill innocent civilians. Nor do they subscribe to 'guilt by association'. I believe that is against the law, to kill someone because they are near someone else with no other reason. Also it is illegal to falsely call men 'combatants' simply because of their age. And for good reason. |
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #67)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:04 PM
75. Having fun yet?
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I am, thanks for the opportunity btw, it's been a while since I had one like this.
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #75)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:06 PM
78. Yeah, I was a little bored today.
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I'm getting ready to back it down, as I had my fun. Peace.
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #78)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:07 PM
79. Oh come on, don't quit when you're losing, makes it too easy for the rest of us!
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Life Long Dem. Love your user name, btw
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #80)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:29 PM
83. Of course you don't! Lol!
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I'm not tired, I'm energized as a matter of fact. Educating people who are grossly misinformed is a patriotic duty which I've been doing for a long time. I find it exhilarating.
Better to sell facts, rather than that same old BS, it's a lot less tiring.  |
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #84)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:56 PM
86. Where have I heard that before? Lol!
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Here, since you're so exhausted, let me help:
This is YOU to ME: You: "Why don't you go sing Kumbaya with (insert terrorist name who we haven't killed twice or three times already), give him a hug and some understanding" Me: That might work better than killing women and children? You catch more flies with honey! I know you expected a lieberal like me to say that, admit it, didn't you?
You: If you had your way, terrorists would take away all of our freedoms. Thank gawwd we're not depending on people like you for our national security. Me: What freedoms? People like you have given away more of our freedoms than any terrorist could dream of I think I'll let you answer the last one, if you're not too tired that is! Then we can compare if I was right about your answer would be. I know, it's not fair, I've played this game so often I probably have an unfair advantage, and you're tired. But I'm not, so who cares? If you leave now, I win!
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #91)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:19 PM
92. When did we become the world's hired hit man?
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #94)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:57 PM
99. We are not killing people who are attacking us in Pakistan, Syria, or Yemen.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #94)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:14 PM
104. What utter nonsense, terrorists cannot declare war. It's been quite a failure hasn't
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #91)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:26 PM
93. They're killing children here in the US?
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #93)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:57 PM
100. Yeah, it's there problem not ours.
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Until we have another WTC disaster. 9/11 backs up my assertions just fine.
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #100)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:44 PM
103. Every country has that possibility, terrorism is as old as the human inhabited planet. So
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #91)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:38 PM
97. Will you quit with the 300 to 1 bullshit? You got that from some anonymous idiot on yahoo answers.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #63)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:52 PM
68. I think we are wasting our time, to be honest.
Response to Occulus (Reply #68)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:03 PM
73. True, but it is an opportunity to practice. You can get rusty
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after a while although the talking points never really change
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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #43)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:46 PM
48. Except that your plan turns us into the very ones we're fighting against
Response to Occulus (Reply #70)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:18 PM
101. At his presser, Teh Obama laid it out succinctly: Terrorism is like Cooties.
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #15)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:43 PM
47. Timothy McVey purchased fertilizer from a farm supply store
Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #74)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:13 PM
81. Yes, it is, which is why he said "arrest" and not "blow away".
Response to morningfog (Reply #54)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:06 PM
57. Terrorists strap bomb vests to children,
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therefore, all the dead children are terrorists.
I believe this one said exactly that on the previous thread on this topic... Sick.. just sick.... |
Response to morningfog (Reply #54)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:59 PM
72. Here, let me help. We know all the talking points, so here's the usual one for that
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question:
'It's their parents fault, they should not have had them there'. Just in case |
Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #26)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:01 PM
30. We should all remember, too, that if it weren't for the actions of one man...
Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #30)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:14 PM
35. "Thompson started receiving hate mail, death threats and mutilated animals on his doorstep."
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This is how we thank soldiers who stand up for what's right.
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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #30)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:06 PM
77. He was a true hero. Thanks for reminding us again, they are so rare.
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 04:10 PM
PufPuf23 (8,041 posts)
33. Where is Mullah Omar? We went to Afghanistan for OBL and Mullah Omar.
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 05:59 PM
71. Just shut up and support President Bush in what he has to do
